Dave Posted September 3, 2017 Share Posted September 3, 2017 It's ludicrous to believe despite slashing the wage bill that we needed 73 million (40 million transfer profits plus the 33 million "loan") to stay afloat last year, if every club needed that amount to survive when they go down, they would all be in administration surely, especially when we more or less filled out our stadium every game last season, no one else who gets relegated will come anywhere near our average attendance. Just tax fiddling and a way to say to everyone how much we our in debt to his benevolent leadership. Gates & matchday is about £25m The wage bill the year we went down was triple that. That can't even buy you Danny Drinkwater. Ticket income is becoming less and less important as the ridiculous TV money increases. What do you mean when you say "match day" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
henke Posted September 3, 2017 Share Posted September 3, 2017 Why bother with an agent if your a player? Surely if a club wants to sign you and they find out you have no agent, they would be happy to bump up your wages/signing on fee considering they won't be paying a ridiculous fee to an agent. Failing that just hire your dad/brother/best man to deal with all the phone calls and enquires about you. Hiring an agent and being under contract with him for the next 4 years with him stopping you joining other clubs because he's not getting what he wants?! Madness. I've said this for years. If i'm a professional footballer I can look round the dressing room at the other guys, I know what they earn and I know where I am in comparison. Why would I pay some cunt in a suit to negotiate for me? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted September 3, 2017 Share Posted September 3, 2017 Why bother with an agent if your a player? Surely if a club wants to sign you and they find out you have no agent, they would be happy to bump up your wages/signing on fee considering they won't be paying a ridiculous fee to an agent. Failing that just hire your dad/brother/best man to deal with all the phone calls and enquires about you. Hiring an agent and being under contract with him for the next 4 years with him stopping you joining other clubs because he's not getting what he wants?! Madness. Because footballers are generally thick as mince and the club lawyers would run rings around them. An agent will get you the best deal and knows the ins and outs of things like image rights. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
henke Posted September 3, 2017 Share Posted September 3, 2017 Why bother with an agent if your a player? Surely if a club wants to sign you and they find out you have no agent, they would be happy to bump up your wages/signing on fee considering they won't be paying a ridiculous fee to an agent. Failing that just hire your dad/brother/best man to deal with all the phone calls and enquires about you. Hiring an agent and being under contract with him for the next 4 years with him stopping you joining other clubs because he's not getting what he wants?! Madness. Because footballers are generally thick as mince and the club lawyers would run rings around them. An agent will get you the best deal and knows the ins and outs of things like image rights. Do Sheffield United players have image rights? Does Paul Dummet? The way I see it is a contract is X amount of cash for Y seasons, i'm capable of working out what i'm worth and I have the front to ask for a bit more. And even if I don't get it i'll still be better off cause i'm not paying the aforementioned cunt in the suit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karjala Posted September 3, 2017 Share Posted September 3, 2017 Yeah agreed. Really don't see why players need agents. Maybes, maybes the very top earning 'world superstars' but not 95% of the PL. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoveItIfWeBeatU Posted September 3, 2017 Share Posted September 3, 2017 Milner didn't have an agent (he may do now). He used the PFA back in 2005. http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/news-and-comment/trusting-their-own-how-pfa-offers-alternative-to-exorbitant-agents-317168.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted September 3, 2017 Share Posted September 3, 2017 Agents know the game and how things work better than any footballer. They look out for the players' interests and help to stop them getting screwed over by the huge corporations that football clubs are. They're more powerful than an individual player too, since an agency will usually represent loads of players. That in itself acts as a kind of collective unionisation that a player on their own wont have. Clubs won't want to piss off an agency if it'll impact them in the future when wanting to sign a different player, and in the same way being on positive terms with an agent can have benefits. They're not ideal, and it's clear that a significant number of them are dodgy as fuck. However if they weren't around you'd have players being exploited, particularly those that aren't playing at the top level and aren't on huge money. Necessary evil, probably. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ponsaelius Posted September 3, 2017 Share Posted September 3, 2017 Yeah agreed. Really don't see why players need agents. Maybes, maybes the very top earning 'world superstars' but not 95% of the PL. Disagree. If anything it's the 95% of footballers (so those below the PL) that need the agents more than the top players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMTEX Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 Agents know the game and how things work better than any footballer. They look out for the players' interests and help to stop them getting screwed over by the huge corporations that football clubs are. They're more powerful than an individual player too, since an agency will usually represent loads of players. That in itself acts as a kind of collective unionisation that a player on their own wont have. Clubs won't want to piss off an agency if it'll impact them in the future when wanting to sign a different player, and in the same way being on positive terms with an agent can have benefits. They're not ideal, and it's clear that a significant number of them are dodgy as fuck. However if they weren't around you'd have players being exploited, particularly those that aren't playing at the top level and aren't on huge money. Necessary evil, probably. They're a necessary evil unfortunately. Maybe in an ideal world some PFA appointed lawyer type could step in for this kind of stuff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
henke Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 Why bother with an agent if your a player? Surely if a club wants to sign you and they find out you have no agent, they would be happy to bump up your wages/signing on fee considering they won't be paying a ridiculous fee to an agent. Failing that just hire your dad/brother/best man to deal with all the phone calls and enquires about you. Hiring an agent and being under contract with him for the next 4 years with him stopping you joining other clubs because he's not getting what he wants?! Madness. Because footballers are generally thick as mince and the club lawyers would run rings around them. An agent will get you the best deal and knows the ins and outs of things like image rights. they are basically there to make sure players don't get screwed and to get them the best deal possible. Like them or not. So agents make sure their client doesn't get screwed by the club, by taking twenty percent of his contract and a one off fee every time he moves clubs. Seems perfectly reasonable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Village Idiot Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 Agents don't negotiate contracts, they hire lawyers to do that. Agents have an important task - they separate the business and sporting side of things for the player. A player can focus on training and playing while the agent will take care of all business relationship with the club - relationship that's very complex in modern football. This is a valuable and important task, but the problem is all the perverse incentives that have emerged for agents, like the bonus payments for engineering transfers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 Three Sky Bet Championship clubs were interested in signing Hull striker Abel Hernandez before he suffered a ruptured Achilles in August. His agent Pablo Bentancur told Italian outlet Tutto Mercato: “He had an important market, strong interest from Aston Villa and Birmingham, they wanted him at all costs, and there was also a chance to go to Newcastle. “It’s a bad thing, but football is the way it is. Abel has strength and is young, he will be back.” Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe_F Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 Pablo took monitoring for genuine interest. Bless. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sempuki Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 A newspaper in Turkey said we wanted Ryan Babel on deadline day. I thought he and Rafa had a bust up when at Liverpool? No doubt a pile of pap anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
High Five o Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 A newspaper in Turkey said we wanted Ryan Babel on deadline day. I thought he and Rafa had a bust up when at Liverpool? No doubt a pile of pap anyway. I am sure i read somewhere that this was just a twitter joke where some guys started a rumor and documenting how it took off or something. I might have been dreaming all that, as i can`t find it now Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 Sure he said something about turning Ronaldo into a great defender when he got the Real Madrid job or something. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mighty__mag Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 Find it hard to believe nobody has snapped up Sagna Even for 1 years wages he would be an upgrade on many of our players Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 Find it hard to believe nobody has snapped up Sagna Even for 1 years wages he would be an upgrade on many of our players Apparently he wants paid in sterling, which is outrageous because we like to pay in sports direct vouchers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
magorific Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 Why bother with an agent if your a player? Surely if a club wants to sign you and they find out you have no agent, they would be happy to bump up your wages/signing on fee considering they won't be paying a ridiculous fee to an agent. Failing that just hire your dad/brother/best man to deal with all the phone calls and enquires about you. Hiring an agent and being under contract with him for the next 4 years with him stopping you joining other clubs because he's not getting what he wants?! Madness. Because footballers are generally thick as mince and the club lawyers would run rings around them. An agent will get you the best deal and knows the ins and outs of things like image rights. they are basically there to make sure players don't get screwed and to get them the best deal possible. Like them or not. So agents make sure their client doesn't get screwed by the club, by taking twenty percent of his contract and a one off fee every time he moves clubs. Seems perfectly reasonable. The standard is around 10%, but i mean they have to get paid or the aren't going to do the job. They don't just turn up one day with a player and go, hey sign for this club, thanks for the 10% The standard isn't 10%. FIFA recommends 3% and most agents take about 5%. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hog Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 I guess two wins and Ashley has got a reprieve from this summer's piss take with the majority of fans, they're no longer foaming at the mouth as much as they were - best not rock the boat, support the team, etc. The international break came at the best time for Ashley, he's got more cake than Kiplings - I had a feeling something like this might happen though. I still think it will all fall apart at some point and we'll get relegated though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 That's the spirit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliottman Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 I guess two wins and Ashley has got a reprieve from this summer's p*ss take with the majority of fans, they're no longer foaming at the mouth as much as they were - best not rock the boat, support the team, etc. The international break came at the best time for Ashley, he's got more cake than Kiplings - I had a feeling something like this might happen though. I still think it will all fall apart at some point and we'll get relegated though That's the spirit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 That's the spirit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 Sake. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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