Deuce Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 He wants to leave, we keep him for a year and get nothing or he leaves now for £6m? Don't really see what people are annoyed about in regards to us accepting the fee? Everton are a more stable club with more money, better prospects, an academy with a recent history of bringing through young players and mosh importantly of all, a manager who has a track record of giving youngsters a proper chance. I can't remember Rafa bringing through too many youngsters at other clubs in fairness but may be forgetting some obvious examples. The frustrating aspect of all this isn't the fact we're selling him, it's the fact our club is in the position where it's a no brainer for the player to leave. If Ashley ever needed a kick up the arse about how good facilities, coaches and academies are beneficial in the long run, this is it. Or how about we try to convince him staying at NUFC would be best for him? What suggests we haven't done that? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figures 1-0 Football Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 Then why are accepting the fee then and instead of going to tribunal? Most tribunal fees go up. Can add on additional clauses, you wont get that through the tribunal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 Because of his age, he is only on scholarship terms, rather than a professional contract with the Magpies. This means he is free to leave for a compensation fee, but more importantly, is free to talk with other clubs as he hasn’t signed professional terms at Newcastle. The Magpies have made Gibson a contract offer but he is free to leave for Everton, should he decide to. From the chron. Fair enough then. Still a shame that he apparently doesn't want to stay though, whatever the reason. Yeah, I'd be interested to see if it's just down to £££ or if its something else. Might have to do with NUFC and Everton's divergent outcomes when it comes to developing prospects, coupled with the fact that Everton are a better-run club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bimpy474 Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 Then why are accepting the fee then and instead of going to tribunal? Most tribunal fees go up, unless as usual we are bothered about taking the cash and then running. Maybe they weighed up the options and taking £6m is a better option than a tribunal where you could get less. There's no guarantee we could get more. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 He wants to leave, we keep him for a year and get nothing or he leaves now for £6m? Don't really see what people are annoyed about in regards to us accepting the fee? Everton are a more stable club with more money, better prospects, an academy with a recent history of bringing through young players and mosh importantly of all, a manager who has a track record of giving youngsters a proper chance. I can't remember Rafa bringing through too many youngsters at other clubs in fairness but may be forgetting some obvious examples. The frustrating aspect of all this isn't the fact we're selling him, it's the fact our club is in the position where it's a no brainer for the player to leave. If Ashley ever needed a kick up the arse about how good facilities, coaches and academies are beneficial in the long run, this is it. Or how about we try to convince him staying at NUFC would be best for him? Or maybe it will set the opposite example with potential school boys who see us as a club who will keep you regardless of your wishes and risk ruining your development - leading them to sign for the someone else from day one. I think that is complete utter shite. NUFC have invested thousands of pounds into him, if other graduates see that NUFC genuinely want their youngsters to succeed and go to the first team it will make them want to stay and try to make the grade into the first team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 His brother is also in the stiffs from the academy aged 20. Must've heard loads of great stories and recommendations about it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 It's brilliant how no one has a clue yet it's the same names siding with the club and the same ones criticising the club. Never change, N-O, never change. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 It might seem hysterical to make a big deal out of a bairn leaving but it's not something that should be apologised for. It's indicative of the sub-par manner in which large sections of the club are ran, particularly since Ashley arrived. Nothing like this should be tolerated or accepted until the club is fixed and functioning to the best of its potential. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 He wants to leave, we keep him for a year and get nothing or he leaves now for £6m? Don't really see what people are annoyed about in regards to us accepting the fee? Everton are a more stable club with more money, better prospects, an academy with a recent history of bringing through young players and mosh importantly of all, a manager who has a track record of giving youngsters a proper chance. I can't remember Rafa bringing through too many youngsters at other clubs in fairness but may be forgetting some obvious examples. The frustrating aspect of all this isn't the fact we're selling him, it's the fact our club is in the position where it's a no brainer for the player to leave. If Ashley ever needed a kick up the arse about how good facilities, coaches and academies are beneficial in the long run, this is it. Or how about we try to convince him staying at NUFC would be best for him? What suggests we haven't done that? Our history with academy players is absolutely horrendous. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 He wants to leave, we keep him for a year and get nothing or he leaves now for £6m? Don't really see what people are annoyed about in regards to us accepting the fee? Everton are a more stable club with more money, better prospects, an academy with a recent history of bringing through young players and mosh importantly of all, a manager who has a track record of giving youngsters a proper chance. I can't remember Rafa bringing through too many youngsters at other clubs in fairness but may be forgetting some obvious examples. The frustrating aspect of all this isn't the fact we're selling him, it's the fact our club is in the position where it's a no brainer for the player to leave. If Ashley ever needed a kick up the arse about how good facilities, coaches and academies are beneficial in the long run, this is it. Or how about we try to convince him staying at NUFC would be best for him? Or maybe it will set the opposite example with potential school boys who see us as a club who will keep you regardless of your wishes and risk ruining your development - leading them to sign for the someone else from day one. I think that is complete utter s****. NUFC have invested thousands of pounds into him, if other graduates see that NUFC genuinely want their youngsters to succeed and go to the first team it will make them want to stay and try to make the grade into the first team. It's gotta be a two way thing though. The player has to want to stay and I'm guessing at this age the player's parents have to also. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newcastle Fan Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 I would not hesitate to sell and unproven kid for 6 million, he might turn out to be good, he might turn out to be average but that's quite a decent fee for a kid who never touched the pitch at a senior level. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foluwashola Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 Because of his age, he is only on scholarship terms, rather than a professional contract with the Magpies. This means he is free to leave for a compensation fee, but more importantly, is free to talk with other clubs as he hasn’t signed professional terms at Newcastle. The Magpies have made Gibson a contract offer but he is free to leave for Everton, should he decide to. From the chron. Fair enough then. Still a shame that he apparently doesn't want to stay though, whatever the reason. Yeah, I'd be interested to see if it's just down to £££ or if its something else. Might have to do with NUFC and Everton's divergent outcomes when it comes to developing prospects, coupled with the fact that Everton are a better-run club. A small lashing of this with a major helping of a 16 year old with a snidey agent craving every possible penny. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odear Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 Maybe Rafa has run the rule over him and decided he's not as good as others are saying? Or it's simply a case of penny pinching and using the funds that will ensure we stay up. PL survival OR Uncertain survival and keeping a player who might become decent in a few years from now? Rafa has shown he can be a cold and calculating when it comes to the best scenario. If an extra 6 million that might pay a portion of a player who will keep us up, he'll do that. If we have a few years of solid finishes in the league we'll be in a different position then to what we are now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 It might seem hysterical to make a big deal out of a bairn leaving but it's not something that should be apologised for. It's indicative of the sub-par manner in which large sections of the club are ran, particularly since Ashley arrived. Nothing like this should be tolerated or accepted until the club is fixed and functioning to the best of its potential. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foluwashola Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 It might seem hysterical to make a big deal out of a bairn leaving but it's not something that should be apologised for. It's indicative of the sub-par manner in which large sections of the club are ran, particularly since Ashley arrived. Nothing like this should be tolerated or accepted until the club is fixed and functioning to the best of its potential. You're right, that does sound pretty hysterical. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 Then why are accepting the fee then and instead of going to tribunal? Most tribunal fees go up, unless as usual we are bothered about taking the cash and then running. Because we need to stay up this season and Rafa can probably use the money? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figures 1-0 Football Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 He wants to leave, we keep him for a year and get nothing or he leaves now for £6m? Don't really see what people are annoyed about in regards to us accepting the fee? Everton are a more stable club with more money, better prospects, an academy with a recent history of bringing through young players and mosh importantly of all, a manager who has a track record of giving youngsters a proper chance. I can't remember Rafa bringing through too many youngsters at other clubs in fairness but may be forgetting some obvious examples. The frustrating aspect of all this isn't the fact we're selling him, it's the fact our club is in the position where it's a no brainer for the player to leave. If Ashley ever needed a kick up the arse about how good facilities, coaches and academies are beneficial in the long run, this is it. Or how about we try to convince him staying at NUFC would be best for him? Or maybe it will set the opposite example with potential school boys who see us as a club who will keep you regardless of your wishes and risk ruining your development - leading them to sign for the someone else from day one. I think that is complete utter shite. NUFC have invested thousands of pounds into him, if other graduates see that NUFC genuinely want their youngsters to succeed and go to the first team it will make them want to stay and try to make the grade into the first team. I dont necessarily think what I said is what would happen, I was just pointing out that it's just as plausible as the rubbish you sprouted. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 We'll all be able to look back on this and laugh when he turns out to have the footballing fortitude of a hot fart. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JP Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 Maybe Rafa has run the rule over him and decided he's not as good as others are saying? Or it's simply a case of penny pinching and using the funds that will ensure we stay up. PL survival OR Uncertain survival and keeping a player who might become decent in a few years from now? Rafa has shown he can be a cold and calculating when it comes to the best scenario. If an extra 6 million that might pay a portion of a player who will keep us up, he'll do that. If we have a few years of solid finishes in the league we'll be in a different position then to what we are now. Exactly this. Hundreds of millions from Sky money at stake. Rafa will use every resource possible to him to ensure survival this season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 He wants to leave, we keep him for a year and get nothing or he leaves now for £6m? Don't really see what people are annoyed about in regards to us accepting the fee? Everton are a more stable club with more money, better prospects, an academy with a recent history of bringing through young players and mosh importantly of all, a manager who has a track record of giving youngsters a proper chance. I can't remember Rafa bringing through too many youngsters at other clubs in fairness but may be forgetting some obvious examples. The frustrating aspect of all this isn't the fact we're selling him, it's the fact our club is in the position where it's a no brainer for the player to leave. If Ashley ever needed a kick up the arse about how good facilities, coaches and academies are beneficial in the long run, this is it. Or how about we try to convince him staying at NUFC would be best for him? Or maybe it will set the opposite example with potential school boys who see us as a club who will keep you regardless of your wishes and risk ruining your development - leading them to sign for the someone else from day one. I think that is complete utter shite. NUFC have invested thousands of pounds into him, if other graduates see that NUFC genuinely want their youngsters to succeed and go to the first team it will make them want to stay and try to make the grade into the first team. I dont necessarily think what I said is what would happen, I was just pointing out that it's just as plausible as the rubbish you sprouted. Coming from yourself. You really are up your backside at times. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 I know it's not cut and dry, but I never thought I'd see the day when Newcastle fans would advocate our youngsters leaving, especially for such a measly sum. It should always be the desire of every Newcastle fan for the club to hang onto and develop talent, especially local talent. A major complaint over the years has been about us letting talent slip through our fingers. It's unforgivable that in my lifetime alone we didn't spot the talent, or let the talent slip away of Beardsley, Shearer and Carrick when they were kids. Now we have someone who must have a great deal of potential and people are advocating letting him go for a measly £6m. It's just really disappointing what we've become. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 The next Beaumont and that other kid. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 It might seem hysterical to make a big deal out of a bairn leaving but it's not something that should be apologised for. It's indicative of the sub-par manner in which large sections of the club are ran, particularly since Ashley arrived. Nothing like this should be tolerated or accepted until the club is fixed and functioning to the best of its potential. You're right, that does sound pretty hysterical. You always defend the club. Why? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarrenBartonCentrePartin Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 I know it's not cut and dry, but I never thought I'd see the day when Newcastle fans advocate our youngsters leaving, especially for such a measly sum. It should always be the desire of every Newcastle fan for the club to hang onto and develop talent, especially local talent. A major complaint over the years has been about us letting talent slip through our fingers. It's unforgivable that in my lifetime alone we didn't spot the talent, or let the talent slip away of Beardsley, Shearer and Carrick when they were kids. Now we have someone who must have a great deal of potential and people are advocating letting him go for a measly £6m. It's just really disappointing what we've become. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 Then why are accepting the fee then and instead of going to tribunal? Most tribunal fees go up, unless as usual we are bothered about taking the cash and then running. Because we need to stay up this season and Rafa can probably use the money? If we are desperate for £6m in todays climate, then we really have financial issues as a club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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