Wullie Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 On 07/03/2023 at 02:31, r0cafella said: Fan experience is important, who wants to watch a game where the running track separates the fans from the pitch? This is such a problem for Serie A. So many games feel so lifeless, more than once I've caught myself thinking "is this behind closed doors?" because you can watch for ages and not see any supporters. A lot of the games are like watching Birmingham where they've had that main stand opposite the camera closed for years. Verona are one that I always notice, you can see when they score that there's loads of people there, with flags and flares. But that's the only time you see them in the game, the rest of the time you could be watching a midweek National League game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 8 minutes ago, Wullie said: This is such a problem for Serie A. So many games feel so lifeless, more than once I've caught myself thinking "is this behind closed doors?" because you can watch for ages and not see any supporters. A lot of the games are like watching Birmingham where they've had that main stand opposite the camera closed for years. I wonder if it's a coincidence that about half the teams in the league can barely get their stadiums two-thirds full, whilst there are Italian broadcasters offering all 380 games on TV/streaming services...? A cautionary tale perhaps. Then again, all Eredivisie matches are available too and their attendances (% of ground being full, that is) are still really high. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nine Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 Wasn’t sure where to put this but seeing the Man United takeover gaining some traction makes me wonder why their fans want the Glazers out so badly? Forgive my ignorance as I don’t keep up with the ins and outs and I get that they havnt won much for more years than they got used to but they have out spent everyone else.. so what’s going to change there? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Spaceman Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 The lack of care given to Old Trafford for starters. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 (edited) On 14/03/2023 at 01:15, Yorkie said: I wonder if it's a coincidence that about half the teams in the league can barely get their stadiums two-thirds full, whilst there are Italian broadcasters offering all 380 games on TV/streaming services...? A cautionary tale perhaps. Then again, all Eredivisie matches are available too and their attendances (% of ground being full, that is) are still really high. Attendances did gradually fall when every game went on TV. It undoubtedly had an impact. This accelerated after calciopoli for obvious reasons. As did the introduction of photo ID to enter stadia. Although attendances have recovered quite a bit in recent years in terms of total numbers. A lot of it however is often simply down to the ground being too big for the club and/or fanbase. Most teams use large municipal stadiums not built for purpose and clubs are unable to build new ones or redevelop the existing ones to a more appropriate size/style. The built form of the existing stadia is also rarely conducive to the TV experience when there is a running track, or when all the fans are placed on one side of the ground/in the curva miles away from the pitch. I would also say that Italy is very different to the UK in the fact that it has lots and lots of small parochial cities which are little more than towns when you look at population. Cremonese have a 21,000 seater but it is unsurprising that it is not filled - the city itself is smaller than Hartlepool. Empoli and Sassuolo are barely much bigger than Blyth. Watching a Serie A game in person is a notably better experience than it is on TV because the ultras provide the noise and atmosphere and you get the full sense of that in person. However I would say the ultras are a weakness as much as a strength as their very presence probably does scare and intimidate family going supporters (as well as the state of the facilities themselves) which is such a boon for attendances in other countries - particularly England. Edited March 16, 2023 by ponsaelius Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manxst Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 45 minutes ago, Nine said: Wasn’t sure where to put this but seeing the Man United takeover gaining some traction makes me wonder why their fans want the Glazers out so badly? Forgive my ignorance as I don’t keep up with the ins and outs and I get that they havnt won much for more years than they got used to but they have out spent everyone else.. so what’s going to change there? Burdened the club with unheard of levels of debt when initially purchasing them. They take yearly profits out of the club to line their own pockets when prior to their arrival, all profits were put back into the club to put towards transfers etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 Verona specifically is actually a good example of the above. I went a few years ago for a sell-out win against Juve and it was probably the best matchday atmosphere I've been to in terms of colour and consistent noise throughout. However Verona ultras are also notorious for being the nastiest and most intimidating bigots around. Getting in meant queuing for over an hour before to check tickets and ID, while the actual stadium facilities and comforts at the Bentegodi are more or less non existent. It is little surprise that for a league game against middling opposition that is on TV sees a huge drop in casual supporters (and very few tourists compared to the PL). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 53 minutes ago, ponsaelius said: Attendances did gradually fall when every game went on TV. It undoubtedly had an impact. This accelerated after calciopoli for obvious reasons. As did the introduction of photo ID to enter stadia. Although attendances have recovered quite a bit in recent years in terms of total numbers. A lot of it however is often simply down to the ground being too big for the club and/or fanbase. Most teams use large municipal stadiums not built for purpose and clubs are unable to build new ones or redevelop the existing ones to a more appropriate size/style. The built form of the existing stadia is also rarely conducive to the TV experience when there is a running track, or when all the fans are placed on one side of the ground/in the curva miles away from the pitch. I would also say that Italy is very different to the UK in the fact that it has lots and lots of small parochial cities which are little more than towns when you look at population. Cremonese have a 21,000 seater but it is unsurprising that it is not filled - the city itself is smaller than Hartlepool. Empoli and Sassuolo are barely much bigger than Blyth. Watching a Serie A game in person is a notably better experience than it is on TV because the ultras provide the noise and atmosphere and you get the full sense of that in person. However I would say the ultras are a weakness as much as a strength as their very presence probably does scare and intimidate family going supporters (as well as the state of the facilities themselves) which is such a boon for attendances in other countries - particularly England. Assume this means the prospect of the stadiums getting some tlc is basically null? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 Yeah basically. Also bureaucracy makes it extremely difficult to get the land and consents (and definitely not the funding) to build new ones ('you already have a perfectly good stadium'). It is happening in some cases but pace is glacial. On a strictly personal and selfish level I'm not bothered. Not until I've ticked off all the great stadiums anyway. But there's no doubt stadium redevelop is pretty key to improving the quality of the 'product' - even just to allow the clubs to have more control over revenue Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 Top of my list to go to a game abroad is Italy like. Never been at the right time / got fixture computer luck so far. Bologna being top of the list albeit it’d probably be San Siro. Easily the best/most interesting football culture in Europe for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 Going to Inter vs Juve actually Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted March 18, 2023 Share Posted March 18, 2023 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheInfiniteOdyssey Posted March 18, 2023 Share Posted March 18, 2023 Mount seems a perfect type of player for Howe. Something to keep an eye on if we manage to get European football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manxst Posted March 18, 2023 Share Posted March 18, 2023 1 minute ago, TheInfiniteOdyssey said: Mount seems a perfect type of player for Howe. Something to keep an eye on if we manage to get European football. Simply can’t see us paying the wages he wants. Why leave Chelsea to earn less money with us than they’ve offered him? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheInfiniteOdyssey Posted March 18, 2023 Share Posted March 18, 2023 8 minutes ago, Manxst said: Simply can’t see us paying the wages he wants. Why leave Chelsea to earn less money with us than they’ve offered him? Yeah wouldn’t really make a lot of sense, unless he’s totally lost confidence in the sporting project at Chelsea. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia Posted March 18, 2023 Share Posted March 18, 2023 On 17/03/2023 at 00:16, The College Dropout said: Going to Inter vs Juve actually Just did the San Siro tour yesterday. Class stadium ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted March 18, 2023 Share Posted March 18, 2023 I would be absolutely all over bringing Mount in, in the right system he's absolutely class. Very intelligent player. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted March 18, 2023 Share Posted March 18, 2023 Main reported reason he wants to leave Chelsea is that they won’t offer anything other than a daft length deal FWIW. Can’t imagine him coming here for less though. If I was Liverpool I’d be all over it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted March 19, 2023 Share Posted March 19, 2023 23 hours ago, Ketsbaia said: Just did the San Siro tour yesterday. Class stadium ? Yeh class stadium. Awful game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted March 20, 2023 Share Posted March 20, 2023 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lish007 Posted March 20, 2023 Share Posted March 20, 2023 2 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said: Good, i hope this is true. Really like Bellingham and I'd be loathed to see him at Liverpool. Would really really wind me up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LV Posted March 20, 2023 Share Posted March 20, 2023 6 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said: Bet Chelsea have a nibble Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 20, 2023 Share Posted March 20, 2023 Heard he loves the toon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted March 20, 2023 Share Posted March 20, 2023 City and real favourites according to Ornstein Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted March 20, 2023 Share Posted March 20, 2023 He would sort Liverpool right out too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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