themanupstairs Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 I really don't, I want him replaced ideally, just not with s*** defenders who'll take us back to the days when our full backs regularly played like they had money on the opposition to win by three goal margins. And Dummett doesn't play like that in the PL? Just because he can put in a tackle or two doesn't make him a good full-back. He's f***ing s*** unless he's playing at CB where it's easier for him to hide his positional limitations. He's absolutely not s*** like - have a look at our record with and without him in the Premier last time - if he hadn't got injured we would probably have stayed up. Paul Dummett, single-handedly keeping NUFC in the PL. Ok now I've heard everything Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 I really don't, I want him replaced ideally, just not with s*** defenders who'll take us back to the days when our full backs regularly played like they had money on the opposition to win by three goal margins. And Dummett doesn't play like that in the PL? Just because he can put in a tackle or two doesn't make him a good full-back. He's fucking shit unless he's playing at CB where it's easier for him to hide his positional limitations. He's absolutely not shit like - have a look at our record with and without him in the Premier last time - if he hadn't got injured we would probably have stayed up. Getting in early for the forum awards I see. Wow. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 We were what, 2 points away from staying up? We were obviously better with than without him as the result markedly show when he returned for the final 6 games. He's not saying he would've done it all by himself, obviously. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 Cannot see what Varadi has said wrong there like, we were playing Colback at LB iirc. When Dummett returned for the final 6 we never lost a game. It's obviously not solely down to Dummett (he never said it was) but it isn't a huge stretch to suggest we could have picked up 3 points with an actual LB and Anita out of midfield. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 Actually I think Anita might have played at LB against Norwich in on of the worst displays I've ever seen, absolutely annihilated by Jarvis. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 Exactly. As usual you can't say anything vaguely positive about the lad without inferring he's something he's clearly not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 Other people think he's been thoroughly shit at left back in the PL, myself included. Is it really that big a deal? We all know that if everyone started rating him, say at centre back, that the clock would start ticking on when you'd start pointing out his deficiencies and telling people how thick they are for not wanting him dead. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themanupstairs Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 Actually I think Anita might have played at LB against Norwich in on of the worst displays I've ever seen, absolutely annihilated by Jarvis. And a couple of the goals were Janmaat's fault iirc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themanupstairs Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 Exactly. As usual you can't say anything vaguely positive about the lad without inferring he's something he's clearly not. Not at all. He certainly has some very positive attributes (unlike say Colback). They're just not best used at LB over an entire season. That's all. Personally I think he would make a good left-sided CB in a 3 at the back type deal, provided he has a very good LWB out wide. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varadi Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 Cannot see what Varadi has said wrong there like, we were playing Colback at LB iirc. When Dummett returned for the final 6 we never lost a game. It's obviously not solely down to Dummett (he never said it was) but it isn't a huge stretch to suggest we could have picked up 3 points with an actual LB and Anita out of midfield. I remember checking some stats on him when he was getting slated at the time - this is our record in the relegation season with and without Dummett in the team: 30 points from 23 games Dummett started, 1.30ppg 7 points from 15 he missed, 0.47ppg Obviously the relative quality of his replacements was a factor, but it's by no means a stretch to say had he stayed fit we would've got the extra couple of points needed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 Don't understand the animosity from certain people towards Dummett. He had a decent season and I've no real gripes with him continuing as first choice. Hopefully he'll keep improving and he certainly deserves until at least January imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 Don't understand the animosity from certain people towards Dummett. He had a decent season and I've no real gripes with him continuing as first choice. Hopefully he'll keep improving and he certainly deserves until at least January imo. I don't have any animosity towards him, I just remember how bad he is in the PL generally. Hopefully his improvement is permanent and can stand up to the increased demands of next season, but have to say I'm a bit worried. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xLiaaamx Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 All we need now is someone to claim he's still a youngster. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 Cannot see what Varadi has said wrong there like, we were playing Colback at LB iirc. When Dummett returned for the final 6 we never lost a game. It's obviously not solely down to Dummett (he never said it was) but it isn't a huge stretch to suggest we could have picked up 3 points with an actual LB and Anita out of midfield. I remember checking some stats on him when he was getting slated at the time - this is our record in the relegation season with and without Dummett in the team: 30 points from 23 games Dummett started, 1.30ppg 7 points from 15 he missed, 0.47ppg Obviously the relative quality of his replacements was a factor, but it's by no means a stretch to say had he stayed fit we would've got the extra couple of points needed. He played at centre back a lot that season. Again, it's mainly at left back in the Premier League that he's been shite. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 I'd be surprised if he's not a starter in the first game next season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 That's just not true Dummett has never played a lot at centre back for the first team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varadi Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 That's just not true Dummett has never played a lot at centre back for the first team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 Cannot see what Varadi has said wrong there like, we were playing Colback at LB iirc. When Dummett returned for the final 6 we never lost a game. It's obviously not solely down to Dummett (he never said it was) but it isn't a huge stretch to suggest we could have picked up 3 points with an actual LB and Anita out of midfield. I remember checking some stats on him when he was getting slated at the time - this is our record in the relegation season with and without Dummett in the team: 30 points from 23 games Dummett started, 1.30ppg 7 points from 15 he missed, 0.47ppg Obviously the relative quality of his replacements was a factor, but it's by no means a stretch to say had he stayed fit we would've got the extra couple of points needed. He played at centre back a lot that season. Again, it's mainly at left back in the Premier League that he's been shite. He played like three games at centre back in his entire time here and I don't even think it was that season Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leazes_End_Mag Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 Cannot see what Varadi has said wrong there like, we were playing Colback at LB iirc. When Dummett returned for the final 6 we never lost a game. It's obviously not solely down to Dummett (he never said it was) but it isn't a huge stretch to suggest we could have picked up 3 points with an actual LB and Anita out of midfield. I remember checking some stats on him when he was getting slated at the time - this is our record in the relegation season with and without Dummett in the team: 30 points from 23 games Dummett started, 1.30ppg 7 points from 15 he missed, 0.47ppg Obviously the relative quality of his replacements was a factor, but it's by no means a stretch to say had he stayed fit we would've got the extra couple of points needed. He played at centre back a lot that season. Again, it's mainly at left back in the Premier League that he's been s****. He definitely didn't mind. I'd go as far as to say he's probably played less than 5 games as a CB for us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 I just don't think I can take another season of receive the ball -> weird 7 year old style shuffle -> punt up the line Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odear Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 It's going forward that he struggles.. any full back in the PL has to be able to defend and contribute going forward. Good squad player to have though. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figures 1-0 Football Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 Those stats are fine, but you have to factor in that when Dummett was missing we didnt have any other LBs available so we shoehorned players like Colback into LB. It's like Darlow being injured and us having no other goalkeepers, so playing Gayle in goal and then comparing that we collect more points with Darlow. Dummett is a shit LB, Championship standard - but he's not the biggest priority in the summer. In an ideal world I'd replace him, but there are other areas that need looking at first. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sempuki Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 http://ghanasoccernet.com/exclusive-newcastle-united-juventus-likely-to-open-talks-for-afriyie-acquah A friend for Atsu? Can't see a paper link though so probably a load of tosh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 Those stats are fine, but you have to factor in that when Dummett was missing we didnt have any other LBs available so we shoehorned players like Colback into LB. It's like Darlow being injured and us having no other goalkeepers, so playing Gayle in goal and then comparing that we collect more points with Darlow. Dummett is a shit LB, Championship standard - but he's not the biggest priority in the summer. In an ideal world I'd replace him, but there are other areas that need looking at first. It's not like that at all Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figures 1-0 Football Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 Those stats are fine, but you have to factor in that when Dummett was missing we didnt have any other LBs available so we shoehorned players like Colback into LB. It's like Darlow being injured and us having no other goalkeepers, so playing Gayle in goal and then comparing that we collect more points with Darlow. Dummett is a s*** LB, Championship standard - but he's not the biggest priority in the summer. In an ideal world I'd replace him, but there are other areas that need looking at first. It's not like that at all Exaggerated point due to the important of each position, but it's the same situation. Players are good in the position that they play, put them somewhere where they dont play and you're bound to be a worse team. It's pointless then pointing that out as some sort of weird fact that Dummett is anything other than a shit footballer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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