Ikon Posted August 2, 2017 Share Posted August 2, 2017 I wonder if one of the reasons we always have a hard time shifting players is the insane amout of "he's sh*t", "garbage", "worthless", "I'm gonna hang myself if he starts" etc. being thrown around Yeah buying clubs scout on twitter mostly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BottledDog Posted August 2, 2017 Share Posted August 2, 2017 I wonder if one of the reasons we always have a hard time shifting players is the insane amout of "he's sh*t", "garbage", "worthless", "I'm gonna hang myself if he starts" etc. being thrown around Riviere looked all but gone until his thread became awash with 'Ha ha, wot mugs' posts. Coincidence, or evidence of wilful jinxers and usurpers? We may never know. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted August 2, 2017 Share Posted August 2, 2017 Krul will undoubtedly end up on loan somewhere again. We won't sell Darlow unless we sign/have a keeper lined up. Some shite French side will take Saivet, but we will have to be prepared to cut out losses. Reckon we're up for taking a hit in these deals tbf, but like Haidara/Riv/Hanley, the players look less prepared to take the pay cut. Aye, we'll be subsiding wages. Suspect many of them had relegation pay cuts last season who went out on loan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
afar Posted August 2, 2017 Share Posted August 2, 2017 Strange how Hanley wasn't even included again today, We had to give Clark 90 mins. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted August 2, 2017 Share Posted August 2, 2017 Strange how Hanley wasn't even included again today, We had to give Clark 90 mins. Assume Hanley is being sold non? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted August 2, 2017 Share Posted August 2, 2017 Hope so Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figures 1-0 Football Posted August 2, 2017 Share Posted August 2, 2017 Need to get players out?! Jesus fucking Christ. What's wrong with that? We have too many players. It's quite staggering how people are still struggling with this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdm Posted August 2, 2017 Share Posted August 2, 2017 Need to get players out?! Jesus fucking Christ. What's wrong with that? We have too many players. It's quite staggering how people are still struggling with this. I'm totally fine with needing to shift players because the squad it too big, wages etc but Caulkin says We can't afford Perez fee. Needing to sell to get funds is what I can't swallow Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest palnese Posted August 2, 2017 Share Posted August 2, 2017 Need to get players out?! Jesus fucking Christ. What's wrong with that? We have too many players. It's quite staggering how people are still struggling with this. I'm totally fine with needing to shift players because the squad it too big, wages etc but Caulkin says We can't afford Perez fee. Needing to sell to get funds is what I can't swallow What's so hard to get? We lost a shitload of money by getting relegated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toon25 Posted August 2, 2017 Share Posted August 2, 2017 A shame we couldn't permanently shift the likes of Krul and Saivet last summer rather than loaning them out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdm Posted August 2, 2017 Share Posted August 2, 2017 Need to get players out?! Jesus fucking Christ. What's wrong with that? We have too many players. It's quite staggering how people are still struggling with this. I'm totally fine with needing to shift players because the squad it too big, wages etc but Caulkin says We can't afford Perez fee. Needing to sell to get funds is what I can't swallow What's so hard to get? We lost a shitload of money by getting relegated. Who said I didn't get it? We should still be able to afford £13m for Perez ffs we ain't that broke Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest palnese Posted August 2, 2017 Share Posted August 2, 2017 Need to get players out?! Jesus fucking Christ. What's wrong with that? We have too many players. It's quite staggering how people are still struggling with this. I'm totally fine with needing to shift players because the squad it too big, wages etc but Caulkin says We can't afford Perez fee. Needing to sell to get funds is what I can't swallow What's so hard to get? We lost a shitload of money by getting relegated. Who said I didn't get it? We should still be able to afford £13m for Perez ffs we ain't that broke Our wage bill will have increased quite a lot with promotion, signings and with players returning from loan. I think the wage budget is the biggest problem atm. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted August 2, 2017 Share Posted August 2, 2017 Can't see why we'd put Hanley on big money? Coming to a side fighting for promotion should've been a big enough draw. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted August 2, 2017 Share Posted August 2, 2017 Can't see why we'd put Hanley on big money? Coming to a side fighting for promotion should've been a big enough draw. Big money is 40k in the championship. Someone like Villa should see him as smart business and not out of their budget. There is still time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 2, 2017 Share Posted August 2, 2017 Villa have Terry & Chester. If Boro sell Gibson he'd be a good fit though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdm Posted August 2, 2017 Share Posted August 2, 2017 Need to get players out?! Jesus fucking Christ. What's wrong with that? We have too many players. It's quite staggering how people are still struggling with this. I'm totally fine with needing to shift players because the squad it too big, wages etc but Caulkin says We can't afford Perez fee. Needing to sell to get funds is what I can't swallow What's so hard to get? We lost a shitload of money by getting relegated. Who said I didn't get it? We should still be able to afford £13m for Perez ffs we ain't that broke Our wage bill will have increased quite a lot with promotion, signings and with players returning from loan. I think the wage budget is the biggest problem atm. That's fair, just hope can shift some of these players. Not too hopeful Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mistle17 Posted August 2, 2017 Share Posted August 2, 2017 Easily 6 players who we could/should dispose of, I agree. You look at the likes of Colback, Riviere, Haidara (I don't think he's that bad but it hasn't worked out), Saivet, and even Hanley and it really does make a total mockery of our whole penny-pinching, austerity transfer policy. Of course, not every signing will go your way but some of the absolute crap we've brought in over Ashley's reign- and some of them not even that cheap- and it really isn't hard to see why we are where we are. It just shows that sometimes you have to suck it up and pay a bit extra for quality players. We couldn't bring ourselves to do that and instead went for unforgivably bad transfers like Colback (to replace Cabaye) and we got what we deserved. I can see why Hanley was purchased but nonetheless he's not close to good enough for the PL, and for around £5m is bloody scandalous for what he has contributed and the contradiction it makes of our policies. Absolutely, we need to shift these players but we just as badly need to sign good new players and not doing so, yet again, is not fucking good enough. The only reason we will dig our heals in is not because we cant shift some of these cunts, but because we don't 'balance the books' enough. It's a load of bollocks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted August 2, 2017 Share Posted August 2, 2017 Hanley doesn't belong in that group, he was a shrewd signing to make sure we got promoted. Edit: Oh, you kind of said that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mistle17 Posted August 2, 2017 Share Posted August 2, 2017 Hanley doesn't belong in that group, he was a shrewd signing to make sure we got promoted. It wasn't shrewd. Yes, we needed the squad depth but for his price + wages it was a desperation more than sense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainhaircut Posted August 2, 2017 Share Posted August 2, 2017 Hanley doesn't belong in that group, he was a shrewd signing to make sure we got promoted. Totally- except the bit where he played in 7 league games, we paid 5m for him, gave him massive wages and can't shift him. We should have just loaned someone in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted August 2, 2017 Share Posted August 2, 2017 Hanley doesn't belong in that group, he was a shrewd signing to make sure we got promoted. It wasn't shrewd. Yes, we needed the squad depth but for his price + wages it was a desperation more than sense. I don't agree at all, one more injury and he would've become essential. And he would've done an OK job. Obviously to get these players you have to give them more than a one-season contract, it's just the price a promoted teams pays. Of course we have made some shit signings too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mistle17 Posted August 2, 2017 Share Posted August 2, 2017 Hanley doesn't belong in that group, he was a shrewd signing to make sure we got promoted. It wasn't shrewd. Yes, we needed the squad depth but for his price + wages it was a desperation more than sense. I don't agree at all, one more injury and he would've become essential. And he would've done an OK job. Obviously to get these players you have to give them more than a one-season contract, it's just the price a promoted teams pays. Of course we have made some s*** signings too. I agree, we couldn't have gone in that light. But as I said his wages of around £40,000 a week and £5m fee was poor business. Colback, although signed for free, is probably on around that, and now we are burdened with both of those clowns- primarily because of what it will take to get them to leave for less money if possible. Neither were well researched imo, just like countless others over the last few years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted August 2, 2017 Share Posted August 2, 2017 I just don't see how Hanley fits into that category though, he filled a spot we needed to fill and is a decent player. He's just the fourth-best now and the one that has to go. And arguably neither does Colback since he was free. They are fundamentally different to signings like Riviere, who is just a total waste of time and probably a favour for an agency. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted August 2, 2017 Share Posted August 2, 2017 So let's say we simply can't shift players like Riviere. Are people suggesting it's acceptable to just not sign another striker, for example? I can totally understand us wanting to reduce the wage bill etc, but surely at some point we've got to do business outside of that. Otherwise we'd be in deep shit with like two injuries. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted August 2, 2017 Share Posted August 2, 2017 So let's say we simply can't shift players like Riviere. Are people suggesting it's acceptable to just not sign another striker, for example? I can totally understand us wanting to reduce the wage bill etc, but surely at some point we've got to do business outside of that. Otherwise we'd be in deep shit with like two injuries. It's a balancing act. Sadly we don't know the ins and outs (excuse the pun). We don't know if x, y and z are close to leaving or not, therefore the club might be waiting for one to happen before moving on a target. I think the gamble is that we will shift these players in time to do our own business. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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