mouldy_uk Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 3 hours ago, Jack27 said: Come on now, a Saudi Arabian club will never play in any major European competition I never dreamt that Australia would be in the Eurovision Song Contest, but it happened Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 There’s already non-European teams playing in UEFA competition. I don’t think Saudi will want to compete in the champions league though. They can host their own competition(s) where KSA take all the money and not UEFA. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brummie Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 (edited) UEFA won't let it happen because they'll realise it's an existential threat to put Saudi teams into European competition (not to mention ethical questions, which i am sure will come to the fore, but they're not going to do anything to jeopardise the $$$). It's not in anyway a geographical question. Edited July 24, 2023 by brummie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NobbySolano Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 Just now, brummie said: UEFA won't let it happen because they'll realise it's an existential threat to put Saudi teams into European competition (not to mention ethical questions, which i am sure will come to the fore, but they're not going to do anything to jeopardise the $$$). Its the opposite actually. Ask the PGA how that worked out. For those that dont know the background. PIF just wanted to be involved, get some recognition (and btw thats all they want, respect. Money they already have). PGA told them to fuck off. Several times. PIF went and created LIV and now they own their ass - its an embarrassment how poorly it was managed. if UEFA is presented with a viable option to include PIF, share in the money, and keep them as minority players then they should do it. Because if PIF gets told to fuck off they will find a way to destroy UEFA or take it over. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decky Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 Do people not know that Israeli teams play in UEFA competitions, as well as the national team? The door is definitely not closed on Saudi teams joining. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 7 minutes ago, NobbySolano said: Its the opposite actually. Ask the PGA how that worked out. For those that dont know the background. PIF just wanted to be involved, get some recognition (and btw thats all they want, respect. Money they already have). PGA told them to fuck off. Several times. PIF went and created LIV and now they own their ass - its an embarrassment how poorly it was managed. if UEFA is presented with a viable option to include PIF, share in the money, and keep them as minority players then they should do it. Because if PIF gets told to fuck off they will find a way to destroy UEFA or take it over. I think it’s already too late. Buying us was that ‘being involved’ part. But as soon as we were bought, the already tight rules were tightened. And the direction of travel is to prevent NUFC becoming a force. Now if they persist. They’ll create a number of super teams for their league. Then they can start inviting elite European clubs for competitions. The elite clubs already want a super competition. UEFA will have to bend the knee but I don’t think it will be for KSA teams to join the CL. Saudi will want to own the competition primarily. A new one (maybe even two) elite club competition. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 4 minutes ago, Decky said: Do people not know that Israeli teams play in UEFA competitions, as well as the national team? The door is definitely not closed on Saudi teams joining. I genuinely think a lot of people don’t know that Israel is not in Europe. Ashkenazi people are largely European ancestrally too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timeEd32 Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 46 minutes ago, NobbySolano said: Its the opposite actually. Ask the PGA how that worked out. For those that dont know the background. PIF just wanted to be involved, get some recognition (and btw thats all they want, respect. Money they already have). PGA told them to fuck off. Several times. PIF went and created LIV and now they own their ass - its an embarrassment how poorly it was managed. if UEFA is presented with a viable option to include PIF, share in the money, and keep them as minority players then they should do it. Because if PIF gets told to fuck off they will find a way to destroy UEFA or take it over. Agreed, there was an interview not long ago where the UEFA president laughed at a question about being concerned with what Saudi Arabia is doing. That's a dangerous attitude to be sharing openly. The one thing that may keep the Saudis at bay is FIFA clearly wants to elevate the Club World Cup and Saudi Arabia's end game (presumably) is to host a World Cup, so they need to keep FIFA on their side (not to mention the pull UEFA has with FIFA). There's no doubt going to be some interesting backroom dealing happening here. Saudi Arabia (and potentially other non-European nations / confederations) conspiring with FIFA to make the Club World Cup bigger than the Champions League seems like one potential path. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 4 hours ago, Mazzy said: This Mbappe deal (if it happens) will be the last straw for UEFA. They will need to do something quickly to stop their precious Champions League assests from leaving. It's not going to be long now until FFP gets scrapped. Which obviously would be great news for us and 7 other teams in the Prem but not so good for the other 12. Not sure like. Wolves and Everton would be better off without FFP you'd imagine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrRaspberryJam Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 PSG accepted Mbappe bid. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toon25 Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 He'll go imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 4 minutes ago, mrraspberryjam said: PSG accepted Mbappe bid. Imagine if they turned 259m down lol. Whether Mbappe agrees we shall see. It is one year that will set up his grandkid's grandikids and then he will just move to Real Madrid. Would be shocked if he said no. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 Makes you wonder what PIF would spend on us if they had no FFP to get around. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufcnick Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 (edited) 4D chess moment here, could this will be a PIF ploy to get UEFA and the Premier League to scrap FFP, to help us dominate for decades, as someone has said the last thing The PL and UEFA want is the cash cow stars driving off into the Saudi sunset Edited July 24, 2023 by nufcnick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 Interesting that the Qataris would accept a bid from the Saudis. May not have happened at all several years ago. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 3 minutes ago, nufcnick said: 4D chess moment here, could this will be a PIF ploy to get UEFA and the Premier League to scrap FFP, to help us dominate for decades, as someone has said the last thing The PL and UEFA want is the cash cow stars driving off into the Saudi sunset Nah, they just want one of the biggest and best players in the world to promote them, nowt to do with us imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mouldy_uk Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 Pieces for Mbappe to move to us the following season all falling into place Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miggys First Goal Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 (edited) $776M salary for one year. Absolutely outrageous. Edited July 24, 2023 by Miggys First Goal Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toon25 Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 So they're offering him a one year deal? Or is that essentially a loan fee and his contract would remain with PSG? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 25 minutes ago, timeEd32 said: Agreed, there was an interview not long ago where the UEFA president laughed at a question about being concerned with what Saudi Arabia is doing. That's a dangerous attitude to be sharing openly. The one thing that may keep the Saudis at bay is FIFA clearly wants to elevate the Club World Cup and Saudi Arabia's end game (presumably) is to host a World Cup, so they need to keep FIFA on their side (not to mention the pull UEFA has with FIFA). There's no doubt going to be some interesting backroom dealing happening here. Saudi Arabia (and potentially other non-European nations / confederations) conspiring with FIFA to make the Club World Cup bigger than the Champions League seems like one potential path. Hosting a World Cup is short-sighted. The end game should be to have the premier club competition. If not the Saudi league, a competition involving Saudi teams. Logistics limits the wider appeal of a club world cup. It has to be in the summer or winter but that's a short amount of time. But i think that could be a short-term measure. La Liga already plays a Super Cup competition in KSA. Why not have another small competition with the Saudi teams during Christmas + the La Liga teams? Then slowly expand that competition. I think the end game is a year-round competition involving Saudi teams that runs alongside domestic league competitions. I think that starts with changing the Spanish Super Cup to include KSA teams. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 9 minutes ago, Deuce said: Interesting that the Qataris would accept a bid from the Saudis. May not have happened at all several years ago. PSG still have to play the FFP game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 Sounds like everyone wins. PSG get a massive lumper, Real still get him for free next summer, Mbappe hits the jackpot and still gets his Real move in 12 months and the Saudis get one of the biggest names in the business. For all of those reasons it'll probably happen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sima Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 4 hours ago, Hanshithispantz said: Seems entirely unnecessary to offer 300m like Like when you money cheat on FM and just choose the bottom number on the drop-down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slim Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 1 hour ago, NobbySolano said: Its the opposite actually. Ask the PGA how that worked out. For those that dont know the background. PIF just wanted to be involved, get some recognition (and btw thats all they want, respect. Money they already have). PGA told them to fuck off. Several times. PIF went and created LIV and now they own their ass - its an embarrassment how poorly it was managed. if UEFA is presented with a viable option to include PIF, share in the money, and keep them as minority players then they should do it. Because if PIF gets told to fuck off they will find a way to destroy UEFA or take it over. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionOfGosforth Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 Wonder if Liverpool and Spurs are ok with the transfer fee, need to make sure of that first, could end any deal if they're at all irritated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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