JLC Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 8 hours ago, huss9 said: i reckon Cox would have been up there if he hadnt spat his dummy out - or maybe there was more to it. too young to remember what actually happened but i was gutted. Arthur must stay, hello ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superior Acuña Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 4 minutes ago, The Prophet said: I thought "Rafa was no better than Bruce" was quite a commonly held view by the das. I thought among other club’s das but now our own das. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Spaceman Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 59 minutes ago, Superior Acuña said: Liverpool have a good flag of their manager greats - on which Rafa features, incidentally I wonder if their 'east stand' sits and tuts at the lack of PFM Graeme Souness on the flag Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 4 hours ago, BUJ said: You know Bruce over 2 seasons was statistically as good/bad as Rafa? Rafa was nothing but a chancer. Statistically as big a chancer as Bruce was. I don’t want to pile on, but this is a dreadful post. Imagine being so clueless you’d even make that comparison. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
huss9 Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 Rafa started by getting the defence sorted and making us hard to beat. He then let the brake off and that last few months was CL qualification form. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_R Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 (edited) Rafa took a shit team and made it good, Bruce took that same good team and made it shit. Yes the points per game or whatever may look similar when averaged over their tenures, but the trajectories they had us on were completely opposite. Edited April 1 by Chris_R Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danh1 Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 Mad how anyone can have a negative view of Benitez. One of a handful of people of the Ashley era that deserve any credit or respect. Comparing him to Bruce as well, the fat wanker who benefited from the solidity Rafa built only to steadily tear it away. In the meantime ostracising the likes of Schar. Not to mention Bruce being backed far more. It’s like comparing Mother Theresa and Anders Brevik. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UncleBingo Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 5 hours ago, BUJ said: You know Bruce over 2 seasons was statistically as good/bad as Rafa? Rafa was nothing but a chancer. Statistically as big a chancer as Bruce was. Rafa - inherited a team in the relegation zone and left them as an established PL team, after a negative net spend. Bruce - inherited an established PL team and left them firmly in the relegation zone, despite a £100m net spend. Context is everything. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paully Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 10 minutes ago, UncleBingo said: Rafa - inherited a team in the relegation zone and left them as an established PL team, after a negative net spend. Bruce - inherited an established PL team and left them firmly in the relegation zone, despite a £100m net spend. Context is everything. It’s insane mate - I’ve no idea why I reply to idiotic posts! Without Rafa there, was no takeover and certainly no League Cup trophy! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUJ Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 2 hours ago, Ronaldo said: I don’t want to pile on, but this is a dreadful post. Imagine being so clueless you’d even make that comparison. Statistically I'm correct in my analysis. Bot turned out turgid dogshit football. Rafa v City when e threw in the towel at the first whistle was the most disgusting tactic I've ever seen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteV Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 15 minutes ago, BUJ said: Statistically I'm correct in my analysis. Bot turned out turgid dogshit football. Rafa v City when e threw in the towel at the first whistle was the most disgusting tactic I've ever seen. Statistically, Bruce was a bit worse. Contextually… Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 29 minutes ago, BUJ said: Statistically I'm correct in my analysis. Bot turned out turgid dogshit football. Rafa v City when e threw in the towel at the first whistle was the most disgusting tactic I've ever seen. At least there was a tactic. We nearly got a result in that game n'all. Given we had Elliot, Dummett, Manquillo, Aarons and Joselu in the side, maybe we should've been more gung ho. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superior Acuña Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 34 minutes ago, BUJ said: Statistically I'm correct in my analysis. Bot turned out turgid dogshit football. Rafa v City when e threw in the towel at the first whistle was the most disgusting tactic I've ever seen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Yorkie said: At least there was a tactic. We nearly got a result in that game n'all. Given we had Elliot, Dummett, Manquillo, Aarons and Joselu in the side, maybe we should've been more gung ho. Beat them and drew with them (unlucky not to win) in the other games at home to Man City. With that team. Edited April 1 by Jonas Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nemtizz Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 Watching football with your eyes seems to be a lost art. Either that or it's Alex in disguise. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theregulars Posted April 2 Share Posted April 2 10 hours ago, BUJ said: Statistically I'm correct in my analysis. Bot turned out turgid dogshit football. Rafa v City when e threw in the towel at the first whistle was the most disgusting tactic I've ever seen. You are of course right, these tactics against the same opposition were far better: Statistically you have dildos for hands Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andycap Posted April 2 Share Posted April 2 I liked our football under benitez we never looked disorganised our defenders could actually defend and I never worried when we used to see out games. Still our best tactician if you ask me out of all the managers we've had. Soon as we started adding a bit of quality too the side you could see the improvement. Just wish he got the 100m to spend not the pigeon lady. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted April 2 Share Posted April 2 5 minutes ago, andycap said: I liked our football under benitez we never looked disorganised our defenders could actually defend and I never worried when we used to see out games. Still our best tactician if you ask me out of all the managers we've had. Soon as we started adding a bit of quality too the side you could see the improvement. Just wish he got the 100m to spend not the pigeon lady. Was going to argue about the best tactician part, but there's a good argument for it tbf. His methods are best suited to cup KO competitions, too many draws likely for a league format, but he did know how to set his side out perfectly for what he was trying to do. If he had quality across the pitch to work with it would look pretty formidable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted April 2 Share Posted April 2 (edited) Rafa Benitez net spend: ~£3.65m Steve Bruce net spend: ~£125m I'm not a mathematician so can someone please help me work out who did better with the resources they had? Edited April 2 by Kid Icarus Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theregulars Posted April 2 Share Posted April 2 58 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said: Rafa Benitez net spend: ~£3.65m Steve Bruce net spend: ~£125m I'm not a mathematician so can someone please help me work out who did better with the resources they had? But is your analysis correct statistically Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mondonewc Posted April 2 Share Posted April 2 Maybe I'm wrong but don't think @BUJintention is to be a wind-up merchant, so think it's a bit over the top for 20+ people to be so heavy handed in their response. Regards the statistic point I assume he was referring to this stat for their respective first 50 PL games each: Steve Bruce – 16 wins, 13 draws and 21 losses Rafa Benitez – 15 wins, 13 draws and 22 losses You can add caveats to negate this, but his point about comparing their stats is true, and people manipulate stats to make their own point every minute of every day, so he's factually correct regards that. The other point he made, for me, is a completely wild take, but to be honest, for me it's not as wild as Yorkie's post saying he has more affection for Benitez than Howe, I think that's nuts, but didn't see any reason to comment on it, it's his opinion, and whilst it's mindblowing to me, he's obviously entitled to have a completely different opinion to me. Regards Benitez, I never had anywhere near as much love for him as most other fans did, for one the style of play was awful, but mostly I felt he was a master with the media and manipulating fans by saying the right things at the right times to keep them onside, something Bruce was abysmal at, but I never felt Benitez was 100% genuine in his love for us and the club. I could be way off the mark there, feel free to berate me if you wish, but preferrably just two or three of yous, not twenty please Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robster Posted April 2 Share Posted April 2 BUJ thinks they are being zany and funny. Internet/Forum trolling is not zany and is not funny in the slightest. It's pitiful. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted April 2 Share Posted April 2 I love a good stat as much as the next man, but i still fucking trust my eyes. Forgetting the getting us up from the championship first attempt (by no means guaranteed, plenty clubs have sunk), but once he worked out his team that 3-4-3 with lejeune, lascelles schar at the back we were playing good stuff. After a tough first half of the season second half things had begun to click. I'm not going to engage overly with the troll, but the Rafa years were so much better than what was to follow, pull as many stats as you want, I watched those games and i watched us under bruce, I can tell the fucking difference. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted April 2 Share Posted April 2 1 hour ago, Kid Icarus said: Rafa Benitez net spend: ~£3.65m Steve Bruce net spend: ~£125m I'm not a mathematician so can someone please help me work out who did better with the resources they had? The first one inherited a Championship bound team and turned it into a mid-table PL team on a shoestring. The other took over a comfortable mid-table PL team, spent a fair bit, and was taking us back into a Championship bound team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shays Given Tim Flowers Posted April 2 Share Posted April 2 16 minutes ago, mondonewc said: I never felt Benitez was 100% genuine in his love for us and the club. I could be way off the mark there, feel free to berate me if you wish, but preferrably just two or three of yous, not twenty please Even when he stayed post relegation? Just cannot agree. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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