Kid Icarus Posted September 9, 2023 Share Posted September 9, 2023 Nowhere near imo. Shevchenko, Veron, and Mudryk all come to mind before him and loads more if I sat and thought about it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted September 9, 2023 Share Posted September 9, 2023 He's definetly up there considering he's one of the PLs most expensive signing. Other recent additions have to be Lukaku to Chelsea, Havertz to Chelsea, Maguire, Antony and Kepa. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbandit Posted September 9, 2023 Share Posted September 9, 2023 Think it’s too early to be saying much about Mudryk. Think it’s been extremely difficult to look remotely good playing for Chelsea in the last 12-18 months. Both them and Man U are fascinating. It shows how much ownership matters and having the right structures in place as both clubs are incredibly toxic in different ways Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Duper Branko Strupar Posted September 9, 2023 Share Posted September 9, 2023 Maybe fee wise, but not ability/expectation wise. Even though he was gash. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Duper Branko Strupar Posted September 9, 2023 Share Posted September 9, 2023 Free?! Fuck me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astroblack Posted September 9, 2023 Share Posted September 9, 2023 Pepe’s numbers were good. Think he had good numbers in France last season, too. Set up the winning goal in the 2020 FA Cup final. It was either Arteta not trusting him in the system he was creating or the emergence of Saka. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toon25 Posted September 9, 2023 Share Posted September 9, 2023 No doubt that Pepe is up there in the top 5 pound for pound shit PL signings of all time. Fucking crap. At the very least, Veron and Shevchenko had some pedigree behind them. Murdryk, I dare say, might well be up there in a year or two. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pata Posted September 9, 2023 Share Posted September 9, 2023 I don’t think Mudryk should be on any list yet after six months in that circus. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 7 hours ago, Pata said: I don’t think Mudryk should be on any list yet after six months in that circus. Aye. He's played 700 minutes at a deeply unsettled club. Absolutely silly to have him anywhere near an all time PL flop list. I'd say given the money, Sancho is a worse flop than Pepe as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucasol Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 9 hours ago, The Prophet said: He's definetly up there considering he's one of the PLs most expensive signing. Other recent additions have to be Lukaku to Chelsea, Havertz to Chelsea, Maguire, Antony and Kepa. Pogba for the cost as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronson333 Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 10 hours ago, Astroblack said: Pepe’s numbers were good. Think he had good numbers in France last season, too. Set up the winning goal in the 2020 FA Cup final. It was either Arteta not trusting him in the system he was creating or the emergence of Saka. Yeah he scored 16 in 80 as a winger in the PL, not amazing but also definitely not the biggest flop either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronson333 Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 1 hour ago, Froggy said: Aye. He's played 700 minutes at a deeply unsettled club. Absolutely silly to have him anywhere near an all time PL flop list. I'd say given the money, Sancho is a worse flop than Pepe as well. I would say Antony is on course to be worse than both of them Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 Just now, Ronson333 said: I would say Antony is on course to be worse than both of them Certainly. Too early just yet though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucasol Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 6 minutes ago, Ronson333 said: Yeah he scored 16 in 80 as a winger in the PL, not amazing but also definitely not the biggest flop either. I think it was the fact Arsenal went full Seth Johnson wages with the fee. They apparently launched a full internal investigation into it. On Mudryk, he will be a monster flop. Odd Todd tried to show he’s got the biggest balls and it’ll backfire spectacularly on so many of their signings. In 10 years Chelsea will be in textbooks somewhere about business mismanagement. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 3 minutes ago, Froggy said: Certainly. Too early just yet though. Will Ten Haag ever try to coach him to actually run forward and create something. The guy has so much to his game except actually trying to go for goal. Perfect player if you’re up 2-0 and just want to keep possession as he’ll do his fullback only to run back and pass it back again. Expected so much from him after his time at Ajax, but guy looks clueless after he has beat his man. Must be frustrating as a Man U supporter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 2 minutes ago, Flip said: Will Ten Haag ever try to coach him to actually run forward and create something. The guy has so much to his game except actually trying to go for goal. Perfect player if you’re up 2-0 and just want to keep possession as he’ll do his fullback only to run back and pass it back again. Expected so much from him after his time at Ajax, but guy looks clueless after he has beat his man. Must be frustrating as a Man U supporter. He's a greedy bastard. Always trying to cut inside and shoot. He did show signs the last couple of games of going to the byline and crossing in which was a welcome sight, but aye, one of the most frustrating players we've ever had. Very unlikeable as well. Typical Brazilian Flip. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrRaspberryJam Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 (edited) 12 hours ago, Kid Icarus said: Nowhere near imo. Shevchenko, Veron, and Mudryk all come to mind before him and loads more if I sat and thought about it. Mourinho didn’t want Shevchenko though iirc? Did he not shunt him out wide at times with him already having Drogba up top? Not denying he flopped btw, just looking for excuses for one of my favourite players growing up. Edited September 10, 2023 by MrRaspberryJam Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 22 minutes ago, Froggy said: He's a greedy bastard. Always trying to cut inside and shoot. He did show signs the last couple of games of going to the byline and crossing in which was a welcome sight, but aye, one of the most frustrating players we've ever had. Being a greedy bastard is not my view at all. Actually the opposite, he’s extremely unselfish. He’ll take a needless shot or twice a game from outside the box but, so will half your team as its poorly managed and lacks ideas offensively, that doesn’t however make him selfish. His biggest problem is that I don’t think he’s an intelligent player nor has he learnt the basics of the 11 v 11 football. He has the technique, speed, work rate to succeed but think it was Shaka Hislop that put it perfectly after the WC defeat to Croatia when he said he’s never seen a player beat his man so easily so many times and yet not actually do anything. He’ll basically dribble the opponent, get to the byline and then let the defender recover and pass it back. Needs a proper manager to coach him the basics if he ”survives” the things he’s being accused of. As for being unlikeable, there are a few non-Brazilians in your squad that are on the same level if not worse. Starting with your fraudulent manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingxlnc Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 39 minutes ago, Nucasol said: I think it was the fact Arsenal went full Seth Johnson wages with the fee. They apparently launched a full internal investigation into it. On Mudryk, he will be a monster flop. Odd Todd tried to show he’s got the biggest balls and it’ll backfire spectacularly on so many of their signings. In 10 years Chelsea will be in textbooks somewhere about business mismanagement. Great point. I think they've tried to do the whole modern day investment thing of throwing lots of money at different things, expecting most to flop but hoping the winners have such a big upside it pays for all the flops too Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingxlnc Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 40 minutes ago, Flip said: Will Ten Haag ever try to coach him to actually run forward and create something. The guy has so much to his game except actually trying to go for goal. Perfect player if you’re up 2-0 and just want to keep possession as he’ll do his fullback only to run back and pass it back again. Expected so much from him after his time at Ajax, but guy looks clueless after he has beat his man. Must be frustrating as a Man U supporter. He's basically an expensive version of Obertan but with a party trick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 8 minutes ago, kingxlnc said: He's basically an expensive version of Obertan but with a party trick Obertan was slightly more likeable, so I will give him the edge. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 11 minutes ago, Flip said: Being a greedy bastard is not my view at all. Actually the opposite, he’s extremely unselfish. He’ll take a needless shot or twice a game from outside the box but, so will half your team as its poorly managed and lacks ideas offensively, that doesn’t however make him selfish. Your view is wrong. He's a selfish player. Maybe not for Brazil but certainly for us. There's often overlapping runs or Bruno Fernandes who's the most creative player in the league waiting for the ball and Antony will shoot instead from an impossible angle. We don't lack ideas offensively either. We just don't have a striker. Haven't for a long time now. As said above we have Bruno Fernandes who created more chances and big chances than anyone else and had the highest xA in the league last season, but didn't have a striker on the end of the chances. Hojlund has shown more in 20 minutes than Weghorst did in 30 appearances. Give me Obertan over Antony. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 2 minutes ago, Froggy said: Your view is wrong. He's a selfish player. Maybe not for Brazil but certainly for us. There's often overlapping runs or Bruno Fernandes who's the most creative player in the league waiting for the ball and Antony will shoot instead from an impossible angle. We don't lack ideas offensively either. We just don't have a striker. Haven't for a long time now. As said above we have Bruno Fernandes who created more chances and big chances than anyone else and had the highest xA in the league last season, but didn't have a striker on the end of the chances. Hojlund has shown more in 20 minutes than Weghorst did in 30 appearances. Give me Obertan over Antony. Froggy, you’re delusional. xG loverboy. Of all the decent sides Man U had the worst non-penalty xG in the league last season (6th). Ten Haag is shit, so is Antony. Agree with the last sentence though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 2 minutes ago, Flip said: Of all the decent sides Man U had the worst non-penalty xG in the league last season (6th) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgarve Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 I think Antony- if not suspended or impeded by these actions ( which looks likely ) - might come good. He reminds me a lot of Almiron, don’t think he’s anywhere near as bad as people make out. @Froggy I disagree with you even I think he’s better than you make out Man United as a whole don’t look in a bad way , all their signings have been upgraded on their other players and they finished 3rd and won a cup last season and made another cup final If this striker works and stays fit it will transform them he looks very good Theres some delusion amongst newcastle fans about man United. I think it will be close who finishes higher between us and them… The negative in man Uniteds side is the fact Wan bissaka starts for them and they are an injury away from Maguire / Evans / Dalot / Reguilon… Mctominay is way better than he is made out to be and would probably start half the games for us if we had signed him Don’t think Evans/ Maguire as 4/5th choice is worse than Lascelles and Dummet, in fact it’s better Onana is better than Pope in the modern game he’s a very good signing Mount for me leaves a lot in question, him coming good could be a big part in where Man U finish, where Tonali and Isak for us will also Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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