NG32 Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 Its 2008 all over again. Ashley cannot deal with people. Such a raker cunt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 On 29/08/2017 at 05:15, STM said: I think Rafa gets on with Charnley, it's Ashley behind the scenes who seems to be the problem. Hopefully some good results and some much needed clear the air talks can commence, in order to turn the tide. I can't see how Rafa can trust Ashley again, which makes going into any transfer window very difficult but there's always hope. Rafa will know that Charnley is just Ashley's gimp though, getting on with him is meaningless when he has no power to authorise spending. It just means he might shake hands when he leaves at some point in the next 12 months. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 It doesn't make sense when the fat cunt said he feels sorry for dismissing Keegan but feel ok to dismiss Benitez. He doesn't have sense though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
manorpark Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 The ONLY definite thing to come out of all this sad episode, is that this is Rafa's last season with us. If he even stays the full season - though I think (and hope) that he will. He will not tolerate the level of weasel-words betrayal from Ashley again . . . would you? . . would anyone? SO, let us (try to) enjoy our last season with the great Rafa Benitez as OUR manager, something to (try to) be proud of and treasure, for the short period it will last. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 I shudder to think which desperate wanker will be wheeled through the door after rafa. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 On 29/08/2017 at 08:17, manorpark said: The ONLY definite thing to come out of all this sad episode, is that this is Rafa's last season with us. If he even stays the full season - though I think (and hope) that he will. He will not tolerate the level of weasel-words betrayal from Ashley again . . . would you? . . would anyone? SO, let us (try to) enjoy our last season with the great Rafa Benitez as OUR manager, something to (try to) be proud of and treasure, for the short period it will last. There is a slim chance that Rafa will stay - he can use the TV money next summer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmonkey Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 On 29/08/2017 at 08:27, Zero said: There is a slim chance that Rafa will stay - he can use the TV money next summer. That's the only hope we have. The hope that: - Ashley isn't sanctioning spending because the money hasn't come in yet. When the money does come in Rafa can use it as he sees fit. - Ashley doesn't want to sanction purchases using installment payments over X years because he views it as a risk should the signings fail. - The £80m spunked under McClaren, and other spending sprees here and there (including last summer with a fair chunk of money brought in through players sales spent on Championship players), is evidence that Ashley will release funds when it's available and needed (or if he's panicking). If he were truly trying to squeeze NUFC for all he can he could have spent alot less, like we did when we first went down in 2008. So there's some unpredictability and inconsistencies with the notion that Ashley is a nefarious owner, and is simply a badly advised idiot who lies whenever he's cornered. - Rafa's unhappiness leaked through the press / associates is just another bluff, another screw to turn the pressure on Ashley to eventually release money and accept Rafa's high ambitions for this club. If/when he gets the money to spend next season he'll be happy. This is all straw clutching at its finest though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 It's not straw clutching, it's fantasy. And that's with all due respect tmonkey. It's obvious what Ashley's game is and it's the same game he's been playing since KK. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
High Five o Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 On 29/08/2017 at 08:50, tmonkey said: Quote There is a slim chance that Rafa will stay - he can use the TV money next summer. That's the only hope we have. The hope that: - Ashley isn't sanctioning spending because the money hasn't come in yet. When the money does come in Rafa can use it as he sees fit. - Ashley doesn't want to sanction purchases using installment payments over X years because he views it as a risk should the signings fail. - The £80m spunked under McClaren, and other spending sprees here and there (including last summer with a fair chunk of money brought in through players sales spent on Championship players), is evidence that Ashley will release funds when it's available and needed (or if he's panicking). If he were truly trying to squeeze NUFC for all he can he could have spent alot less, like we did when we first went down in 2008. So there's some unpredictability and inconsistencies with the notion that Ashley is a nefarious owner, and is simply a badly advised idiot who lies whenever he's cornered. - Rafa's unhappiness leaked through the press / associates is just another bluff, another screw to turn the pressure on Ashley to eventually release money and accept Rafa's high ambitions for this club. If/when he gets the money to spend next season he'll be happy. This is all straw clutching at its finest though. At times straw clutching is all we have Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 On 29/08/2017 at 08:50, tmonkey said: Quote There is a slim chance that Rafa will stay - he can use the TV money next summer. That's the only hope we have. The hope that: - Ashley isn't sanctioning spending because the money hasn't come in yet. When the money does come in Rafa can use it as he sees fit. - Ashley doesn't want to sanction purchases using installment payments over X years because he views it as a risk should the signings fail. - The £80m spunked under McClaren, and other spending sprees here and there (including last summer with a fair chunk of money brought in through players sales spent on Championship players), is evidence that Ashley will release funds when it's available and needed (or if he's panicking). If he were truly trying to squeeze NUFC for all he can he could have spent alot less, like we did when we first went down in 2008. So there's some unpredictability and inconsistencies with the notion that Ashley is a nefarious owner, and is simply a badly advised idiot who lies whenever he's cornered. - Rafa's unhappiness leaked through the press / associates is just another bluff, another screw to turn the pressure on Ashley to eventually release money and accept Rafa's high ambitions for this club. If/when he gets the money to spend next season he'll be happy. This is all straw clutching at its finest though. Yup, basically it's that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 It's straw clutching but is definitely possible rather than impossible. I think that's why Rafa is likely to see out this season at least... if he was that annoyed with buying third-choice targets he would've resigned already IMO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 On 29/08/2017 at 09:06, Ian W said: It's straw clutching but is definitely possible rather than impossible. I think that's why Rafa is likely to see out this season at least... if he was that annoyed with buying third-choice targets he would've resigned already IMO. "Maybe Mike has changed this time" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
manorpark Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 On 29/08/2017 at 08:27, Zero said: Quote The ONLY definite thing to come out of all this sad episode, is that this is Rafa's last season with us. If he even stays the full season - though I think (and hope) that he will. He will not tolerate the level of weasel-words betrayal from Ashley again . . . would you? . . would anyone? SO, let us (try to) enjoy our last season with the great Rafa Benitez as OUR manager, something to (try to) be proud of and treasure, for the short period it will last. There is a slim chance that Rafa will stay - he can use the TV money next summer. A very slim chance, in fact (despite all the genuine 'straw-clutching hopes" expressed above) Ashley has insulted Rafa to such an extent, he will not stay. He will want to stay (for us, for the club) but he will leave at the end of this season. He now knows that Ashley is not trustworthy, and he now also knows (as we have for years) that Ashley will NEVER change . . . so there is no point in Rafa staying. Let us all just try to enjoy his last season with us, hopefully it will give us something (good) to look back on, in the long years to come . . . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 On 29/08/2017 at 09:18, Shearergol said: Quote It's straw clutching but is definitely possible rather than impossible. I think that's why Rafa is likely to see out this season at least... if he was that annoyed with buying third-choice targets he would've resigned already IMO. "Maybe Mike has changed this time" I don't think we're relying on Mike 'changing', just allowing slightly more expensive signings when the club has more money. Like I say, not likely but just-about possible. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmymag Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 Reasonable chance he'll sell us in the next 12 months. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robster Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 On 29/08/2017 at 10:32, jimmymag said: Reasonable chance he'll sell us in the next 12 months. It's nice to be optimistic but there is absolutely no chance Ashley will sell us within the next 12 months. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 On 29/08/2017 at 10:32, jimmymag said: Zero chance he'll sell us in the next 5 years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bimpy474 Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 No chance and zero chance of selling eh ? What a way to start this fine morning Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufcjb Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 I'm really not sure what Ashley gets from us. Obviously the Premier League TV money, but he could have found other ways to get money like. It is easy money but apart from that, all the trouble he gets himself into owning us is just ridiculous. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 On 29/08/2017 at 10:47, nufcjb said: I'm really not sure what Ashley gets from us. Obviously the Premier League TV money, but he could have found other ways to get money like. It is easy money but apart from that, all the trouble he gets himself into owning us is just ridiculous. SportsDirect is the clue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinho lad Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 People still hopeful that Ashley will eventually spend.... ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
manorpark Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 On 29/08/2017 at 11:07, Dinho lad said: People still hopeful that Ashley will eventually spend.... ? No, that ship has sailed (probably ten years ago). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 On 29/08/2017 at 10:32, jimmymag said: Reasonable chance he'll sell us in the next 12 months. If he wanted to sell us, he'd probably set a reasonable price, he hasn't done that in the past five years, what makes you think he's suddenly going to do it in the next twelve months? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timeEd32 Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 On 29/08/2017 at 12:02, TRon said: Quote Reasonable chance he'll sell us in the next 12 months. If he wanted to sell us, he'd probably set a reasonable price, he hasn't done that in the past five years, what makes you think he's suddenly going to do it in the next twelve months? The small hope I have of Ashley selling up has nothing to do with him being reasonable. It's all based on the fact that someone could see the upside in this club and won't blink at £400M+. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 Personally, I'm bored to the back teeth of this whole scenario. Cannot wait for the window to shut and our next game to just move on from this whole debacle. Rafa has enough in his locker to keep us afloat with the current squad I think. I don't see him walking mid-season either. The media kick up a stir regardless of whether they're piping off the fat cuntroller because we sell. People wanna know about us cause we're not a poxy little club. People just shouldn't entertain the permenant shit show in the media and focus on the positives for now I think. May be a little naive but fuck me we've waited some time for someone of this calibre to come here. I'm just a bit fed up with the constant shite Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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