KaKa Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 The strange thing is we never even really saw him play for us to be able to make some sort of assessment of his game really. Crazy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Spaceman Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 Such a weird transfer. Felt like a coup getting him after apparently being a solid Serie A left back. Barely plays for us and couldn't get a game in Serie B Even weirder if he gets a move to a decent club after us Yeah, watch him become a solid LB in the Serie A now Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abra Dubravka Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 Whatever moron (Charnley) that deals contracts to these sorts of players shouldn't be in a job. Can't blame Rafa/whoever for bringing him into the club, but signing a player who's unproven/stop-gap/back-up on more than a 2 year deal is mental. The club must have lost millions in recent years on contracts of players who haven't even been PL registered - Atsu, Saivet, Aarons, Lazaar, Colback.... Emil Kraft on a 4 year deal, when it would surely make more sense to 2 year with option of 3rd on appearances etc. Isn't playing, doesn't seem to have long term future here, he'll be the next we're stuck with and can't/refuse to shift on. I can appreciate players and agents wouldn't really fancy anything short term, but that's not our problem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Spaceman Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 I don't think it's as easy as that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny36 Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 reminds me of the time when Winston Bogarde at Chelsea wasnt getting a game and refused a move. Was happy to pick up his wages.. We have had 4 or 5 players in the same squad in the past couple of years doing the same.. Lazaar, Saivet, Colback, Atsu and Aarons bleeding this club dry Ashley must be sick paying them a wage weekly what the average person would make in a year or even 2 years Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 Such a weird transfer. Felt like a coup getting him after apparently being a solid Serie A left back. Barely plays for us and couldn't get a game in Serie B Even weirder if he gets a move to a decent club after us Serie B has strict salary caps and much lower wages. The most a Serie B side can sign a player to is about 150k a year - then about the same again in bonuses. So considering his unglamorous position and being signed by Palermo from another smaller Serie B side when they were in Serie B - it is not unreasonable to imagine (without a new contract) that he was possibly only on about 1 or 2k a week when playing for Palermo in Serie A. What probably happened is we offered him a 5 year deal on 5 or 10x what he was previously earning. In doing so we gave him enough money to be completely financially secure for the rest of his life. Sometimes it's hard to know what that does to a player's motivation. Add in a year and a half of not playing and it's not hard to imagine he has stagnated completely as a player. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abra Dubravka Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 Don't blame the players staying on for whatever loyalty bonus they signed when they made their deal. It's our fault for making the deal with the players. What doesn't make sense is why we haven't been able to secure deals to get them moved to clubs whist paying percentages of their deals. Saivet went out on loan as soon as we dropped to the Championship, so there must have been some appetite from clubs who would have taken him in 2017 or 2018 windows - just that we'd have had to pay a percentage of whatever contract was owed to him. Even Ki was paid up to leave the club Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CalmintheChaos Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 Lovely. Another deadwood gone. Just Big joe Ritchie Saivet Atsu Carroll Gayle Shelvey Hendrick Krafth To go Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny36 Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 Saivet is a strange one.. He was captain of Bordeaux.. i remember he came on against Everton, i thought he played well.. didnt see much of him after that in 2017 he started against west ham , scored a nice free kick and again didnt see him again after that very strange transfer altogether Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GideonShandy Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 Saivet is a strange one.. He was captain of Bordeaux.. i remember he came on against Everton, i thought he played well.. didnt see much of him after that in 2017 he started against west ham , scored a nice free kick and again didnt see him again after that very strange transfer altogether Started against West Ham, gave away a goal with a ridiculous pass, then scored a nice free kick. I think Rafa (rightly) paid more attention to the error than the free kick. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 Holy shit he was still here? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 Such a weird transfer. Felt like a coup getting him after apparently being a solid Serie A left back. Barely plays for us and couldn't get a game in Serie B Even weirder if he gets a move to a decent club after us Serie B has strict salary caps and much lower wages. The most a Serie B side can sign a player to is about 150k a year - then about the same again in bonuses. So considering his unglamorous position and being signed by Palermo from another smaller Serie B side when they were in Serie B - it is not unreasonable to imagine (without a new contract) that he was possibly only on about 1 or 2k a week when playing for Palermo in Serie A. What probably happened is we offered him a 5 year deal on 5 or 10x what he was previously earning. In doing so we gave him enough money to be completely financially secure for the rest of his life. Sometimes it's hard to know what that does to a player's motivation. Add in a year and a half of not playing and it's not hard to imagine he has stagnated completely as a player. Can only imagine he was totally unsuited to top class football. When they are getting paid that amount you would think they would have to at least train seriously as part of their contract. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 Such a weird transfer. Felt like a coup getting him after apparently being a solid Serie A left back. Barely plays for us and couldn't get a game in Serie B Even weirder if he gets a move to a decent club after us Serie B has strict salary caps and much lower wages. The most a Serie B side can sign a player to is about 150k a year - then about the same again in bonuses. So considering his unglamorous position and being signed by Palermo from another smaller Serie B side when they were in Serie B - it is not unreasonable to imagine (without a new contract) that he was possibly only on about 1 or 2k a week when playing for Palermo in Serie A. What probably happened is we offered him a 5 year deal on 5 or 10x what he was previously earning. In doing so we gave him enough money to be completely financially secure for the rest of his life. Sometimes it's hard to know what that does to a player's motivation. Add in a year and a half of not playing and it's not hard to imagine he has stagnated completely as a player. Can only imagine he was totally unsuited to top class football. When they are getting paid that amount you would think they would have to at least train seriously as part of their contract. He played 60 games in Serie A you'd think he'd have something about him Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarrenBartonCentrePartin Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 Someone I know who witnessed training sessions regularly said Lazaar stood out as being significantly worse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
huss9 Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 Enrique and Bernard were decent. Domi was ok but strange....... Domi never really settled. He was a devout muslim. went to my dad's mosque. unlike Ba, he found it harder to handle the environment and integrate. went home to be closer to family. shame as he looked as if could have been a really decent player. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 He was a very good player. The 99/00 season in particular. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
54 Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinoasprilla Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 Be interesting to see how he does Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 Probably be the LB equivalent of Toney and Armstrong by the end of the season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 He totally disappeared but I back him to come back from the dead at Watford. A real Lazaarus. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 Will the Major be able to Light It Up at Watford? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 He totally disappeared but I back him to come back from the dead at Watford. A real Lazaarus. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinho lad Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 Such a Lazaar career here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Duper Branko Strupar Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 Will the Major be able to Light It Up at Watford? Awful. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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