Deuce Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 The fact it's taking so long makes me think the aim isn't to do a man city. If the aim was to splash the cash we wouldn't be at a stand off for so long over £50m or whatever. Well I don’t think that’s necessarily the case either. You don’t get to be *that* rich by throwing your money around willy-nilly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
number9shirt Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 The fact it's taking so long makes me think the aim isn't to do a man city. If the aim was to splash the cash we wouldn't be at a stand off for so long over £50m or whatever. It’s been said on numerous occasions that it won’t be a Man City style ownership. It's also been said numerous times, just because (if) they have a lot of money why should they pay more than something is worth? You don't buy a £250k house for £300k because the current owner is being a t***, no matter how much money you have. If you do pay £300k for a house worth £250k & Mike Ashley is the owner he then thinks maybe you are willing to pay £350 or £400k, maybe someone else will pay £500k. Moving the goalposts is Mike's M.O. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarrenBartonCentrePartin Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 Could literally give a f*** if we "do a Man City" - I just want us to at least be putting out a competitive team with a winning mentality. I want to see us do some damage in the cups too. So you don't want us to "do a Man City"? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 Nar nar nar Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackie Broon Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 I’m still holding on to the theory that the deal is done and we’re securing transfer targets behind the scenes, whilst feeding the press with negative misinformation about the takeover, to give us a better bargaining position on transfer fees. This adds up for me because I’m convinced that Rafa would be more clearly unhappy at the situation if we really were where we are reported to be with transfers, as he was in the summer and last January. I don’t buy that he is waiting for funds to become available. I can’t see PCP (or whoever they represent) buying the club half way through the window leaving us with a couple of weeks to do all of our business from scratch. Realistically, that’s not going to work out, it doesn’t add up that PCP would take that risk. The takeover has probably either already happened behind the scenes or it’s not happening unless and until we’re safe. If it’s the latter, Rafa would be publically pushing harder for funds from Ashley. I think the actual situation is either really good: takeover is done but being kept quiet until transfers are done, or really bad: the takeover will only happen when/if we’re mathematically safe (and even then Ashley would probably bump up the price and screw it up). What makes me think the good theory is more likely than the bad is the holding company. The press response that Staveley has many business interests and therefore establishes new companies all the time is bullshit, a quick search on Companies House shows that is not the case. It’s too much of a coincidence and, logically, seems likely that it would only be done if a deal is essentially complete. I wait to be proved wrong when the window slams shut and we’ve only singed Shefki Kuqi on loan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altamullan Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 Its more fun when you win the league on teamwork togetherness and a bit of luck, than just buying titles. Leicester city will never likely win the title ever again, but they did it in the best way and most memorable. Man City will pick up their third title this year. I know which I would prefer. Support City then?? Or Celtic ? If the alternative was Leicester then I’d snap your hand off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
morla84 Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 The fact it's taking so long makes me think the aim isn't to do a man city. If the aim was to splash the cash we wouldn't be at a stand off for so long over £50m or whatever. It’s been said on numerous occasions that it won’t be a Man City style ownership. It's also been said numerous times, just because (if) they have a lot of money why should they pay more than something is worth? You don't buy a £250k house for £300k because the current owner is being a t***, no matter how much money you have. I once bought a ticket for a gig that was only worth £50 for £75 off eBay, because I had the money and really wanted to go to the gig. Supply and demand. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ElCid Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 The fact it's taking so long makes me think the aim isn't to do a man city. If the aim was to splash the cash we wouldn't be at a stand off for so long over £50m or whatever. It’s been said on numerous occasions that it won’t be a Man City style ownership. It's also been said numerous times, just because (if) they have a lot of money why should they pay more than something is worth? You don't buy a £250k house for £300k because the current owner is being a t***, no matter how much money you have. I once bought a ticket for a gig that was only worth £50 for £75 off eBay, because I had the money and really wanted to go to the gig. Supply and demand. Bit of a difference between 25 quid and 50 million especially when you could lose that 50 million plus probably up to another 50 million plus in the space of 5 months. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 Does Dave know more than he is letting on? For obvious reasons I don’t expect him to divulge any itk craic. Absolutely not. I just can't for the life of me see it getting this far and not going through. Both parties want to deal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timeEd32 Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 The fact it's taking so long makes me think the aim isn't to do a man city. If the aim was to splash the cash we wouldn't be at a stand off for so long over £50m or whatever. It’s been said on numerous occasions that it won’t be a Man City style ownership. It's also been said numerous times, just because (if) they have a lot of money why should they pay more than something is worth? You don't buy a £250k house for £300k because the current owner is being a t***, no matter how much money you have. I once bought a ticket for a gig that was only worth £50 for £75 off eBay, because I had the money and really wanted to go to the gig. Supply and demand. As far as we're aware the only demand is coming from PCP. Not even the richest person in the world would want to pay an extra 50m for something when they are bidding against themselves. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
morla84 Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 The fact it's taking so long makes me think the aim isn't to do a man city. If the aim was to splash the cash we wouldn't be at a stand off for so long over £50m or whatever. It’s been said on numerous occasions that it won’t be a Man City style ownership. It's also been said numerous times, just because (if) they have a lot of money why should they pay more than something is worth? You don't buy a £250k house for £300k because the current owner is being a t***, no matter how much money you have. I once bought a ticket for a gig that was only worth £50 for £75 off eBay, because I had the money and really wanted to go to the gig. Supply and demand. As far as we're aware the only demand is coming from PCP. Not even the richest person in the world would want to pay an extra 50m for something when they are bidding against themselves. PSG paid Neymars €222m release clause? Surely that's at least 50m more than he's worth, and i don't think anyone else was bidding. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 The fact it's taking so long makes me think the aim isn't to do a man city. If the aim was to splash the cash we wouldn't be at a stand off for so long over £50m or whatever. It’s been said on numerous occasions that it won’t be a Man City style ownership. It's also been said numerous times, just because (if) they have a lot of money why should they pay more than something is worth? You don't buy a £250k house for £300k because the current owner is being a t***, no matter how much money you have. I once bought a ticket for a gig that was only worth £50 for £75 off eBay, because I had the money and really wanted to go to the gig. Supply and demand. As far as we're aware the only demand is coming from PCP. Not even the richest person in the world would want to pay an extra 50m for something when they are bidding against themselves. PSG paid Neymars €222m release clause? Surely that's at least 50m more than he's worth, and i don't think anyone else was bidding. Because Barcelona wouldn't sell for anything less than that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 I'd love it if we did a Man City, don't understand why some don't. The morals behind some of the sources of wealth over in the Middle East perhaps? Though I'd take just competent business people who may not be the richest but allow the club to at least try and maximise its potential. However the main thing is getting that fat fucking cunt out of our club. It's about maintaining your identity. Man City certainly haven't kept theirs. Are any of their supporters complaining? Genuine question. I know it's easy to take the traditional supporter line, but they are a massive worldwide club now, winning trophies with the whole of English football wanking over the football they play. I wonder how many of their fans are wishing it was like the old days? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 I'd love it if we did a Man City, don't understand why some don't. The morals behind some of the sources of wealth over in the Middle East perhaps? Though I'd take just competent business people who may not be the richest but allow the club to at least try and maximise its potential. However the main thing is getting that fat fucking cunt out of our club. It's about maintaining your identity. Man City certainly haven't kept theirs. Are any of their supporters complaining? Genuine question. I know it's easy to take the traditional supporter line, but they are a massive worldwide club now, winning trophies with the whole of English football wanking over the football they play. I wonder how many of their fans are wishing it was like the old days? Haven't got a clue if they are connected or not, but the fact that they are struggling to sell out the Etihad surely isn't a good sign? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 Whoa, haven't checked this thread since late afternoon and suddenly everybody is convinced it's happening and it's just a question of will we do a Man City or not... What's happened in the meantime? Anything concrete, or has somebody slipped LSD in the water supply in the North East tonight? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timeEd32 Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 The fact it's taking so long makes me think the aim isn't to do a man city. If the aim was to splash the cash we wouldn't be at a stand off for so long over £50m or whatever. It’s been said on numerous occasions that it won’t be a Man City style ownership. It's also been said numerous times, just because (if) they have a lot of money why should they pay more than something is worth? You don't buy a £250k house for £300k because the current owner is being a t***, no matter how much money you have. I once bought a ticket for a gig that was only worth £50 for £75 off eBay, because I had the money and really wanted to go to the gig. Supply and demand. As far as we're aware the only demand is coming from PCP. Not even the richest person in the world would want to pay an extra 50m for something when they are bidding against themselves. PSG paid Neymars €222m release clause? Surely that's at least 50m more than he's worth, and i don't think anyone else was bidding. That's an entirely different scenario and not really relevant. There is no release clause for the club, there is no deadline to buy/sell clubs, and (presumably) Ashley wants to sell the club. Also there are a number of complicating factors, most notably the fact that the value of the club could be cut in half in five months for what is, from a business perspective, an arbitrary reason. If I had to guess I'd say the two sides aren't 50m apart in isolation. I'm guessing it's more a gap in valuation with certain clauses attached or not, which makes this pretty complicated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 Whoa, haven't checked this thread since late afternoon and suddenly everybody is convinced it's happening and it's just a question of will we do a Man City or not... What's happened in the meantime? Anything concrete, or has somebody slipped LSD in the water supply in the North East tonight? Everyone is excited cause there's only 10 days left of Ashley Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 Whoa, haven't checked this thread since late afternoon and suddenly everybody is convinced it's happening and it's just a question of will we do a Man City or not... What's happened in the meantime? Anything concrete, or has somebody slipped LSD in the water supply in the North East tonight? Everyone is excited cause there's only 10 days left of Ashley LSD it is then Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 I think it'll happen but it may be in the summer but it sounds like PCP won't up their offer and Ashley won't yet sell for that, one will blink, but I am not totally convinced it's inevitable that ashley will sell, he is way too petty not to consider refusing completely even after all this work has gone in. I also don't buy that it has gone through and is being kept secret, that seems fantasy to me. If it had gone through they'd be doing transfer business in a hurry to shore up their investment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cubaricho Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 Could literally give a f*** if we "do a Man City" - I just want us to at least be putting out a competitive team with a winning mentality. I want to see us do some damage in the cups too. So you don't want us to "do a Man City"? It's not at the top of my wish list, no. I honestly want us to just go out there and have a good chance to win, a winning mentality, and a squad I like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 A policy of cautious ambition would feel like Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 It's basically impossible to "do a Man City" these days anyway, even if we had nigh on unlimited funds, we'd still compete with two more clubs that have infinite funds that are far ahead of us, plus the likes of Liverpool, Man United and Spurs that are all capable of spending more than we could hope to get from PCP. Of course it's possible. Man City 'did a Chelsea' after all. Completely different landscape when they did it. The money that we would have to spend to "do a Man City" would be astronomical, just look at what PSG have to spend to compete at the top in the CL. That reads as possible to me. The Saudis would be the ones to do it. We're talking literally billions of pounds, of course it can happen, I just don't think it's very plausible. So not impossible then. I said 'basically impossible', so left myself a tiny window there Anah, I was just being a dick, sorry. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Shelveys Hair Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 According to Caulkin.. Id prefer this way. https://twitter.com/CaulkinTheTimes/status/951136912353488896 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 According to Caulkin.. Id prefer this way. https://twitter.com/CaulkinTheTimes/status/951136912353488896 Chelsea were in a massive amount of debt at the time of being sold and were pretty much about to go bust without the takeover, I think qualifying for the Champions League saved them a little bit of time. Man City's owner had been arrested and had to let go of his assets, even then the deal took time, it just didn't play out in public. PSG, there is no telling how long the takeover took, like the first 2 and unlike ours, the takeover wasn't publicly known about as and who it was happening. The people who spout the stuff as seen in the first post have no idea about how the deals for the other clubs came about and have no idea how big business deals work. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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