Tooj Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 Don't think Rafa would sign him if that were the case. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 Depor president apparently saying Perez wants to join them, but they can't afford him. I don't think he wants to come here (or to Fenerbahce), and that even if we were to sign him we may have a Thauvin situation in our hands. Thought every player wants to come here, it's just the board not willing to pay for them? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
louistoon Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 Everyone needs to cool it with the bubble talk. There's absolutely nothing to suggest there's a bubble about to burst and all signs point to this continuing for the foreseeable future. It's like everyone for the last few years saying "there's a tech bubble, this is not sustainable." Guess what? Facebook, Apple, Google, Amazon, Netflix, etc keep seeing their stock rise. The rich are getting richer all over and the Premier League is at the top. It has global appeal timed with a shift in viewing habits that made live sports incredibly valuable and they are going to ride that wave into the next one, which will be the aforementioned tech companies trying to eat into the media landscape. At some point the rights deals will level off or decline a bit. Or maybe there's a global recession or World War III and this comes to a crashing halt. But if Ashley is planning for that eventuality then we won't be a Premier League club when the time comes. I genuinely don't believe people actually think the bubble is going to burst if i'm honest, wanting it sure but believing it? nah, there's zero evidence to actually suggest it's going to do anything but grow. I'm pretty sure that Sky subscriptions are going down for a start. And how many pubs have closed down over the last 5-10 years? The net figure is 26-31 per week, and they are another major source of income for sky. Although as said it looks like for the forseable the foreign rights increases will be large Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timeEd32 Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 Everyone needs to cool it with the bubble talk. There's absolutely nothing to suggest there's a bubble about to burst and all signs point to this continuing for the foreseeable future. It's like everyone for the last few years saying "there's a tech bubble, this is not sustainable." Guess what? Facebook, Apple, Google, Amazon, Netflix, etc keep seeing their stock rise. The rich are getting richer all over and the Premier League is at the top. It has global appeal timed with a shift in viewing habits that made live sports incredibly valuable and they are going to ride that wave into the next one, which will be the aforementioned tech companies trying to eat into the media landscape. At some point the rights deals will level off or decline a bit. Or maybe there's a global recession or World War III and this comes to a crashing halt. But if Ashley is planning for that eventuality then we won't be a Premier League club when the time comes. I genuinely don't believe people actually think the bubble is going to burst if i'm honest, wanting it sure but believing it? nah, there's zero evidence to actually suggest it's going to do anything but grow. I'm pretty sure that Sky subscriptions are going down for a start. Aye and i have said this before but the reason the Premier League is so huge has nothing to with the English viewership, if it were then why does Italian and Spanish tv deals pale in comparison? It's because worldwide they are nothing compared to the Premier League, while the American,African, Asian and what not continues to grow it does not matter. It's incredibly short sighted to just look at what Sky and BT are doing, that's not the reason the league is so big even if they are the ones paying the big contracts atm. The current situation is exactly because of BT though. It's not at all short sighted, it's just acknowledging that that's the reason for the latest increment and if their increased spending and Sky's increased spending starts failing then it'll have repurcussions on the money involved in the Premier League. The bit in bold is what's short-sighted. As soon as Sky and/or BT determine it's not financially viable for them anymore there will be a host of offers coming in from all over the place. Also, overseas rights currently account for just about 1/3rd of the total payout. I would expect this share to continue to grow overall, but it's already more significant to clubs in the bottom half as overseas rights benefit all clubs equally whereas domestic rights disproportionately benefit those at the top because of the way it's distributed. For the top 6, the overseas money was less than 30% of their payment for last season (as low as 26% for Chelsea), but it was over 40% for those in the bottom 3. There have already been reports of some of the deals for the next cycle (2019-2022). NBC ponied up £1B for six years (which is double what they were paying in the last cycle). That plus new deals in China and part of Africa already have the next cycle at almost 50% of the current total. When all is said and done the next cycle will probably at least double the overseas rights, so this "bubble" has a ways to go. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chopey Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 I dont think its a case of the bubble bursting its more a case that multiple broadcasters will pick up future rights and the price will be to high for us to pay Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 Everyone needs to cool it with the bubble talk. There's absolutely nothing to suggest there's a bubble about to burst and all signs point to this continuing for the foreseeable future. It's like everyone for the last few years saying "there's a tech bubble, this is not sustainable." Guess what? Facebook, Apple, Google, Amazon, Netflix, etc keep seeing their stock rise. The rich are getting richer all over and the Premier League is at the top. It has global appeal timed with a shift in viewing habits that made live sports incredibly valuable and they are going to ride that wave into the next one, which will be the aforementioned tech companies trying to eat into the media landscape. At some point the rights deals will level off or decline a bit. Or maybe there's a global recession or World War III and this comes to a crashing halt. But if Ashley is planning for that eventuality then we won't be a Premier League club when the time comes. I genuinely don't believe people actually think the bubble is going to burst if i'm honest, wanting it sure but believing it? nah, there's zero evidence to actually suggest it's going to do anything but grow. I'm pretty sure that Sky subscriptions are going down for a start. Aye and i have said this before but the reason the Premier League is so huge has nothing to with the English viewership, if it were then why does Italian and Spanish tv deals pale in comparison? It's because worldwide they are nothing compared to the Premier League, while the American,African, Asian and what not continues to grow it does not matter. It's incredibly short sighted to just look at what Sky and BT are doing, that's not the reason the league is so big even if they are the ones paying the big contracts atm. The current situation is exactly because of BT though. It's not at all short sighted, it's just acknowledging that that's the reason for the latest increment and if their increased spending and Sky's increased spending starts failing then it'll have repurcussions on the money involved in the Premier League. The bit in bold is what's short-sighted. As soon as Sky and/or BT determine it's not financially viable for them anymore there will be a host of offers coming in from all over the place. Also, overseas rights currently account for just about 1/3rd of the total payout. I would expect this share to continue to grow overall, but it's already more significant to clubs in the bottom half as overseas rights benefit all clubs equally whereas domestic rights disproportionately benefit those at the top because of the way it's distributed. For the top 6, the overseas money was less than 30% of their payment for last season (as low as 26% for Chelsea), but it was over 40% for those in the bottom 3. There have already been reports of some of the deals for the next cycle (2019-2022). NBC ponied up £1B for six years (which is double what they were paying in the last cycle). That plus new deals in China and part of Africa already have the next cycle at almost 50% of the current total. When all is said and done the next cycle will probably at least double the overseas rights, so this "bubble" has a ways to go. Aye Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 I dont think we're even close to signing Perez. Rafa probably has mentioned it in public only to put pressure on the "board". Sign some f***ing c***s now!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 Fenerbahce in talks with Soldado. That's two of our main rivals now signed cheaper alternatives to Lucas Perez the last couple of days almost. We'll get him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odear Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 The whole thing is a bubble. From the TV revenue to transfer prices and wages. Ashley is also the ultimate shark when it comes to capitalising on bubbles bursting. He's treating this like any of those high street stores he gobbles up. The second these big spending clubs start to realise they can't afford what they've done this summer, he'll be there like a buzzard. I can't see it bursting though. Tv money is massive and super rich sugar daddy billionaires keep on spending. The bubble will only burst for those that get relegated if they've over spent and needed future Premier League money to cover current costs, and nobody will ever care about them when it bursts. Not for every club no, but there's definitely a few minnows who have been living beyond their means for a few seasons now. Everton are not a minnow but how deep do these pockets go of their new owners? The money they have spent on wages alone this window has been mental. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 I used to think the bubble would burst, but I'm not so sure now. TV revenue will only increase for the foreseeable as new media giants try to get in on the act. Amazon, Netflix, Google etc. Companies that don't operate on prodit margins, but market share and capitalisation of said markets. I can also see a time when the world's top elite clubs break away from their respective domestic leagues to create an elite world league which TV companies will no doubt pay even more ridiculous fees to broadcast. Clubs now hold the power over the likes of the FA, FIFA and UEFA. The Premier League is far more powerful than the archaic FA for example. The worry for me personally in relation to our own club is that football is now all about global audiences and bums on (stadia) seats are becoming less key to how a club operates in terms of revenue. TV revenue dwarfs ticket revenue massively. Going to the match is not so much about supporting your home town team these days either in the traditional tribal sporting sense, but more akin to going to the cinema or a day at the races - its an entertainment product/package. Win lose or draw. Its an ideal product for the global audience who have no real affiliation to a football club and therefore such an audience will be more likely to subscribe to paying to watch say Chelsea one season and then Man City the next or on individual match basis per any team. In short its not about the fans anymore, its about customers. Mike Ashley does not care if the season ticket holder is a Geordie or a 'tourist', and neither do the TV and media companies. They don't care about the season ticket holding supporter, they are eye candy for the world-wide viewer and the global audience. A backdrop if you like to the theater on screen. Already St. James' Park is full every week with thousands of people are are not fans in the strictest sense or the traditional sense, its full with people who go for entertainment purposes. And if they are fans in the traditional sense they are slowly being morphed via the corporate PL machine into customers. This is the same for almost every club in the PL and even lower down the leagues with some clubs. The Premier League clubs are at the forefront of other leagues' clubs due to the popularity of English football and that is helping drive the global interest in our clubs and the league. I predict certain clubs will do to the Premier League what certain clubs did to the old Football League unless the Premier League give them even more money which they will have to in order to keep them happy. But with giants like Netflix, Amazon, Google etc. I can see someone pushing the idea of a league for the elite clubs and could the PL compete with those? Sky already are losing their grip on English football and indeed the world game and there will come a time where they may be unable to compete full stop and let it all go. What does all of that mean to me as a Geordie Newcastle United supporter? Well, today, I've almost totally fallen out of love with my club and the game to the point I don't really care what happens, good or bad. I'm past that. If we could rewind back to the early 90s where it wasn't all about money, sign me up. Where it was about sporting success and supporting you home town team. Its not going to happen is it. Hopefully a big black hole will open up and swallow the whole thing. Neymar £200m +? Gray 18m? f***ing hell, its absurd. I hate Ashley, but truthfully if I was an owner, I wouldn't pay that kind of money for anyone, at both ends of the scale. And its looking like that will be the case under Ashley and as such I think if we are to even semi-compete its about time we invested everything into the academy to produce our own top-class players. Football is f***ed isn't it?! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianovthetoon Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 When Tinder are paying 12 million quid a year to have their logo on Man Uniteds sleeve and Western Union 5million for their logo on Liverpools sleeves it's totally fair to say football is screwed. Money has gone mad Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanji Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 Don't think Rafa would sign him if that were the case. This. Rafa wouldn't be talking about him so often if he was someone who didn't want to come here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 Where has all this stuff about us paying massive wages come from? I realise relatively they will be astronomical compared to your average man on the street, but I was under the impression that relative to other football clubs, we paid a more moderate sum and using the "shop window/stepping stone" argument to sign players? Massive wages compared to France, Holland, even Spain, which is where we're probably trying to offload to. A big team in the Championship could probably match some of the wages of the shitter players but guess they won't pay the transfer fees. Jack Colback gotta be on 30k+ a week. That's massive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alberto2005 Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 I scroll rapidly down the page trying to catch either some sort of link or a twitter caption, and for the past two days all I've seen is text Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUICE690 Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 I scroll rapidly down the page trying to catch either some sort of link or a twitter caption, and for the past two days all I've seen is text Yup. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 I scroll rapidly down the page trying to catch either some sort of link or a twitter caption, and for the past two days all I've seen is text and that was one oh htt's shorter efforts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 Four more. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy84 Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 Wish they'd just throw Rafa a f****** bone and sign a proper striker Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlies Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 Four more. ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 Four more. ? #wait Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alberto2005 Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toon25 Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 Give Rafa the cash for fucks sake. He knows how to spend it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
54 Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 Didnt Rich this morning say he was meeting Shearer and other such people earlier today. ITK imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timeEd32 Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 So Kenedy to provide competition at LB, across the midfield, and as a LWB option if we do try three at the back. A proper goalkeeper, a striker, and either a #10 or another CM and we'd be in decent shape all things considered. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 If we get any of those things I'd be surprised tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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