Steve Brute

[Robster]

Bruce ‘delivered’ nowt. The decent defence put together by Rafa did that.

What's the point, that's Bruce done okay then in your opinion? 45 points after 29 games? 50 points? 60 points?

Rafa sorted out the defence for sure, but things can go wrong. Team spirit can go shit. Bruce tried something different early on, realised it was the wrong decision and went back to what Rafa had drilled into the team. That was the right decision no?

Bruce has done fuck all attacking wise, there's no attacking plan. But team spirit is very important. We've never looked like a team, that will go on a 5-6 game losing streak. We are boring as fuck to watch at home, but joint best defence with 12 goals conceded, 3 defeats, and 1.5 points per game is a solid enough base.

I don't hate him. He's not good enough to progress us, he will be gone for next season, and we'll get a new better manager in. That's the correct decision.

Ideally Bruce will go on to get another PL job where he can fuck up big time like he has all his career, and that will be the end of the Bruce sympathy bandwagon. At least he won't have time to wreak the damage here.

How many points did he need to get, for you to say he did an "okay job"?

I'd give the credit to the Rafa coaching the previous 3 years. I don't think he did an okay job, he was just there.

So we put a guy in off the street, we're on 35 points atm? Team spirit still the same?

People won't just look at a number. They'll take everything into account. Style of play, performance, tactics, team selection, post match analysis and of course, compliance with an already toxic club management.

I'd say that in Bruce's case the points on the board are in spite of a shambolic performance in every aspect of his job.

How many points did we need on the board, for you to say he's done an okay job? It's not a difficult question to answer.

There is no number. I'll be big enough to say that i'll never accept what he does because I think that everything we get is in spite of him and not because of him.

If you are prepared to give him credit for the number of points on the board then that's fair enough. Personally, I'm not.

There's no number  :lol:

We win the league. "Fuck that fat cunt, he deserves no credit for winning the league. He's fucking shite."

What the fuck are you about?

Win the league

You've literally said no matter, no matter how points Bruce got, you'd never say he's done an OKAY job.

It's an insane comment. Think about it logically FFS.

How can you talk about logic when you are talking about Steve Bruce winning the league ?

As Newcastle fans, we have the perfect example in Alan Pardew. He managed once to get us to 5th thanks to some good fortune and a fantastic group of players. However he's clearly a terrible manager as the rest of his managerial record would prove.

I can only say again that I can't say that he's done an okay job because I don't believe that our current position is by his design.

You've said no matter how points Bruce got, you would never say he's done an okay job.

It's a fucking crazy statement. Makes absolutely zero sense.

 

It's not crazy as I fucking hate him and will never accept him.

I'm also fully confident that he'll never get the team to a place (like Pardew did) where, on paper, it looks like he's done well.

 

I'd say that the team have done OK but not Bruce. The teams position is in spite of Bruce, not because of him.

 

[TRon]

Bruce ‘delivered’ nowt. The decent defence put together by Rafa did that.

 

What's the point, that's Bruce done okay then in your opinion? 45 points after 29 games? 50 points? 60 points?

 

Rafa sorted out the defence for sure, but things can go wrong. Team spirit can go shit. Bruce tried something different early on, realised it was the wrong decision and went back to what Rafa had drilled into the team. That was the right decision no?

 

Bruce has done fuck all attacking wise, there's no attacking plan. But team spirit is very important. We've never looked like a team, that will go on a 5-6 game losing streak. We are boring as fuck to watch at home, but joint best defence with 12 goals conceded, 3 defeats, and 1.5 points per game is a solid enough base.

 

I don't hate him. He's not good enough to progress us, he will be gone for next season, and we'll get a new better manager in. That's the correct decision.

 

 

Ideally Bruce will go on to get another PL job where he can fuck up big time like he has all his career, and that will be the end of the Bruce sympathy bandwagon. At least he won't have time to wreak the damage here.

 

How many points did he need to get, for you to say he did an "okay job"?

 

I'd give the credit to the Rafa coaching the previous 3 years. I don't think he did an okay job, he was just there.

 

So we put a guy in off the street, we're on 35 points atm? Team spirit still the same?

 

We aren't talking about putting a man off the street, that's just a daft example. How about putting in a young coach who's doing well in one of the lower leagues? Do I think he could have done as well as Bruce? Yes I do, maybe better tbh. So in that context Bruce hasn't done okay, he's just landed on his feet.

 

So how many points then? Why won't you answer the question?

 

It's a loaded question. You want me to say Bruce has done an okay job because he got 35 pts, but I don't think he had much to do with getting them. I think you could have put any manager in there after Rafa and we'd have got them, I said this before the season started fwiw. I always expected he'd have a honeymoon period first half of the season before the Bruce effect kicked in.

[Guest Butcher]

Rafa finished 13th last year and most people on there say he did a great job. Bruce even lost two thirds of our attack.

He'll never get the credit he deserves on here, and that's that. It won't keep me up at night

[samptime29]

Bruce ‘delivered’ nowt. The decent defence put together by Rafa did that.

What's the point, that's Bruce done okay then in your opinion? 45 points after 29 games? 50 points? 60 points?

Rafa sorted out the defence for sure, but things can go wrong. Team spirit can go shit. Bruce tried something different early on, realised it was the wrong decision and went back to what Rafa had drilled into the team. That was the right decision no?

Bruce has done fuck all attacking wise, there's no attacking plan. But team spirit is very important. We've never looked like a team, that will go on a 5-6 game losing streak. We are boring as fuck to watch at home, but joint best defence with 12 goals conceded, 3 defeats, and 1.5 points per game is a solid enough base.

I don't hate him. He's not good enough to progress us, he will be gone for next season, and we'll get a new better manager in. That's the correct decision.

Ideally Bruce will go on to get another PL job where he can fuck up big time like he has all his career, and that will be the end of the Bruce sympathy bandwagon. At least he won't have time to wreak the damage here.

How many points did he need to get, for you to say he did an "okay job"?

I'd give the credit to the Rafa coaching the previous 3 years. I don't think he did an okay job, he was just there.

So we put a guy in off the street, we're on 35 points atm? Team spirit still the same?

People won't just look at a number. They'll take everything into account. Style of play, performance, tactics, team selection, post match analysis and of course, compliance with an already toxic club management.

I'd say that in Bruce's case the points on the board are in spite of a shambolic performance in every aspect of his job.

How many points did we need on the board, for you to say he's done an okay job? It's not a difficult question to answer.

There is no number. I'll be big enough to say that i'll never accept what he does because I think that everything we get is in spite of him and not because of him.

If you are prepared to give him credit for the number of points on the board then that's fair enough. Personally, I'm not.

There's no number  :lol:

We win the league. "Fuck that fat cunt, he deserves no credit for winning the league. He's fucking shite."

What the fuck are you about?

Win the league

You've literally said no matter, no matter how points Bruce got, you'd never say he's done an OKAY job.

It's an insane comment. Think about it logically FFS.

How can you talk about logic when you are talking about Steve Bruce winning the league ?

As Newcastle fans, we have the perfect example in Alan Pardew. He managed once to get us to 5th thanks to some good fortune and a fantastic group of players. However he's clearly a terrible manager as the rest of his managerial record would prove.

I can only say again that I can't say that he's done an okay job because I don't believe that our current position is by his design.

You've said no matter how points Bruce got, you would never say he's done an okay job.

It's a fucking crazy statement. Makes absolutely zero sense.

 

It's not crazy as I fucking hate him and will never accept him.

I'm also fully confident that he'll never get the team to a place (like Pardew did) where, on paper, it looks like he's done well.

 

I'd say that the team have done OK but not Bruce. The teams position is in spite of Bruce, not because of him.

 

You hate him and it's clouding your judgement. That's a fact.

 

 

[samptime29]

Bruce ‘delivered’ nowt. The decent defence put together by Rafa did that.

 

What's the point, that's Bruce done okay then in your opinion? 45 points after 29 games? 50 points? 60 points?

 

Rafa sorted out the defence for sure, but things can go wrong. Team spirit can go shit. Bruce tried something different early on, realised it was the wrong decision and went back to what Rafa had drilled into the team. That was the right decision no?

 

Bruce has done fuck all attacking wise, there's no attacking plan. But team spirit is very important. We've never looked like a team, that will go on a 5-6 game losing streak. We are boring as fuck to watch at home, but joint best defence with 12 goals conceded, 3 defeats, and 1.5 points per game is a solid enough base.

 

I don't hate him. He's not good enough to progress us, he will be gone for next season, and we'll get a new better manager in. That's the correct decision.

 

 

Ideally Bruce will go on to get another PL job where he can fuck up big time like he has all his career, and that will be the end of the Bruce sympathy bandwagon. At least he won't have time to wreak the damage here.

 

How many points did he need to get, for you to say he did an "okay job"?

 

I'd give the credit to the Rafa coaching the previous 3 years. I don't think he did an okay job, he was just there.

 

So we put a guy in off the street, we're on 35 points atm? Team spirit still the same?

 

We aren't talking about putting a man off the street, that's just a daft example. How about putting in a young coach who's doing well in one of the lower leagues? Do I think he could have done as well as Bruce? Yes I do, maybe better tbh. So in that context Bruce hasn't done okay, he's just landed on his feet.

 

So how many points then? Why won't you answer the question?

 

It's a loaded question. You want me to say Bruce has done an okay job because he got 35 pts, but I don't think he had much to do with getting them. I think you could have put any manager in there after Rafa and we'd have got them, I said this before the season started fwiw. I always expected he'd have a honeymoon period first half of the season before the Bruce effect kicked in.

 

Its a simple question Tron. Very simple.

[TBG]

Rafa finished 13th last year and most people on there say he did a great job. Bruce even lost two thirds of our attack.

He'll never get the credit he deserves on here, and that's that. It won't keep me up at night

 

Bruce not being a puppet replaced that attack with a £40M striker, and unlike Rafa plays nothing but attacking football. Surely the results should be better then?

[Robster]

Bruce ‘delivered’ nowt. The decent defence put together by Rafa did that.

What's the point, that's Bruce done okay then in your opinion? 45 points after 29 games? 50 points? 60 points?

Rafa sorted out the defence for sure, but things can go wrong. Team spirit can go shit. Bruce tried something different early on, realised it was the wrong decision and went back to what Rafa had drilled into the team. That was the right decision no?

Bruce has done fuck all attacking wise, there's no attacking plan. But team spirit is very important. We've never looked like a team, that will go on a 5-6 game losing streak. We are boring as fuck to watch at home, but joint best defence with 12 goals conceded, 3 defeats, and 1.5 points per game is a solid enough base.

I don't hate him. He's not good enough to progress us, he will be gone for next season, and we'll get a new better manager in. That's the correct decision.

Ideally Bruce will go on to get another PL job where he can fuck up big time like he has all his career, and that will be the end of the Bruce sympathy bandwagon. At least he won't have time to wreak the damage here.

How many points did he need to get, for you to say he did an "okay job"?

I'd give the credit to the Rafa coaching the previous 3 years. I don't think he did an okay job, he was just there.

So we put a guy in off the street, we're on 35 points atm? Team spirit still the same?

People won't just look at a number. They'll take everything into account. Style of play, performance, tactics, team selection, post match analysis and of course, compliance with an already toxic club management.

I'd say that in Bruce's case the points on the board are in spite of a shambolic performance in every aspect of his job.

How many points did we need on the board, for you to say he's done an okay job? It's not a difficult question to answer.

There is no number. I'll be big enough to say that i'll never accept what he does because I think that everything we get is in spite of him and not because of him.

If you are prepared to give him credit for the number of points on the board then that's fair enough. Personally, I'm not.

There's no number  :lol:

We win the league. "Fuck that fat cunt, he deserves no credit for winning the league. He's fucking shite."

What the fuck are you about?

Win the league

You've literally said no matter, no matter how points Bruce got, you'd never say he's done an OKAY job.

It's an insane comment. Think about it logically FFS.

How can you talk about logic when you are talking about Steve Bruce winning the league ?

As Newcastle fans, we have the perfect example in Alan Pardew. He managed once to get us to 5th thanks to some good fortune and a fantastic group of players. However he's clearly a terrible manager as the rest of his managerial record would prove.

I can only say again that I can't say that he's done an okay job because I don't believe that our current position is by his design.

You've said no matter how points Bruce got, you would never say he's done an okay job.

It's a fucking crazy statement. Makes absolutely zero sense.

It's not crazy as I fucking hate him and will never accept him.

I'm also fully confident that he'll never get the team to a place (like Pardew did) where, on paper, it looks like he's done well.

I'd say that the team have done OK but not Bruce. The teams position is in spite of Bruce, not because of him.

You hate him and it's clouding your judgement. That's a fact.

It's not because i'm looking at more than just the league table. I hear the same opinion as yours from a highly annoying Man Utd fan at work. Points on board = doing a decent job.

[samptime29]

Rafa finished 13th last year and most people on there say he did a great job. Bruce even lost two thirds of our attack.

He'll never get the credit he deserves on here, and that's that. It won't keep me up at night

 

Bruce not being a puppet replaced that attack with a £40M striker, and unlike Rafa plays nothing but attacking football. Surely the results should be better then?

 

Bruce is clearly taking shit about Joelinton. It was never his decision and he is never going to stand up to Ashley.

 

But it's a fact losing Perez and Rondon (23 total goals) is a massive one.

[Guest Butcher]

Rafa finished 13th last year and most people on there say he did a great job. Bruce even lost two thirds of our attack.

He'll never get the credit he deserves on here, and that's that. It won't keep me up at night

 

Bruce not being a puppet replaced that attack with a £40M striker, and unlike Rafa plays nothing but attacking football. Surely the results should be better then?

 

Buying someone for 40m doesn't always equal success, no matter who the manager is. Look at Klopp and Guardiola. They've spent hundreds of billions on flops over the last few years, especially Guardiola.

 

Reckon Bruce would have done even better with Rondon/Perez up front.

[gjohnson]

Rafa finished 13th last year and most people on there say he did a great job. Bruce even lost two thirds of our attack.

He'll never get the credit he deserves on here, and that's that. It won't keep me up at night

 

Playing the worst football in years, and having attacking statistics that make Derby's 11points team look positively brilliant should be enough to convince anyone it's been a bad job.

[Guest Butcher]

Rafa finished 13th last year and most people on there say he did a great job. Bruce even lost two thirds of our attack.

He'll never get the credit he deserves on here, and that's that. It won't keep me up at night

 

Playing the worst football in years, and having attacking statistics that make Derby's 11points team look positively brilliant should be enough to convince anyone it's been a bad job.

 

Football isn't based on statistics mind, it's based on results. The results were okay overall.

[samptime29]

Bruce ‘delivered’ nowt. The decent defence put together by Rafa did that.

What's the point, that's Bruce done okay then in your opinion? 45 points after 29 games? 50 points? 60 points?

Rafa sorted out the defence for sure, but things can go wrong. Team spirit can go shit. Bruce tried something different early on, realised it was the wrong decision and went back to what Rafa had drilled into the team. That was the right decision no?

Bruce has done fuck all attacking wise, there's no attacking plan. But team spirit is very important. We've never looked like a team, that will go on a 5-6 game losing streak. We are boring as fuck to watch at home, but joint best defence with 12 goals conceded, 3 defeats, and 1.5 points per game is a solid enough base.

I don't hate him. He's not good enough to progress us, he will be gone for next season, and we'll get a new better manager in. That's the correct decision.

Ideally Bruce will go on to get another PL job where he can fuck up big time like he has all his career, and that will be the end of the Bruce sympathy bandwagon. At least he won't have time to wreak the damage here.

How many points did he need to get, for you to say he did an "okay job"?

I'd give the credit to the Rafa coaching the previous 3 years. I don't think he did an okay job, he was just there.

So we put a guy in off the street, we're on 35 points atm? Team spirit still the same?

People won't just look at a number. They'll take everything into account. Style of play, performance, tactics, team selection, post match analysis and of course, compliance with an already toxic club management.

I'd say that in Bruce's case the points on the board are in spite of a shambolic performance in every aspect of his job.

How many points did we need on the board, for you to say he's done an okay job? It's not a difficult question to answer.

There is no number. I'll be big enough to say that i'll never accept what he does because I think that everything we get is in spite of him and not because of him.

If you are prepared to give him credit for the number of points on the board then that's fair enough. Personally, I'm not.

There's no number  :lol:

We win the league. "Fuck that fat cunt, he deserves no credit for winning the league. He's fucking shite."

What the fuck are you about?

Win the league

You've literally said no matter, no matter how points Bruce got, you'd never say he's done an OKAY job.

It's an insane comment. Think about it logically FFS.

How can you talk about logic when you are talking about Steve Bruce winning the league ?

As Newcastle fans, we have the perfect example in Alan Pardew. He managed once to get us to 5th thanks to some good fortune and a fantastic group of players. However he's clearly a terrible manager as the rest of his managerial record would prove.

I can only say again that I can't say that he's done an okay job because I don't believe that our current position is by his design.

You've said no matter how points Bruce got, you would never say he's done an okay job.

It's a fucking crazy statement. Makes absolutely zero sense.

It's not crazy as I fucking hate him and will never accept him.

I'm also fully confident that he'll never get the team to a place (like Pardew did) where, on paper, it looks like he's done well.

I'd say that the team have done OK but not Bruce. The teams position is in spite of Bruce, not because of him.

You hate him and it's clouding your judgement. That's a fact.

It's not because i'm looking at more than just the league table. I hear the same opinion as yours from a highly annoying Man Utd fan at work.

 

Robster, all I said was he's done an okay job this season. That's all.

 

You've said you hate him and you will never accept him. You denied he's done an okay job. These are facts.

 

I'm right. You're wrong.

[Rod]

Bruce ‘delivered’ nowt. The decent defence put together by Rafa did that.

What's the point, that's Bruce done okay then in your opinion? 45 points after 29 games? 50 points? 60 points?

Rafa sorted out the defence for sure, but things can go wrong. Team spirit can go shit. Bruce tried something different early on, realised it was the wrong decision and went back to what Rafa had drilled into the team. That was the right decision no?

Bruce has done fuck all attacking wise, there's no attacking plan. But team spirit is very important. We've never looked like a team, that will go on a 5-6 game losing streak. We are boring as fuck to watch at home, but joint best defence with 12 goals conceded, 3 defeats, and 1.5 points per game is a solid enough base.

I don't hate him. He's not good enough to progress us, he will be gone for next season, and we'll get a new better manager in. That's the correct decision.

Ideally Bruce will go on to get another PL job where he can fuck up big time like he has all his career, and that will be the end of the Bruce sympathy bandwagon. At least he won't have time to wreak the damage here.

How many points did he need to get, for you to say he did an "okay job"?

I'd give the credit to the Rafa coaching the previous 3 years. I don't think he did an okay job, he was just there.

So we put a guy in off the street, we're on 35 points atm? Team spirit still the same?

People won't just look at a number. They'll take everything into account. Style of play, performance, tactics, team selection, post match analysis and of course, compliance with an already toxic club management.

I'd say that in Bruce's case the points on the board are in spite of a shambolic performance in every aspect of his job.

How many points did we need on the board, for you to say he's done an okay job? It's not a difficult question to answer.

There is no number. I'll be big enough to say that i'll never accept what he does because I think that everything we get is in spite of him and not because of him.

If you are prepared to give him credit for the number of points on the board then that's fair enough. Personally, I'm not.

There's no number  :lol:

We win the league. "Fuck that fat cunt, he deserves no credit for winning the league. He's fucking shite."

What the fuck are you about?

Win the league

 

You've literally said no matter, no matter how points Bruce got, you'd never say he's done an OKAY job.

 

It's an insane comment. Think about it logically FFS.

 

Such an asinine and disingenuous question, if he had more points then we would be playing better football and he would get the credit he would deserve. As it stands the points on the table are contrary to the displays on the pitch, ergo he deserves no credit.

 

To the fact he's more than likely kept us up, he's played his part in facilitating the takeover by doing the minimum expected of him, does that deserve credit? Not really, in any normal club, with the financial outlay supposedly afforded to him, he's massively underperformed and he would be gone. Hell, in any normal club, he wouldn't have got the position to start with.

 

I don't hate Bruce, I hate the idiots that gave him the job, but he hasn't affected anything that would deserve him credit.

 

Massively underperformed? 13th in the league. 35 points. That's massively underperformed?  :lol:

 

Honestly man this fucking board. All I've said is he's done an okay job this season. Not a good job. Not a great job. AN OKAY JOB.

Oh well if you are up for a sensible debate, here's my twopenneth.  I actually think Bruce has been disastrous.  You are being misled by the total points malarkey.  His tactical ability is zero, in his own words "I don't do tactics".  I don't wish to cover old ground as it's been covered numerous times on here but I can honestly say in my opinion his football team have been extremely lucky.  I have seen possibly three ok performances, however the West Ham away game was just mental.  So no, he has not done an ok job.  Pretty shit actually.

[astraguy]

Steve Bruce's time at the club won't ever exist for me

[Robster]

Bruce ‘delivered’ nowt. The decent defence put together by Rafa did that.

What's the point, that's Bruce done okay then in your opinion? 45 points after 29 games? 50 points? 60 points?

Rafa sorted out the defence for sure, but things can go wrong. Team spirit can go shit. Bruce tried something different early on, realised it was the wrong decision and went back to what Rafa had drilled into the team. That was the right decision no?

Bruce has done fuck all attacking wise, there's no attacking plan. But team spirit is very important. We've never looked like a team, that will go on a 5-6 game losing streak. We are boring as fuck to watch at home, but joint best defence with 12 goals conceded, 3 defeats, and 1.5 points per game is a solid enough base.

I don't hate him. He's not good enough to progress us, he will be gone for next season, and we'll get a new better manager in. That's the correct decision.

Ideally Bruce will go on to get another PL job where he can fuck up big time like he has all his career, and that will be the end of the Bruce sympathy bandwagon. At least he won't have time to wreak the damage here.

How many points did he need to get, for you to say he did an "okay job"?

I'd give the credit to the Rafa coaching the previous 3 years. I don't think he did an okay job, he was just there.

So we put a guy in off the street, we're on 35 points atm? Team spirit still the same?

People won't just look at a number. They'll take everything into account. Style of play, performance, tactics, team selection, post match analysis and of course, compliance with an already toxic club management.

I'd say that in Bruce's case the points on the board are in spite of a shambolic performance in every aspect of his job.

How many points did we need on the board, for you to say he's done an okay job? It's not a difficult question to answer.

There is no number. I'll be big enough to say that i'll never accept what he does because I think that everything we get is in spite of him and not because of him.

If you are prepared to give him credit for the number of points on the board then that's fair enough. Personally, I'm not.

There's no number  :lol:

We win the league. "Fuck that fat cunt, he deserves no credit for winning the league. He's fucking shite."

What the fuck are you about?

Win the league

You've literally said no matter, no matter how points Bruce got, you'd never say he's done an OKAY job.

It's an insane comment. Think about it logically FFS.

How can you talk about logic when you are talking about Steve Bruce winning the league ?

As Newcastle fans, we have the perfect example in Alan Pardew. He managed once to get us to 5th thanks to some good fortune and a fantastic group of players. However he's clearly a terrible manager as the rest of his managerial record would prove.

I can only say again that I can't say that he's done an okay job because I don't believe that our current position is by his design.

You've said no matter how points Bruce got, you would never say he's done an okay job.

It's a fucking crazy statement. Makes absolutely zero sense.

It's not crazy as I fucking hate him and will never accept him.

I'm also fully confident that he'll never get the team to a place (like Pardew did) where, on paper, it looks like he's done well.

I'd say that the team have done OK but not Bruce. The teams position is in spite of Bruce, not because of him.

You hate him and it's clouding your judgement. That's a fact.

It's not because i'm looking at more than just the league table. I hear the same opinion as yours from a highly annoying Man Utd fan at work.

Robster, all I said was he's done an okay job this season. That's all.

You've said you hate him and you will never accept him. You denied he's done an okay job. These are facts.

I'm right. You're wrong.

The fact is that the team has managed to do OK but it's probably best to stop going in circles or else we might miss the club being sold which should be happening any minute I hear...

 

[jackyboy]

Takeover or not, I just want Bruce away from this club.  I have never ever rated him during his whole managerial career and I'm a lot older than him.  In my opinion he has never ever justified being in charge of a Premiership club, or a Championship one even. He has proved to be a consistent failure and has shown no loyalty to any clubs he's been with. 

[samptime29]

Bruce ‘delivered’ nowt. The decent defence put together by Rafa did that.

What's the point, that's Bruce done okay then in your opinion? 45 points after 29 games? 50 points? 60 points?

Rafa sorted out the defence for sure, but things can go wrong. Team spirit can go shit. Bruce tried something different early on, realised it was the wrong decision and went back to what Rafa had drilled into the team. That was the right decision no?

Bruce has done fuck all attacking wise, there's no attacking plan. But team spirit is very important. We've never looked like a team, that will go on a 5-6 game losing streak. We are boring as fuck to watch at home, but joint best defence with 12 goals conceded, 3 defeats, and 1.5 points per game is a solid enough base.

I don't hate him. He's not good enough to progress us, he will be gone for next season, and we'll get a new better manager in. That's the correct decision.

Ideally Bruce will go on to get another PL job where he can fuck up big time like he has all his career, and that will be the end of the Bruce sympathy bandwagon. At least he won't have time to wreak the damage here.

How many points did he need to get, for you to say he did an "okay job"?

I'd give the credit to the Rafa coaching the previous 3 years. I don't think he did an okay job, he was just there.

So we put a guy in off the street, we're on 35 points atm? Team spirit still the same?

People won't just look at a number. They'll take everything into account. Style of play, performance, tactics, team selection, post match analysis and of course, compliance with an already toxic club management.

I'd say that in Bruce's case the points on the board are in spite of a shambolic performance in every aspect of his job.

How many points did we need on the board, for you to say he's done an okay job? It's not a difficult question to answer.

There is no number. I'll be big enough to say that i'll never accept what he does because I think that everything we get is in spite of him and not because of him.

If you are prepared to give him credit for the number of points on the board then that's fair enough. Personally, I'm not.

There's no number  :lol:

We win the league. "Fuck that fat cunt, he deserves no credit for winning the league. He's fucking shite."

What the fuck are you about?

Win the league

 

You've literally said no matter, no matter how points Bruce got, you'd never say he's done an OKAY job.

 

It's an insane comment. Think about it logically FFS.

 

Such an asinine and disingenuous question, if he had more points then we would be playing better football and he would get the credit he would deserve. As it stands the points on the table are contrary to the displays on the pitch, ergo he deserves no credit.

 

To the fact he's more than likely kept us up, he's played his part in facilitating the takeover by doing the minimum expected of him, does that deserve credit? Not really, in any normal club, with the financial outlay supposedly afforded to him, he's massively underperformed and he would be gone. Hell, in any normal club, he wouldn't have got the position to start with.

 

I don't hate Bruce, I hate the idiots that gave him the job, but he hasn't affected anything that would deserve him credit.

 

Massively underperformed? 13th in the league. 35 points. That's massively underperformed?  :lol:

 

Honestly man this fucking board. All I've said is he's done an okay job this season. Not a good job. Not a great job. AN OKAY JOB.

Oh well if you are up for a sensible debate, here's my twopenneth.  I actually think Bruce has been disastrous.  You are being misled by the total points malarkey.  His tactical ability is zero, in his own words "I don't do tactics".  I don't wish to cover old ground as it's been covered numerous times on here but I can honestly say in my opinion his football team have been extremely lucky.  I have seen possibly three ok performances, however the West Ham away game was just mental.  So no, he has not done an ok job.  Pretty shit actually.

 

Disastrous is when McLaren got sacked. 24 points from 29 games. That is disastrous. We are 11 points better off than that.

 

We're 14 points ahead of Norwich. We're comfortably ahead of the relegation zone. We've had 9 clean sheets this season. We've beaten Spurs, Man Utd, Chelsea, drew with City. The definition of disastrous is: "highly unsuccessful".

 

35 points, and quarter finals of the FA Cup is not HIGHLY UNSUCCESSFUL. Not difficult to understand.

 

 

 

[Mattoon]

Bruce ‘delivered’ nowt. The decent defence put together by Rafa did that.

What's the point, that's Bruce done okay then in your opinion? 45 points after 29 games? 50 points? 60 points?

Rafa sorted out the defence for sure, but things can go wrong. Team spirit can go shit. Bruce tried something different early on, realised it was the wrong decision and went back to what Rafa had drilled into the team. That was the right decision no?

Bruce has done fuck all attacking wise, there's no attacking plan. But team spirit is very important. We've never looked like a team, that will go on a 5-6 game losing streak. We are boring as fuck to watch at home, but joint best defence with 12 goals conceded, 3 defeats, and 1.5 points per game is a solid enough base.

I don't hate him. He's not good enough to progress us, he will be gone for next season, and we'll get a new better manager in. That's the correct decision.

Ideally Bruce will go on to get another PL job where he can fuck up big time like he has all his career, and that will be the end of the Bruce sympathy bandwagon. At least he won't have time to wreak the damage here.

How many points did he need to get, for you to say he did an "okay job"?

I'd give the credit to the Rafa coaching the previous 3 years. I don't think he did an okay job, he was just there.

So we put a guy in off the street, we're on 35 points atm? Team spirit still the same?

People won't just look at a number. They'll take everything into account. Style of play, performance, tactics, team selection, post match analysis and of course, compliance with an already toxic club management.

I'd say that in Bruce's case the points on the board are in spite of a shambolic performance in every aspect of his job.

How many points did we need on the board, for you to say he's done an okay job? It's not a difficult question to answer.

There is no number. I'll be big enough to say that i'll never accept what he does because I think that everything we get is in spite of him and not because of him.

If you are prepared to give him credit for the number of points on the board then that's fair enough. Personally, I'm not.

There's no number  :lol:

We win the league. "Fuck that fat cunt, he deserves no credit for winning the league. He's fucking shite."

What the fuck are you about?

Win the league

 

You've literally said no matter, no matter how points Bruce got, you'd never say he's done an OKAY job.

 

It's an insane comment. Think about it logically FFS.

 

Such an asinine and disingenuous question, if he had more points then we would be playing better football and he would get the credit he would deserve. As it stands the points on the table are contrary to the displays on the pitch, ergo he deserves no credit.

 

To the fact he's more than likely kept us up, he's played his part in facilitating the takeover by doing the minimum expected of him, does that deserve credit? Not really, in any normal club, with the financial outlay supposedly afforded to him, he's massively underperformed and he would be gone. Hell, in any normal club, he wouldn't have got the position to start with.

 

I don't hate Bruce, I hate the idiots that gave him the job, but he hasn't affected anything that would deserve him credit.

 

Massively underperformed? 13th in the league. 35 points. That's massively underperformed?  :lol:

 

Honestly man this fucking board. All I've said is he's done an okay job this season. Not a good job. Not a great job. AN OKAY JOB.

Oh well if you are up for a sensible debate, here's my twopenneth.  I actually think Bruce has been disastrous.  You are being misled by the total points malarkey.  His tactical ability is zero, in his own words "I don't do tactics".  I don't wish to cover old ground as it's been covered numerous times on here but I can honestly say in my opinion his football team have been extremely lucky.  I have seen possibly three ok performances, however the West Ham away game was just mental.  So no, he has not done an ok job.  Pretty shit actually.

 

Disastrous is when McLaren got sacked. 24 points from 29 games. That is disastrous. We are 11 points better off than that.

 

We're 14 points ahead of Norwich. We're comfortably ahead of the relegation zone. We've had 9 clean sheets this season. We've beaten Spurs, Man Utd, Chelsea, drew with City. The definition of disastrous is: "highly unsuccessful".

 

35 points, and quarter finals of the FA Cup is not HIGHLY UNSUCCESSFUL. Not difficult to understand.

 

 

 

 

The difficulty in understanding is apportioning credit to Bruce, what has he actually done? We've been horrific almost every game, no cohesion, no tactics, backs against the wall. Points/results look decent on paper, no one is discounting that, the means in which they were attained are unsustainable and either lucky or down to the individual brilliance of some of our players at any given time. We are where we are by chance rather than design. The design is the managers job and to that he has failed.

[samptime29]

Bruce ‘delivered’ nowt. The decent defence put together by Rafa did that.

What's the point, that's Bruce done okay then in your opinion? 45 points after 29 games? 50 points? 60 points?

Rafa sorted out the defence for sure, but things can go wrong. Team spirit can go shit. Bruce tried something different early on, realised it was the wrong decision and went back to what Rafa had drilled into the team. That was the right decision no?

Bruce has done fuck all attacking wise, there's no attacking plan. But team spirit is very important. We've never looked like a team, that will go on a 5-6 game losing streak. We are boring as fuck to watch at home, but joint best defence with 12 goals conceded, 3 defeats, and 1.5 points per game is a solid enough base.

I don't hate him. He's not good enough to progress us, he will be gone for next season, and we'll get a new better manager in. That's the correct decision.

Ideally Bruce will go on to get another PL job where he can fuck up big time like he has all his career, and that will be the end of the Bruce sympathy bandwagon. At least he won't have time to wreak the damage here.

How many points did he need to get, for you to say he did an "okay job"?

I'd give the credit to the Rafa coaching the previous 3 years. I don't think he did an okay job, he was just there.

So we put a guy in off the street, we're on 35 points atm? Team spirit still the same?

People won't just look at a number. They'll take everything into account. Style of play, performance, tactics, team selection, post match analysis and of course, compliance with an already toxic club management.

I'd say that in Bruce's case the points on the board are in spite of a shambolic performance in every aspect of his job.

How many points did we need on the board, for you to say he's done an okay job? It's not a difficult question to answer.

There is no number. I'll be big enough to say that i'll never accept what he does because I think that everything we get is in spite of him and not because of him.

If you are prepared to give him credit for the number of points on the board then that's fair enough. Personally, I'm not.

There's no number  :lol:

We win the league. "Fuck that fat cunt, he deserves no credit for winning the league. He's fucking shite."

What the fuck are you about?

Win the league

 

You've literally said no matter, no matter how points Bruce got, you'd never say he's done an OKAY job.

 

It's an insane comment. Think about it logically FFS.

 

Such an asinine and disingenuous question, if he had more points then we would be playing better football and he would get the credit he would deserve. As it stands the points on the table are contrary to the displays on the pitch, ergo he deserves no credit.

 

To the fact he's more than likely kept us up, he's played his part in facilitating the takeover by doing the minimum expected of him, does that deserve credit? Not really, in any normal club, with the financial outlay supposedly afforded to him, he's massively underperformed and he would be gone. Hell, in any normal club, he wouldn't have got the position to start with.

 

I don't hate Bruce, I hate the idiots that gave him the job, but he hasn't affected anything that would deserve him credit.

 

Massively underperformed? 13th in the league. 35 points. That's massively underperformed?  :lol:

 

Honestly man this fucking board. All I've said is he's done an okay job this season. Not a good job. Not a great job. AN OKAY JOB.

Oh well if you are up for a sensible debate, here's my twopenneth.  I actually think Bruce has been disastrous.  You are being misled by the total points malarkey.  His tactical ability is zero, in his own words "I don't do tactics".  I don't wish to cover old ground as it's been covered numerous times on here but I can honestly say in my opinion his football team have been extremely lucky.  I have seen possibly three ok performances, however the West Ham away game was just mental.  So no, he has not done an ok job.  Pretty shit actually.

 

Disastrous is when McLaren got sacked. 24 points from 29 games. That is disastrous. We are 11 points better off than that.

 

We're 14 points ahead of Norwich. We're comfortably ahead of the relegation zone. We've had 9 clean sheets this season. We've beaten Spurs, Man Utd, Chelsea, drew with City. The definition of disastrous is: "highly unsuccessful".

 

35 points, and quarter finals of the FA Cup is not HIGHLY UNSUCCESSFUL. Not difficult to understand.

 

 

The difficulty in understanding is apportioning credit to Bruce, what has he actually done? We've been horrific almost every game, no cohesion, no tactics, backs against the wall. Points/results look decent on paper, no one is discounting that, the means in which they were attained are unsustainable and either lucky or down to the individual brilliance of some of our players at any given time. We are where we are by chance rather than design. The design is the managers job and to that he has failed.

 

How many points, did he need to get, for you to think he's not "failed"?

[gjohnson]

Rafa finished 13th last year and most people on there say he did a great job. Bruce even lost two thirds of our attack.

He'll never get the credit he deserves on here, and that's that. It won't keep me up at night

 

Playing the worst football in years, and having attacking statistics that make Derby's 11points team look positively brilliant should be enough to convince anyone it's been a bad job.

 

Football isn't based on statistics mind, it's based on results. The results were okay overall.

 

For looking forward indeed they are not. For looking back they are indicative of a teams actual performance and normally suggest of what the results should have been.

 

Going by ours Bruce is either a total genius, or just lucky.

[Mattoon]

Bruce ‘delivered’ nowt. The decent defence put together by Rafa did that.

What's the point, that's Bruce done okay then in your opinion? 45 points after 29 games? 50 points? 60 points?

Rafa sorted out the defence for sure, but things can go wrong. Team spirit can go shit. Bruce tried something different early on, realised it was the wrong decision and went back to what Rafa had drilled into the team. That was the right decision no?

Bruce has done fuck all attacking wise, there's no attacking plan. But team spirit is very important. We've never looked like a team, that will go on a 5-6 game losing streak. We are boring as fuck to watch at home, but joint best defence with 12 goals conceded, 3 defeats, and 1.5 points per game is a solid enough base.

I don't hate him. He's not good enough to progress us, he will be gone for next season, and we'll get a new better manager in. That's the correct decision.

Ideally Bruce will go on to get another PL job where he can fuck up big time like he has all his career, and that will be the end of the Bruce sympathy bandwagon. At least he won't have time to wreak the damage here.

How many points did he need to get, for you to say he did an "okay job"?

I'd give the credit to the Rafa coaching the previous 3 years. I don't think he did an okay job, he was just there.

So we put a guy in off the street, we're on 35 points atm? Team spirit still the same?

People won't just look at a number. They'll take everything into account. Style of play, performance, tactics, team selection, post match analysis and of course, compliance with an already toxic club management.

I'd say that in Bruce's case the points on the board are in spite of a shambolic performance in every aspect of his job.

How many points did we need on the board, for you to say he's done an okay job? It's not a difficult question to answer.

There is no number. I'll be big enough to say that i'll never accept what he does because I think that everything we get is in spite of him and not because of him.

If you are prepared to give him credit for the number of points on the board then that's fair enough. Personally, I'm not.

There's no number  :lol:

We win the league. "Fuck that fat cunt, he deserves no credit for winning the league. He's fucking shite."

What the fuck are you about?

Win the league

 

You've literally said no matter, no matter how points Bruce got, you'd never say he's done an OKAY job.

 

It's an insane comment. Think about it logically FFS.

 

Such an asinine and disingenuous question, if he had more points then we would be playing better football and he would get the credit he would deserve. As it stands the points on the table are contrary to the displays on the pitch, ergo he deserves no credit.

 

To the fact he's more than likely kept us up, he's played his part in facilitating the takeover by doing the minimum expected of him, does that deserve credit? Not really, in any normal club, with the financial outlay supposedly afforded to him, he's massively underperformed and he would be gone. Hell, in any normal club, he wouldn't have got the position to start with.

 

I don't hate Bruce, I hate the idiots that gave him the job, but he hasn't affected anything that would deserve him credit.

 

Massively underperformed? 13th in the league. 35 points. That's massively underperformed?  :lol:

 

Honestly man this fucking board. All I've said is he's done an okay job this season. Not a good job. Not a great job. AN OKAY JOB.

Oh well if you are up for a sensible debate, here's my twopenneth.  I actually think Bruce has been disastrous.  You are being misled by the total points malarkey.  His tactical ability is zero, in his own words "I don't do tactics".  I don't wish to cover old ground as it's been covered numerous times on here but I can honestly say in my opinion his football team have been extremely lucky.  I have seen possibly three ok performances, however the West Ham away game was just mental.  So no, he has not done an ok job.  Pretty shit actually.

 

Disastrous is when McLaren got sacked. 24 points from 29 games. That is disastrous. We are 11 points better off than that.

 

We're 14 points ahead of Norwich. We're comfortably ahead of the relegation zone. We've had 9 clean sheets this season. We've beaten Spurs, Man Utd, Chelsea, drew with City. The definition of disastrous is: "highly unsuccessful".

 

35 points, and quarter finals of the FA Cup is not HIGHLY UNSUCCESSFUL. Not difficult to understand.

 

 

The difficulty in understanding is apportioning credit to Bruce, what has he actually done? We've been horrific almost every game, no cohesion, no tactics, backs against the wall. Points/results look decent on paper, no one is discounting that, the means in which they were attained are unsustainable and either lucky or down to the individual brilliance of some of our players at any given time. We are where we are by chance rather than design. The design is the managers job and to that he has failed.

 

How many points, did he need to get, for you to think he's not "failed"?

 

Again, if we had more points we would have to be playing some decent football, it's all relative. If we had less points but we were playing good football he would get credit, it's not about the points, it's the whole package.

[loki679]

There's more to football than just points

 

Why don't you look at how we got those points?  Do you think it was sustainable?

[HaydnNUFC]

Although I somewhat agree, some of the points we've achieved have been incredibly lucky. Chelsea at home, Sheffield United away, Southampton at home, Brighton at home, Everton away. In addition I've only enjoyed watching 2 games this season, West Ham and West Brom which we still almost contrived to throw away. Some of the football served has up has been unequivocally vile; both games against Leicester and Wolves, Brighton, Norwich, Villa, Oxford. Due to the luck I can see why some are (strenuously) finding it difficult to give him credit as well as the regression from last season: after we beat Watford in November, up the the end of the season we were 7th in terms of points and after Almiron signed we were a good side and played nice stuff.

 

To me, I was expecting us to be in a dogfight and get relegated due to the atmosphere around the club post-Rafa. However we've mostly stayed away from relegation fears and for getting to where we are in the FA Cup though the games against our first two League One opponents should rightly be criticised. I give him credit for exceeding my ridiculously low expectations, nothing more. The sooner he is gone if/when the takeover is announced the better.

[samptime29]

Rafa finished 13th last year and most people on there say he did a great job. Bruce even lost two thirds of our attack.

He'll never get the credit he deserves on here, and that's that. It won't keep me up at night

 

Playing the worst football in years, and having attacking statistics that make Derby's 11points team look positively brilliant should be enough to convince anyone it's been a bad job.

 

Football isn't based on statistics mind, it's based on results. The results were okay overall.

 

For looking forward indeed they are not. For looking back they are indicative of a teams actual performance and normally suggest of what the results should have been.

 

Going by ours Bruce is either a total genius, or just lucky.

 

Nobody is saying Bruce can take us forward. He'll been gone for next season, and that is correct decision with the takeover.

 

The fact that poster after poster, can't admit, he's done on okay job this season is pretty embarrassing really.

 

I've said before good team spirit is vital. We've had good team spirit this season. We've picked up results just when we needed them

 

That is very important but nobody is discussing that. It's just "I hate Bruce, fat cunt, blah blah blah".

 

 

[samptime29]

Bruce ‘delivered’ nowt. The decent defence put together by Rafa did that.

What's the point, that's Bruce done okay then in your opinion? 45 points after 29 games? 50 points? 60 points?

Rafa sorted out the defence for sure, but things can go wrong. Team spirit can go shit. Bruce tried something different early on, realised it was the wrong decision and went back to what Rafa had drilled into the team. That was the right decision no?

Bruce has done fuck all attacking wise, there's no attacking plan. But team spirit is very important. We've never looked like a team, that will go on a 5-6 game losing streak. We are boring as fuck to watch at home, but joint best defence with 12 goals conceded, 3 defeats, and 1.5 points per game is a solid enough base.

I don't hate him. He's not good enough to progress us, he will be gone for next season, and we'll get a new better manager in. That's the correct decision.

Ideally Bruce will go on to get another PL job where he can fuck up big time like he has all his career, and that will be the end of the Bruce sympathy bandwagon. At least he won't have time to wreak the damage here.

How many points did he need to get, for you to say he did an "okay job"?

I'd give the credit to the Rafa coaching the previous 3 years. I don't think he did an okay job, he was just there.

So we put a guy in off the street, we're on 35 points atm? Team spirit still the same?

People won't just look at a number. They'll take everything into account. Style of play, performance, tactics, team selection, post match analysis and of course, compliance with an already toxic club management.

I'd say that in Bruce's case the points on the board are in spite of a shambolic performance in every aspect of his job.

How many points did we need on the board, for you to say he's done an okay job? It's not a difficult question to answer.

There is no number. I'll be big enough to say that i'll never accept what he does because I think that everything we get is in spite of him and not because of him.

If you are prepared to give him credit for the number of points on the board then that's fair enough. Personally, I'm not.

There's no number  :lol:

We win the league. "Fuck that fat cunt, he deserves no credit for winning the league. He's fucking shite."

What the fuck are you about?

Win the league

 

You've literally said no matter, no matter how points Bruce got, you'd never say he's done an OKAY job.

 

It's an insane comment. Think about it logically FFS.

 

Such an asinine and disingenuous question, if he had more points then we would be playing better football and he would get the credit he would deserve. As it stands the points on the table are contrary to the displays on the pitch, ergo he deserves no credit.

 

To the fact he's more than likely kept us up, he's played his part in facilitating the takeover by doing the minimum expected of him, does that deserve credit? Not really, in any normal club, with the financial outlay supposedly afforded to him, he's massively underperformed and he would be gone. Hell, in any normal club, he wouldn't have got the position to start with.

 

I don't hate Bruce, I hate the idiots that gave him the job, but he hasn't affected anything that would deserve him credit.

 

Massively underperformed? 13th in the league. 35 points. That's massively underperformed?  :lol:

 

Honestly man this fucking board. All I've said is he's done an okay job this season. Not a good job. Not a great job. AN OKAY JOB.

Oh well if you are up for a sensible debate, here's my twopenneth.  I actually think Bruce has been disastrous.  You are being misled by the total points malarkey.  His tactical ability is zero, in his own words "I don't do tactics".  I don't wish to cover old ground as it's been covered numerous times on here but I can honestly say in my opinion his football team have been extremely lucky.  I have seen possibly three ok performances, however the West Ham away game was just mental.  So no, he has not done an ok job.  Pretty shit actually.

 

Disastrous is when McLaren got sacked. 24 points from 29 games. That is disastrous. We are 11 points better off than that.

 

We're 14 points ahead of Norwich. We're comfortably ahead of the relegation zone. We've had 9 clean sheets this season. We've beaten Spurs, Man Utd, Chelsea, drew with City. The definition of disastrous is: "highly unsuccessful".

 

35 points, and quarter finals of the FA Cup is not HIGHLY UNSUCCESSFUL. Not difficult to understand.

 

 

The difficulty in understanding is apportioning credit to Bruce, what has he actually done? We've been horrific almost every game, no cohesion, no tactics, backs against the wall. Points/results look decent on paper, no one is discounting that, the means in which they were attained are unsustainable and either lucky or down to the individual brilliance of some of our players at any given time. We are where we are by chance rather than design. The design is the managers job and to that he has failed.

 

How many points, did he need to get, for you to think he's not "failed"?

 

Again, if we had more points we would have to be playing some decent football, it's all relative. If we had less points but we were playing good football he would get credit, it's not about the points, it's the whole package.

 

Just like Robster, and Tron, you won't give me a points figure because with all due respect, you're talking shit.