Guest NobbyOhNobby Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 We're a better side without him in it... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alberto2005 Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 We're a better side without him in it... Don't agree with that but when we don't have defensive cover he exposes us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydnNUFC Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 We're a better side without him in it... Disagree. Merino and Shelvey is our best partnership in the midfield 2 imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 Shouldn't be a guaranteed starter if we only play with 2 cm's. Sometimes we'll need the legs of Merino & Hayden. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 He can slow the game down, and he needs the right players around him, but he’s still a dangerous player. We don't need Hollywood passes right now, we need players who can do their job to stop the opposition. If he's doing that part right, then fine he can stay in the team, if he's not able to keep up with the pace of the game then he should be dropped. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
binnsy Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 We're a better side without him in it... Disagree. Merino and Shelvey is our best partnership in the midfield 2 imo. not sure i think we have looked a better team with Hayden & Merino in the middle. I will be quite happy to see those playing in the next couple of games, still not conviced Shelvey has the fitness levels to play 3 games in a week. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xLiaaamx Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 We've only played Shelvey and Merino once and they did well agaisnt Liverpool with Shelvey setting up the goal. Dropping him would be the wrong decision. The biggest lack of legs right now are Diame, Joselu and Ritchie. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 He can slow the game down, and he needs the right players around him, but he’s still a dangerous player. We don't need Hollywood passes right now, we need players who can do their job to stop the opposition. If he's doing that part right, then fine he can stay in the team, if he's not able to keep up with the pace of the game then he should be dropped. Like I said, he needs the right players around him. If you want a midfielder to stop the opposition, he’ll never be it. But he can do 50% of that job if he has a partner (or two) who are strong in that area. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 He can slow the game down, and he needs the right players around him, but he’s still a dangerous player. We don't need Hollywood passes right now, we need players who can do their job to stop the opposition. If he's doing that part right, then fine he can stay in the team, if he's not able to keep up with the pace of the game then he should be dropped. Actually we do need Hollywood passes. Our players arn’t creating anything, and I said to a fellow fan yesterday that he is the only player who you could say has any sort of creativity. Our wingers can’t produce a cross, an no one else can produce anything else. Merino breaks the ball up in midfield, Gayle gets on the end of passes, and Lascelles intercepts the ball at the back. That is all we have in our team and we rely on Shelvey producing one of his passes to open up the opposition. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 Getting found out at this level imo. He can be a good player in the right conditions but he's too limited physically and mentally to be a guaranteed starter for a PL team that wants to be halfway up the table. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
huss9 Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 the better the players around you, the better you look and the better you play. being surrounded by dross and a lack of movement really limits shelvey's game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infinitely Content Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 the better the players around you, the better you look and the better you play. being surrounded by dross and a lack of movement really limits shelvey's game. Agreed. He's one in our current squad who has it in him to raise his level, Lejuene definitely another. We need better players throughout the squad to see that happen though. Would definitely keep starting Shelvey, our best creative player by a distance - yes we need to work harder as a team but dropping Shelvey and losing his ability is suicidal for us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gottlob Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 Granted we had a run of opportune fixtures, but the statistics show 3 wins out of 5 when Shelvey was out or coming back from suspension, and 1 win out of 8 in those games he has started. I do think we relinquish the midfield too often when he is playing. He doesn't press or cover properly, and I think his creativity is overstated: his long passing game is excellent, but how often does he create clear chances, and how often do even his good balls get cut out or lead only to crosses which are also relatively easy to defend against? He doesn't have the pace or footwork to influence the game in the final third, it always has to be from a deep position, and that's a huge limitation no matter how many runners he has around him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohmelads Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 I think if you surround him with pace, he can be a very effective player. I get the criticism about his lack of energy, but Michael Carrick has been very effective in that role as a deep lying playmaker and he was always similarly slow. The problem is, Shelvey's in a team with almost no pace around him. When you've got people like Ritchie, Perez and Joselu, a lot of your better balls end up wasted. In fact, Murphy and Atsu are our only pacy attacking players, and I think they've never been in the same team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aiston Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 He's a Championship quality player with the odd 1 in 10 games where he excels himself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 Shelvey couldn’t lace Carrick’s boots. Carrick is quick minded both on and off the ball. Positionally excellent he covers for a defence without needing to charge around. Carrick is also better at quick short range passing into feet. He’s not constantly looking for a killer ball but fast, quick and forward balls. Shelvey is nowhere near his level. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 Carrick's better but he's an exceptional passer and has good positioning so it's not really damning on Shelvey. Shelvey is still relatively young as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 Watford pissed on our midfield, they had pace and we didn't. We can lump all the blame on Diame, but for me every central midfielder has to do the work, not just float some nice long passes which will probably be wasted by our strikers anyway. I don't mind the lack of pace as long as he's putting in a shift to match the opposition. I don't think he did that on Saturday. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_69 Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 He's a Championship quality player with the odd 1 in 10 games where he excels himself. What a load of shit! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willow Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 Wish he'd started tonight instead of Hayden Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 Game really suited him when he came on when we were just starting to dominate Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydnNUFC Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 Him and Merino together are our best midfield 2. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 Such a shame Yedlin was just off like, that pass was ridiculous. Clever ball to win the freekick for our 2nd too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 Shelvey suffers without Merino and Perez because he doesn't have options along the ground. Those passes he was trying at the weekend are just a waste of time against PL defences. Two of his passes today were world class, he just needs to be patient and wait for those opportunities. And we need to give him better options. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shakey jake Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 Him and Merino together are our best midfield 2. Yep, some lovely touches between them hell we were even good to watch for the last 15 mins or so Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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