NE27 Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 13 minutes ago, Thumbheed said: Where do we stand on Stone cold stunners? Aye or nay? Only if two cans of pissy beer are shotgunned prior to the self defence move. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 18 minutes ago, Anderson said: Can't believe that's had to be spelled out, or that this is still going on ffs. At least we've discovered that Fantail Breeze wasn't a detective. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OpenC Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manxst Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 2 hours ago, Fantail Breeze said: It’s worth noting the aim is rarely to ‘shoot someone dead’ but they are trained to use the minimum force required to achieve the objective. In this example, they’d probably shoot them in the arm to disarm them. The rare situation where people are purposely shot dead is usually terror related where it’s believed they may have a device. I think you’ve been watching too much TV. Every use of force has to be justified. As I’ve said, it’s very different when we’re talking about a trained police officer and member of the public. It’d be easier to justify for a member of the public. You and ED are getting the two entwined and confused. It’s also worth noting that what you have stated is absolutely incorrect. Firearms officers are trained to shoot for the centre mass, being the largest target, and so is often the chest, but can also be whatever else is available including the head. NO training is given to ‘shoot to disable’ by aiming for an arm, leg, wrist or ankle. FFS. They ARE trained to use minimum force, yes, but by taking a shot as a last resort, that shot is more than likely going to result in a death. Much like each kick to a head, every shot fired will have to be justified, proportionate, necessary, accountable and legal. Two kicks to the head in the eyes of a layperson sounds outrageous, and quite possibly this will be borne out in court, resulting in a subsequent conviction - but until the facts of the matter are fully revealed as ED209 says, no one here can judge what happened. Certainly not by an alleged ex police officer who obviously doesn’t know the law, let alone the facts of the incident in question. anyway….RIP Dalian. He was a class player back in the day, and I’m sorry to hear of his struggles after retirement, leading to his death. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 Fantail Breeze seems like a huge loss to the force based on all of this. Why did you have to spill the beans, man, IP? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Linton Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 Which policeman to believe, that's the question. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 Aim for the arms ffs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 25 minutes ago, Nobody said: Aim for the arms ffs He must be hellishly good at Dead Space like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OpenC Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 (edited) Uses VATS, the one from Fallout 3 and NV that stops the action completely Edited May 5, 2021 by OpenC Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 1 hour ago, The Janitor said: Fantail Breeze seems like a huge loss to the force based on all of this. Why did you have to spill the beans, man, IP? I'd read it too many times and could no longer handle it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 Anyway....Dalian Atkinson. Was a really shit thing that happened and I hope the two coppers get done for it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilovecranestraps Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 4 hours ago, ED209 said: To be fair there is only you saying I am wrong. Of course I am going to rugby tackle a man with a knife and risk me getting stabbed as well when the kick to the head would be far safer and far more likely to swiftly end the situation. I can’t give you a court example of a kick to the head being found by a court to be lawful probably because an example like I have given would never make it to court in the first place because there is no prospect of a conviction. Have a read of Palmer vs R 1971. bit odd you lad, can't work out whether you're the most naive moron ever to draw breath or you're just really in to men in uniforms. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED209 Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 Love it how someone has created a new profile just to troll me, love it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Duper Branko Strupar Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 7 minutes ago, ilovecranestraps said: bit odd you lad, can't work out whether you're the most naive moron ever to draw breath or you're just really in to men in uniforms. What a weird fucking loner you must be. Go out and find some people to speak to. The clip of creating an account to have a go at someone on an internet forum, man. Christ. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robster Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 Love a random post from a member that I've never noticed before. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilovecranestraps Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 8 minutes ago, ED209 said: Love it how someone has created a new profile just to troll me, love it. Fucking weird pig loving cunt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED209 Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 2 minutes ago, ilovecranestraps said: Fucking weird pig loving cunt. Nice to meet you sir. How is your day? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 short lived introduction. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 He seemed nice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 14 minutes ago, ED209 said: Nice to meet you sir. How is your day? One of your customers, I assume Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 What a numpty Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robster Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 Humans are such fascinating creatures. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 I have no idea what happened in this case but people who hate the police as a rule are weird. The rare time I come across a police officer they are sound but then again, I'm not a criminal. By in large, the police in this country are very good. Of course, there is the odd dick head, perhaps even the odd group of dickheads but we don't have a culture of bad police officers. Thankfully, we have moved away from the thatchers whipping boys days. Now your average police officer is just your average person. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED209 Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 This bit is from the BBC, looks like the defence would probably have a reasonable argument that the cops didn’t cause Atkinson to die with their actions. “All three of the prosecution's medical experts, the court heard, agreed that while Mr Atkinson's enlarged heart meant that he could have died at any time, the prolonged period of Tasering and the kicks to his head made a "significant contribution" to his death.” Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shays Given Tim Flowers Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 59 minutes ago, Interpolic said: He seemed nice. Claiming this one Drossbot? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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