Other clubs' transfers

[PCW1983]

On 03/09/2023 at 10:24, Andy84 said:

Canny windfall they’ve had from Brennan Johnson.  Home grown as well wasn’t he for that FFP

There’s a canny article on SS about Forests transfers this summer, gives some insight. 

[TaylorJ_01]

10 minutes ago, joeyt said:

 

I think Turkish league signings are my favourite

 

Checked Fenerbahce squad the other day: Dzeko, Tadic, Josh King, Ryan Kent

 

Pure Turkish league

 

 

Bloody hell, Rangers are so weird. 

 

Between Alfredo Morelos and Ryan Kent, they just let 2 of their best players leave for nothing at the ages of 26 

 

 

[Deuce]

Al-Ittihad allegedly preparing a £215m bid for Salah

[alexf]

Ugh ?. Don't like them getting silly money for an aging player. Will set them up for the next few years massively.

[TaylorJ_01]

At what point would someone investigate collusion? That'd be quarter of a billion for 4 30+ year olds, plus taking all their hefty wages off the books.

[RobsonsWonderland]

11 minutes ago, TaylorJ_01 said:

At what point would someone investigate collusion? That'd be quarter of a billion for 4 30+ year olds, plus taking all their hefty wages off the books.

Obviously they are better then our aging players... But it does move the challenge of inflated fees for future purchases.

 

Say Miggy was to move next year we could easily ask for 50 million plus, as their market is not the going rate across Europe 

[TRon]

1 hour ago, RobsonsWonderland said:

Obviously they are better then our aging players... But it does move the challenge of inflated fees for future purchases.

 

Say Miggy was to move next year we could easily ask for 50 million plus, as their market is not the going rate across Europe 

 

We thought that about ASM but it didn't quite work out like that. Seems like the scrutiny of daft fees only kicks in when it's Newcastle involved.

[Menace]

It's evident that the Saudis are prioritising their league ahead of us but what can you do. £250m for Salah Henderson and Fabinho is sickening. If spent wisely they're basically set.

 

 

Edited September 5, 2023 by Menace

[Jaqen]

31 minutes ago, Menace said:

It's evident that the Saudis are prioritising their league ahead of us but what can you do. £250m for Salah Henderson and Fabinho is sickening. If spent wisely they're basically set.

 

 

 

 

Eh? They are spending as much as they are allowed to within the rules for us. 

[TRon]

Just now, Jaqen said:

 

Eh? They are spending as much as they are allowed to within the rules for us. 

 

I get what he's saying though, they are strengthening our rivals by buying all their 30+ year olds for daft fees they'd never get from normal leagues.

 

But obviously they are going to prioritise themselves, we'd do the same.

[Menace]

Pretty much

[TheBrownBottle]

3 hours ago, Jaqen said:

 

Eh? They are spending as much as they are allowed to within the rules for us. 

They’re prioritising because clearly those ludicrously inflated fees have a negative effect on NUFC, given they’re handing money to our rivals. 
 

It’s their money and it makes sense they’d prioritise their own teams, tbf. 

[Super Duper Branko Strupar]

Imagine the Saudi's buying past it Liverpool players in one summer for nearly the same amount they paid for our whole club. Would love to hear the scouse stance on that. 

 

 

Edited September 5, 2023 by Super Duper Branko Strupar

[Yorkie]

Just now, Super Duper Branko Strupar said:

Imagine the Saudi's buying past it Liverpool players in one summer for nearly the same amount they paid for our whole club. Would love to hear the scouse stance on that. 

 

This is why I have absolutely zero issue with it. I never wanted a Saudi leg-up anyway. 

[Super Duper Branko Strupar]

I forget, did PCP and RBs put in £30m each for their 10%? Would mean Liverpool actually get more if it happened  

 

Edit: Oh aye she borrowed it. 

 

 

Edited September 5, 2023 by Super Duper Branko Strupar

[Jaqen]

20 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

They’re prioritising because clearly those ludicrously inflated fees have a negative effect on NUFC, given they’re handing money to our rivals. 
 

It’s their money and it makes sense they’d prioritise their own teams, tbf. 

 

People said they were bailing Chelsea out but Arsenal and Man United gave them £120m for Mount with one year on his contract and Havertz. Even we will give them £30m for Hall. 

 

Fair enough if the pay that fee for Salah it will benefit Liverpool in the long term but it definitely lowers there chance at top 4 this season. 

 

Their aim is to make Newcatle the biggest club in Europe and I don't think they will ever hold back from spending as much as they are financially allowed to make that happen. 

[relámpago blanco]

6 hours ago, TaylorJ_01 said:

At what point would someone investigate collusion? That'd be quarter of a billion for 4 30+ year olds, plus taking all their hefty wages off the books.

He is one of the worlds best though.  Even at 31.  They are also setting new precedents which the Premier League rules are quite clear on.

 

Yes, they could maybe spend a billion on players if they sold him based on FFP but they don't have unlimited backing.  They will spend what the club generates so they'll have to replace him for that.  I'm sure you can get one hell of a player for that, but there is only Mbappe at that price point so they'll have to sign a few and you arent guaranteed to get the return in Goal contributions that Salah will.   You could spend that on 2 or 3 players and not necessarily be as good as if he was in it for the next 2 years.

[The Prophet]

1 hour ago, TheBrownBottle said:

They’re prioritising because clearly those ludicrously inflated fees have a negative effect on NUFC, given they’re handing money to our rivals. 
 

It’s their money and it makes sense they’d prioritise their own teams, tbf. 

 

PIF owns around $700 billion worth of assets, I'd be surprised if there's much joined-up thinking from project to project.

 

More importantly we've seen with LIV Golf and the Saudi league, they don't fuck around. PIF want us to be number one, that means they'll provide the finances for the best academy, training facilities, infrastructure, staff and players. They won't be worrying about what everyone else is doing. They'll have huge ambitions for both us and their own domestic league.

 

Anyway, let's see to what extent they're prioritising their domestic league over NUFC.

 

Man City - Around £50 million on two players

Arsenal - N/A

Man United - Around £5 million on one player 

Liverpool - Around £50 million on three players 

Chelsea - Around £35 million on three players 

Spurs - N/A

Villa - N/A

Brighton - N/A

 

It's marginally helped the wage bill of three clubs who would be doing absolutely fine regardless.

 

When you consider they've plough £350 million in to the first team alone, them prioritising their domestic league just doesn't stack up.

 

 

Edited September 5, 2023 by The Prophet

[Menace]

The Saudi league wasn't really relevant before this season though was it.  So that £350m figure is cherry picking. Getting Henderson and Fabinho off Liverpool's wage bill and potentially Salah also if it does happen and gifting them north of £250m to a direct rival whilst we have FFP to worry about could be huge down the line.

[TheBrownBottle]

2 hours ago, Jaqen said:

 

People said they were bailing Chelsea out but Arsenal and Man United gave them £120m for Mount with one year on his contract and Havertz. Even we will give them £30m for Hall. 

 

Fair enough if the pay that fee for Salah it will benefit Liverpool in the long term but it definitely lowers there chance at top 4 this season. 

 

Their aim is to make Newcatle the biggest club in Europe and I don't think they will ever hold back from spending as much as they are financially allowed to make that happen. 

You’re comparing market figures for those players with the inflated fees and wages being offered by clubs in KSA. 

 

No European club is going to offer anything like what is being offered for Salah, given his age

[Conjo]

41 minutes ago, Menace said:

The Saudi league wasn't really relevant before this season though was it.

 

Still isn't, and will be completely off the media & football fans picture in a week when their transfer window closes.

[TheBrownBottle]

2 hours ago, The Prophet said:

 

PIF owns around $700 billion worth of assets, I'd be surprised if there's much joined-up thinking from project to project.

 

More importantly we've seen with LIV Golf and the Saudi league, they don't fuck around. PIF want us to be number one, that means they'll provide the finances for the best academy, training facilities, infrastructure, staff and players. They won't be worrying about what everyone else is doing. They'll have huge ambitions for both us and their own domestic league.

 

Anyway, let's see to what extent they're prioritising their domestic league over NUFC.

 

Man City - Around £50 million on two players

Arsenal - N/A

Man United - Around £5 million on one player 

Liverpool - Around £50 million on three players 

Chelsea - Around £35 million on three players 

Spurs - N/A

Villa - N/A

Brighton - N/A

 

It's marginally helped the wage bill of three clubs who would be doing absolutely fine regardless.

 

When you consider they've plough £350 million in to the first team alone, them prioritising their domestic league just doesn't stack up.

 

 

 

They haven’t ploughed £350m into the first team, though.  The club brings in money, too.  I’m sure the numbers will be out there re cash put in, but it won’t be close to £350m.  

[Jaqen]

47 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

You’re comparing market figures for those players with the inflated fees and wages being offered by clubs in KSA. 

 

No European club is going to offer anything like what is being offered for Salah, given his age

 

Obviously the Salah fee is going to be ridiculous there's no getting away from that. The wages part doesn't really effect us at all though, it's not like they're paying Saudi league players those salaries at the expense of Newcastle. 

 

I just don't agree that them buying the likes of Jordan Henderson is them prioritising their own league over us. Even with Salah I doubt they think that effects their ambition for us at all. It's not like they are just handing over £200m to them for nowt either they are taking away their best player with the transfer window closed. Fairly certain Klopp would rather keep him and sell him in the summer. 

[TheBrownBottle]

2 hours ago, Jaqen said:

 

Obviously the Salah fee is going to be ridiculous there's no getting away from that. The wages part doesn't really effect us at all though, it's not like they're paying Saudi league players those salaries at the expense of Newcastle. 

 

I just don't agree that them buying the likes of Jordan Henderson is them prioritising their own league over us. Even with Salah I doubt they think that effects their ambition for us at all. It's not like they are just handing over £200m to them for nowt either they are taking away their best player with the transfer window closed. Fairly certain Klopp would rather keep him and sell him in the summer. 

Tbf I don’t think they’re doing it deliberately - but we are suffering from a negative externality as a result.

 

I also think it would be reasonable for them to prioritise the KSA league - it’s their money, after all.

 

That doesn’t mean that they’re actively seeking to harm us - I don’t doubt that they want this to be a success. 

[Froggy]

Call me crazy but I think Salah is still incredible and one of the best players in the world. I wouldn't sell him even for £215m. Even with a year left on his contract they'll like get £130m+ so I'd be holding on to him and making plans of how to spend that money next summer and sell him then.