mrmojorisin75 Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 god the big club discussion, will it ever die? big doesn't relate to things won imo, it relates purely to fanbase local and non-local Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 Fanbase is just an accident of geography and/or due to attracting glory hunters anyway. I don't see why it's taken so seriously. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 Fanbase is just an accident of geography and/or due to attracting glory hunters anyway. I don't see why it's taken so seriously. it's a major factor in a club being 'big' that's all i'm saying...look at monaco, won plenty of things and have/had rich owners but by no stretch of the imagination are they 'big' Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 Yeah I guess so, the problem I have is the value judgement attached to it. Fans go crazy about who had the biggest crowds or who has empty seats. If you have to judge who is big at all then I guess it's one way, I wouldn't bother with the debate at all TBH. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 I wouldn't bother with the debate at all TBH. me either but some fans have to find ways to prove how/why they're better than other fans/clubs i suppose must help them sleep at night Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgarve Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 It's embarresing claiming clubs are big just because of the fan base size and attendance on a Newcastle forum ffs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawK Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 I'm not embarrassed at all, it's a perfectly valid viewpoint. Are you denying that Newcastle United is arguably one of the top 10 'biggest' clubs in England? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgarve Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 Not really but you can't disregard winning trophys. Chelsea are arguably a bigger club than us now for that reason Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pons Alias Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 Being 'big' is meaningless. We're not a successful club - in that sense we're on a par with Huddersfield and Preston. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 It's embarresing claiming clubs are big just because of the fan base size and attendance on a Newcastle forum ffs A club is a place of membership/support hence NUFC are one of the biggest clubs in the world. The problem is people don't seem to have the intelligence to separate a big club and a successful club or rich club and just use the term big as all encompassing. As far as a successful club we are still in the top 10 of trophies won in England I'd reckon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 We are undoubtedly a big club, one of the biggest in the world. It doesn't really mean anything though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawK Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 Being 'big' is meaningless. We're not a successful club - in that sense we're on a par with Huddersfield and Preston. Well, on the first point it depends on the context. The perceived 'size' of the club arguably does increase the likelihood of getting bigger names, management or players, through the door, than a smaller club, all things being equal. For example, I doubt Rafa Benitez would have gone to a club like Crystal Palace for example, when Pardew was sacked. Also I believe there's a sense that the 'bigger' the club, the more likely that there is that success can be brought there. As to whether how true or not I'll leave to statisticians but I'll wager that there's not many clubs with gates of less than 15-20k winning things very often in comparison to those with gates regularly over 35k. You could argue that one causes the other, but here are we, and Leeds, and some other clubs that still get high gates despite limited or no success. Because the word 'big' is so vague, I think it really does come down to the context. When it's just lobbied around in the fashion of 'X are a big club', I always interpret that to be the size of the support, mostly locally within a country, and the average gates, but that's my own interpretation of the term. And yeah on success I don't disagree at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 Not really but you can't disregard winning trophys. Chelsea are arguably a bigger club than us now for that reason chelsea have grown as they've won trophies, i'm sure they could match our 50k no bother and more and have grown a following around the country and world over the last 10 years...it's the same point Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawK Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 Not really but you can't disregard winning trophys. Chelsea are arguably a bigger club than us now for that reason chelsea have grown as they've won trophies, i'm sure they could match our 50k no bother and more and have grown a following around the country and world over the last 10 years...it's the same point I'd agree that they'd easily fill a ground of 50k and then some, coupled with their recent successes, they are a bigger club than us. It's a bit of an argument around the intangibles but that's what a debate around the word 'big' becomes when it's used without delimiting context. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sempuki Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 Calum Chambers: http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/arsenals-calum-chambers-transfer-radars-10141399 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 Calum Chambers: http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/arsenals-calum-chambers-transfer-radars-10141399 Boro fans I know rave about him, very solid, gives little away and has a bit about him going forward.....and I guess young enough to improve under decent coaching. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted April 2, 2017 Share Posted April 2, 2017 Chambers Maguire Gibson Shaw in recent weeks, very good backline that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
54 Posted April 2, 2017 Share Posted April 2, 2017 Is Chambers a LB or RB? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sempuki Posted April 2, 2017 Share Posted April 2, 2017 Harold Maguire: http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/newcastle-united-boss-rafa-benitez-12826039 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest palnese Posted April 2, 2017 Share Posted April 2, 2017 Is Chambers a LB or RB? CB Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted April 2, 2017 Share Posted April 2, 2017 Is Chambers a LB or RB? RB/CB Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sempuki Posted April 2, 2017 Share Posted April 2, 2017 Bright Samuel (cracking name) from Blackpool: https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/3233374/swansea-city-boss-paul-clement-eyeing-up-a-summer-swoop-for-psv-star-santiago-arias/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted April 2, 2017 Share Posted April 2, 2017 I trust Rafa 100% but i'd much prefer if we bought an experienced centre half this summer rather than these less experienced players we've been linked with. I hope this isn't a compromise between Carr and Rafa. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted April 2, 2017 Share Posted April 2, 2017 Harold Maguire: http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/newcastle-united-boss-rafa-benitez-12826039 Harry Maguire sounds like he should have played for Burnleys 1914 FA Cup winning team. Oldest sounding player in the world. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Parka Posted April 2, 2017 Share Posted April 2, 2017 Really like Maguire, strong old fashioned cb , good in the air. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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