Other clubs' transfers

[enthusiast]

Ziyech deal apparently a "free loan" with option for a "free transfer". The guy was never going to be a absolute top tier player, but did look brilliant at Ajax. And now after the Chelsea treatment it's "give him a shot and if you like you can have him for nowt.". What an embarrassment.

[joeyt]

Villa looking at Nuno Tavares from Arsenal for their left back spot

[Viana]

14 hours ago, enthusiast said:

Ziyech deal apparently a "free loan" with option for a "free transfer". The guy was never going to be a absolute top tier player, but did look brilliant at Ajax. And now after the Chelsea treatment it's "give him a shot and if you like you can have him for nowt.". What an embarrassment.

As someone that saw a lot of Ziyech, he's a very good player, but I think he's like a few of that Ajax team in the sense he was made to look great by the system. . 

 

There was a few in that group on the younger side that secured moves but didn't manage to kick on (Donny van De Beek, David Neres, Nicolas Tagliafico). Onana and Matthijs de Ligt are two that may escape that accusation, but de Ligt certainly wasn't great for Juventus.

 

My belief is strengthened by how good Dusan Tadic and Lasse Schone looked that season, and it's why I'm surprised that Erik ten Hag has Man Utd looking so average even with the ball.

 

[Ben]

12 minutes ago, Viana said:

As someone that saw a lot of Ziyech, he's a very good player, but I think he's like a few of that Ajax team in the sense he was made to look great by the system. . 

 

There was a few in that group on the younger side that secured moves but didn't manage to kick on (Donny van De Beek, David Neres, Nicolas Tagliafico). Onana and Matthijs de Ligt are two that may escape that accusation, but de Ligt certainly wasn't great for Juventus.

 

My belief is strengthened by how good Dusan Tadic and Lasse Schone looked that season, and it's why I'm surprised that Erik ten Hag has Man Utd looking so average even with the ball.

 

Ten Hag has far too many average overpaid players he needs a clean slate, saying that his transfers have been poor as well.

[SUPERTOON]

 

[Sima]

On 19/08/2023 at 08:56, Matt1892 said:

 

How convenient that this is the best possible outcome for West Ham.

[LFEE]

10 minutes ago, Sima said:

How convenient that this is the best possible outcome for West Ham.

Even funnier it was their shirt sponsors that caught him ?

[The Butcher]

 

[madras]

2 minutes ago, The Butcher said:

 

Hadn't we been linked and I'm sure @brummie spoke highly of him.

 

 

Edited August 20, 2023 by madras

[Dr.Spaceman]

FFP is causing some crazy shit

[Froggy]

2 hours ago, Ben said:

Ten Hag has far too many average overpaid players he needs a clean slate, saying that his transfers have been poor as well.

 

Malacia - signed as backup full back. Played well majority of the games he's played. Success. 

 

Casemiro - remains to be seen if his legs are going this year, but he was most certainly a success based on last year. 

 

Martinez - huge success.

 

Eriksen - huge success. 

 

Mount, Onana, Hojlund - combined total of 331 minutes so far. Far too early to judge any of these players. 

 

Antony - dog water

 

Would say it's harsh to call his transfers poor. 80% hit rate unless you're writing off players after two games. 

 

[brummie]

9 minutes ago, madras said:

Hadn't we been linked and I'm sure @brummie spoke highly of him.

 

 

 

 

I am amazed we are thinking of flogging him.

[Ben]

10 minutes ago, Froggy said:

 

Malacia - signed as backup full back. Played well majority of the games he's played. Success. 

 

Casemiro - remains to be seen if his legs are going this year, but he was most certainly a success based on last year. 

 

Martinez - huge success.

 

Eriksen - huge success. 

 

Mount, Onana, Hojlund - combined total of 331 minutes so far. Far too early to judge any of these players. 

 

Antony - dog water

 

Would say it's harsh to call his transfers poor. 80% hit rate unless you're writing off players after two games. 

 

 

Bit of a stretch to say Martinez and Eriksen are huge successes, Man City are spending similar amounts and I would consider their signings huge successes 

[Froggy]

Just now, Ben said:

 

Bit of a stretch to say Martinez and Eriksen are huge successes, Man City are spending similar amounts and I would consider their signings huge successes 

 

Eriksen was free and Martinez was brilliant last year. 

 

I'm not saying we've had better windows that anybody else, but Ten Hag's signings haven't been poor at all. Antony aside of course. 

[rgk_lfc]

On 11/08/2023 at 06:34, r0cafella said:

Would love to get @rgk_lfcvery insightful thoughts on all of this. 

 

Sorry. Been very busy the past month. New job and recently became a dad . Football is a bit low on my list of priorities for the next few months. I honestly have nothing insightful to add other than bewilderment. 

 

I have no clue why we went all in for Caicedo. I have posted here that one needs to be careful about spending huge sums of money on players from clubs that play in well-defined systems, such as Brighton, Dortmund, RB, etc. There will always be exceptions, such as Haaland, Lewa, and Gundogan, but for the most part, they won't live up to the price tag. Caicedo is a great player, but not sure about breaking the British transfer record for him. The part I don't like is our consistent attempts at trying to sign players who are obviously going to other clubs - Tchouameni, Bellingham, Caicedo, and now Lavia also. 

 

I am very happy about the Mac Allister and Szoboszlai purchases. We still need a number 6. Endo can be a stopgap. We also have a collection of youngsters - Harvey Elliott, Bajcetic, Curtis Jones - who all have shown that they belong to the premier league but are still unsure if we rely on them over the season for a top 4 finish. Definitely expecting a season in transition. 

 

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Froggy said:

Martinez was brilliant last year. 

 

Until that game against Liverpool. I also think he was lucky not to get booked as often as he should have. 

[Deuce]

Antony aside, I don’t think we should be too critical of ManU’s transfer dealings last season given that they finished above us.

[Alberto2005]

Just now, Deuce said:

Antony aside, I don’t think we should be too critical of ManU’s transfer dealings last season given that they finished above us.

I agree, but not on the basis they finished above us we were relegation fodder the season before.

[Ronson333]

9 minutes ago, rgk_lfc said:

 

Sorry. Been very busy the past month. New job and recently became a dad . Football is a bit low on my list of priorities for the next few months. I honestly have nothing insightful to add other than bewilderment. 

 

I have no clue why we went all in for Caicedo. I have posted here that one needs to be careful about spending huge sums of money on players from clubs that play in well-defined systems, such as Brighton, Dortmund, RB, etc. There will always be exceptions, such as Haaland, Lewa, and Gundogan, but for the most part, they won't live up to the price tag. Caicedo is a great player, but not sure about breaking the British transfer record for him. The part I don't like is our consistent attempts at trying to sign players who are obviously going to other clubs - Tchouameni, Bellingham, Caicedo, and now Lavia also. 

 

I am very happy about the Mac Allister and Szoboszlai purchases. We still need a number 6. Endo can be a stopgap. We also have a collection of youngsters - Harvey Elliott, Bajcetic, Curtis Jones - who all have shown that they belong to the premier league but are still unsure if we rely on them over the season for a top 4 finish. Definitely expecting a season in transition. 

 

Congratulations on becoming a dad.

[Manxst]

2 minutes ago, Deuce said:

Antony aside, I don’t think we should be too critical of ManU’s transfer dealings last season given that they finished above us.

 

1 minute ago, Alberto2005 said:

I agree, but not on the basis they finished above us we were relegation fodder the season before.

Not to mention they only finished a place higher, yet with a GD of -20. Plus having started in a much stronger position both on and off the pitch, AND having a €-704m net transfer spend for the last 5 years compared to our own €-486m (according to transfermrkt).

[Froggy]

16 minutes ago, Manxst said:

 

Not to mention they only finished a place higher, yet with a GD of -20. Plus having started in a much stronger position both on and off the pitch, AND having a €-704m net transfer spend for the last 5 years compared to our own €-486m (according to transfermrkt).

 

Interesting way to look at it. We were coming off the back of the horrible Solskjaer/Rangnick season whereas you had the takeover and an injection of fresh players and a new manager. Very debatable that we were in a much stronger position on the pitch. 

 

GD of -20 looks worse than what it was as well. A few really bad days, e.g. shipping 17 goals in 3 games against Brentford, City and Liverpool. We still had the most clean sheets in the league last year which is often forgotten about. 

 

We also beat you in a cup final, got to the final of the FA Cup and had a long run in Europe despite an extensive injury list towards the end of the season as well as well as losing Ronaldo mid-season leaving us with no proper #9 for the remainder of the season. 

 

Let's not try to downplay any achievements. We both had excellent seasons given the expectations coming in to 22/23.

[rgk_lfc]

26 minutes ago, Ronson333 said:

Congratulations on becoming a dad.

 

Thanks 

[The College Dropout]

2 hours ago, Froggy said:

 

Malacia - signed as backup full back. Played well majority of the games he's played. Success. 

 

Casemiro - remains to be seen if his legs are going this year, but he was most certainly a success based on last year. 

 

Martinez - huge success.

 

Eriksen - huge success. 

 

Mount, Onana, Hojlund - combined total of 331 minutes so far. Far too early to judge any of these players. 

 

Antony - dog water

 

Would say it's harsh to call his transfers poor. 80% hit rate unless you're writing off players after two games. 

 

Casemiro, Eriksen, Mount, Bruno. I don’t think that’s the profile of CMs ETH would ideally want.  They all very talented footballers but picking 3 atm has big disadvantages.  
 

And most of those lads aren’t good in the air. Which is a massive disadvantage offensively and defensively.  Even Guardiola has embraced the idea that you need a physical squad.  

[joeyt]

 

He played really well for them today I thought

[Nobody]

26 minutes ago, joeyt said:

 

He played really well for them today I thought

He's not going to Newcastle.