thomas Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 We don't get promoted this year or next we're not winning s*** for ages because I imagine Rafa departs and I'm not really sure what happens after that. Getting out of the championship the first time is absolutely crucial to this club's future and that includes Rafa's vision for the club. Why would Rafa be so much more likely to depart us if we won the fa cup and narrowly lost a playoff final than if we were promoted? Surely he'd stick around an extra year in this hypothetical? Oh he might indeed want to but I expect he and his entourage would be shipped out regardless as the finances require further tightening for a 2nd year down a league. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 FA Cup yes. League cup no. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 That was my view until about 10.10pm last night. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UncleBingo Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 Was only 4 months old when we won the Fairs Cup and we've won nothing since, so would definitely take a Cup win. No question about it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 What's so special about the FA cup over the league cup like? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Spaceman Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 What's so special about the FA cup over the league cup like? Nothing anymore. They've both been as equally de-valued over the last 10 years imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Village Idiot Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 What's so special about the FA cup over the league cup like? 100 years of history... The fact that most European leagues don't have a LC makes it look (at least to us in the continent) as a bit of a made-up tin pot trophy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 What's so special about the FA cup over the league cup like? 100 years of history... The fact that most European leagues don't have a LC makes it look (at least to us in the continent) as a bit of a made-up tin pot trophy. Most other Europeanleagues don't have a FA Cup. They have a league cup (teams in the professional League pyramid). Is that right? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Village Idiot Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 What's so special about the FA cup over the league cup like? 100 years of history... The fact that most European leagues don't have a LC makes it look (at least to us in the continent) as a bit of a made-up tin pot trophy. Most other Europeanleagues don't have a FA Cup. They have a league cup (teams in the professional League pyramid). Is that right? Got a point there, that's something I have always liked about the FA Cup. Well, it's true in the case of Spain, not sure about other countries. Our short-lived league cup was only contested by La Liga teams. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 What's so special about the FA cup over the league cup like? 100 years of history... The fact that most European leagues don't have a LC makes it look (at least to us in the continent) as a bit of a made-up tin pot trophy. Neither does the champions league. At the end of the day it's much needed silverware that featured teams at the apparent elite of the game. To me the FA cup seems no different these days other than offering a giant killing day out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decky Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 We need something to break the drought. I'm not arsed what cup it is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
samptime29 Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 Cup win all day long. I wanna see what the Toon is like for 48 hours after a cup win. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyn davies Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 believe Ashley said that he wasn't going anywhere till we won something, could the league cup be the deciding factor? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackyboy Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 Both would do Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 What are people expecting if/when we get promoted? Genuine question like. I think the best we can really hope for in the medium term is 5th or 6th and I'd trade that for the FA Cup any day I just like supporting Newcastle when we're not a total joke. That's all I want really. Winning a cup won't change that, being back in the Premiership with a proper manager in charge could, and trophies could hopefully come afterwards. And with regards to trophies, unless you win the Premiership or the Champions League nobody else gives a shit (and I know we like to pretend that doesn't matter, but it really does). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinho lad Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 Perhaps Triggs was in a coma or living in a cave last year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 Both would do Exactly. Fuck this 'would you like this, or prefer that...' We'll have them both thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toon Hoser Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 Cup. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Collage Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 Cup all the way. Seeing us win something, a proper throphy (rather than the Championship one) would be fantastic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 The cups will be better if they had a way into the Champions League, maybe the Community Shirld should be made into a League Cup vs FA Cup playoff. So not to devalue the league 3rd vs 4th could also playoff. Maybe this could be the lucrative foreign-played game the Premier League have long wanted. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 I think we'all need to win the league cup before we win another domestic trophy like. The drought adds to the pressure. Much like I think it's harder for a Liverpool team to win the league than any other. So much pressure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cubaricho Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 Getting promoted this season with Rafa at the helm in the Prem is far more imperative than winning a cup this season. In so much as it would put us in a position to possibly win multiple cups in the near future rather than just one now and then waiting another 50+ years for the next. The long term viability of the club is always paramount over a random cup win. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foluwashola Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 Getting promoted this season with Rafa at the helm in the Prem is far more imperative than winning a cup this season. In so much as it would put us in a position to possibly win multiple cups in the near future rather than just one now and then waiting another 50+ years for the next. The long term viability of the club is always paramount over a random cup win. It wouldn't put us in a position to win 'multiple cups in the near future' at all tbf. We'd be a newly promoted club, with a quality manager, still absolutely light years behind the big 6 teams in the country. Unless by near future you mean century. This is before factoring in that we are NUFC, and an unmitigated disaster is always around the corner. Feel as if I'm arguing against promotion here I know we'll be promoted and it will be great. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 get promoted to a league we cant win, or win something for virtually the first time in my lifetime. I will take the Cup thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cubaricho Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 Getting promoted this season with Rafa at the helm in the Prem is far more imperative than winning a cup this season. In so much as it would put us in a position to possibly win multiple cups in the near future rather than just one now and then waiting another 50+ years for the next. The long term viability of the club is always paramount over a random cup win. It would put us in a position to win 'multiple cups in the near future' at all tbf. We'd be a newly promoted club, with a quality manager, still absolutely light years behind the big 6 teams in the country. Unless by near future you mean century. This is before factoring in that we are NUFC, and an unmitigated disaster is always around the corner. Feel as if I'm arguing against promotion here I know we'll be promoted and it will be great. The original debate is between Promotion or Cup Win, not both. We'd all love both. But in the short term, with a view towards the long term, promotion is more important this season than a cup win. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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