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Stifler

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It makes you wonder how many kids were abused in years gone by, not just in football but just in general. My grandparents grew up in a time when older generation were firmly in charge, you did what they told you and even the guy down the street was allowed to tell kids off and if the childs parent found out about it, it was the child at fault. Kids weren't allowed much of a voice, and their word meant nothing. How many children never spoke out because they were told that doing so they would be the one told off or they wouldn't be believed? I'm pretty sure in most cases the parents would probably have to have caught someone doing it with their child to believe it was actually happening. Even to this day my own mam has an attitude of if someone she knows is accused of doing a bad thing (not even related to things like child abuse) then she has a hard time believing it because she thinks she knows that person and she comes from a generation where people you know never do things wrong, it's always a stranger.

 

As much as I see your point, my parents always listened to what I had to say when I was a kid. For example: If I'd been naughty in school (or whilst playing out after school) and they were informed about it by the head teacher, they'd always ask me first what was going on or what had happened. 9 times out of 10 I was at fault and got a clip round the lug off my dad but I never felt like I didn't have a voice and I always felt like I could tell my parents anything. This is obviously just a personal point of view.

Thats fair enough, and that's what happened when I was younger. I'm going way back though, and I get the impression that a lot of children lived like this or in conditions where it would be easy to abuse them and to cover it up.
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Ormond was found guilty of similar charges in 2002 and was sentenced to 6 years. Former striker Derek Bell was instrumental in the previous case against Ormond .

 

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/dec/01/newcastle-accused-cover-up-1990s-abuse

 

Eerie. Stories of child abuse are horrifying enough, yet they always seem a world away. Then something surfaces and you realise you were there.

 

Decka was one of the older lads on the estate when I was a kid, 2 years older than me. He was in the same class as my sister, and my mother knew his mother through the Wednesday Club. He was good mates with my neighbour whose younger brother was my best mate. We used to play football just about every day at primary school, and many weekends on the moor. He was a cracking little player, arguably the best in the school, and a right character to go with it. I'm pretty sure I didn't just imagine it but he was well thought of on the estate. The kind who could get into trouble and joke his way out of it.

 

I don't mind saying I looked up to him for a good few years.

 

I vaguely remember the day he got picked for Newcastle Boys and the pride that emanated through the corridors of our school. I'm pretty sure we did no work that day as we all dreamed of the same. Practicing signing autographs in our jotters was probably the most any could manage.

 

But then we all grew old and our stories went in different directions, and I never thought of him again. Until Gassa started playing for the toon, he reminded me of Decka in so many ways, and I did wonder whatever happened to him.

 

So it kinda breaks my heart to learn what did happen, and just felt the need to express my respect for the fella.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Ormond was found guilty of similar charges in 2002 and was sentenced to 6 years. Former striker Derek Bell was instrumental in the previous case against Ormond .

 

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/dec/01/newcastle-accused-cover-up-1990s-abuse

 

Eerie. Stories of child abuse are horrifying enough, yet they always seem a world away. Then something surfaces and you realise you were there.

 

Decka was one of the older lads on the estate when I was a kid, 2 years older than me. He was in the same class as my sister, and my mother knew his mother through the Wednesday Club. He was good mates with my neighbour whose younger brother was my best mate. We used to play football just about every day at primary school, and many weekends on the moor. He was a cracking little player, arguably the best in the school, and a right character to go with it. I'm pretty sure I didn't just imagine it but he was well thought of on the estate. The kind who could get into trouble and joke his way out of it.

 

I don't mind saying I looked up to him for a good few years.

 

I vaguely remember the day he got picked for Newcastle Boys and the pride that emanated through the corridors of our school. I'm pretty sure we did no work that day as we all dreamed of the same. Practicing signing autographs in our jotters was probably the most any could manage.

 

But then we all grew old and our stories went in different directions, and I never thought of him again. Until Gassa started playing for the toon, he reminded me of Decka in so many ways, and I did wonder whatever happened to him.

 

So it kinda breaks my heart to learn what did happen, and just felt the need to express my respect for the fella.

 

He pulled on the black and white stripes which so many of us dreamed of doing and despite the horrific things that happened to him was strong enough as a person to help stop his abuser hurting other people. That's as you said a man to be respected alright .

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/41645807

The man leading the independent investigation into historical child sex abuse in football has received counselling to deal with the traumatic evidence he has heard.

 

Barrister Clive Sheldon QC was asked by the Football Association to look into the scandal last year, following a series of allegations from former players.

 

So far he has met with 15 victims, and - along with his team - has had access to psychological support after hearing them recount abuse stories.

 

The sheer scale of the task facing the inquiry also means a final report will not now be completed until Easter 2018 at the earliest, several months later than originally planned.

 

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Right then, there's a couple of things in there that have me thinking and would like input from the old gits on here. Our PE teacher 1976-80 (aged 9-13)  insisted on no underwear under PE gear (to be fair I still never wear keks under shorts) and he'd watch us now and again in the showers, there'd be about 20 in there at a time (loads of kids in the shower can be dangerous, I saw two split heads and one broken arm from larking about), now though I wonder and that's horrible.

We weren't allowed to wear underpants under our shorts for PE either unless we had brought a spare pair and had to prove it. (same era). he also sometimes made us have cold showers as well and made sure we stayed in their with no one allowed out as if "we didn't the cold showers we must be puffs".

 

Wonder if this was a west end thing with no underpants, same thing at my school in benwell 1974-80.

A bit strange them checking thinking back.

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https://theathletic.co.uk/2416973/2021/03/01/ornstein-newcastle-legal-claims-referee-lee-mason-calf-injury-man-city/

 

"Newcastle United’s battle to avoid relegation from the Premier League is being accompanied by a legal challenge behind the scenes involving the victims of George Ormond, the jailed coach who worked for the club in the 1990s and was described in court as a “predatory paedophile”.

 

Ormond was sent to prison for 20 years in 2018 after being found guilty of committing 36 counts of sexual abuse against 18 victims over a 24-year period. Ormond preyed on junior footballers at a boys’ club and during several years assisting with Newcastle’s youth coaching.

 

My colleague Daniel Taylor can now reveal that several of Ormond’s victims have started civil claims against Newcastle and have brought in Bolt Burdon Kemp, a law firm that specialises in helping abuse survivors, to fight their case.

 

“Newcastle have had every opportunity to apologise and accept responsibility for what has happened,” says Thomas Beale, senior associate for Bolt Burdon Kemp. “By denying liability and forcing the survivors to pursue litigation, the club are causing further distress and harm rather than helping those who have been abused try to move forward with their lives.

 

“It is not just about money. It is about the club accepting responsibility and apologising for their failings. I would encourage the club to reconsider their stance and accept liability.“

 

Newcastle, via their insurers, are denying it is their responsibility. Their lawyers are expected to argue Ormond’s crimes were not closely connected to his role at the club and that, after this passage of time, the claims ought to be barred because of what is known as the “limitation” defence.

 

Newcastle have declined to comment."

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