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He simply has no idea how to get out of this so why on earth would you give him another game?

 

It’s pathetic management from the top downwards, every fuking one of them

 

That’s the issue “every one of them” is 2 people who run the entire club, Ashley and Charnley and Charnley seemingly runs the whole club, that’s comical in itself but add in the league 1 level coaching setup, our disgrace of an academy, s*** recruitment, a tin shed for a training centre and zero ambition etc etc then this is the result.

 

What do people think a new manager could do differently with this shower of s*** that we have though? They just really aren’t very good PL players proven by how much they struggle to ever even keep the ball for more than 20 seconds. The players are sick of Bruce like so I’m sure him going would get the likes of Schar and ASM back onside and a more positive atmosphere on the training ground but we could appoint the next Klopp and I don’t think we will see many more goals or wins with these players. We have decent keepers and centre halfs and ASM and Wilson aside the rest of the midfield and attack is championship level.

 

The club and squad is a total s*** state.

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I don't hate him as much because I'm in a different place. Under Pardew I was still invested, going to games and catching them on TV.  I haven't been for years now, so it's quite comical to watch this fraud PFM his way through another season. It's like an extended episode of faking it.

 

Yeah - I get if you still care enough.

 

Agree with this, but I can't help wonder how the fuck anyone can still care enough tbh.

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It's not quite as bad as Steve McClaren yet?

 

The alarm bells were screaming relegation, and the board just hung around week after week, Benitez was left with absolutely no chance of a miracle.

 

I think 3 or 4 games sooner and Rafa might have had more time to survive.

 

I can see similar mistakes, or they'll just stick with spam head

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It's not quite as bad as Steve McClaren yet?

 

The alarm bells were screaming relegation, and the board just hung around week after week, Benitez was left with absolutely no chance of a miracle.

 

I think 3 or 4 games sooner and Rafa might have had more time to survive.

 

I can see similar mistakes, or they'll just stick with spam head

 

This is a way worse situation than Mclaren as back then we had a better squad, better players and more goals in the team. Also we were never constantly on the backfoot and had such little possession that we do now.

 

Rafa inherited Wijnaldum, Sissoko, Perez, Cisse, Townsend, Mitrovic etc. Any new manager now hasn’t got anywhere near as much quality to work with. Grim times ahead

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Thing with McClaren as well - they actually had Benitez's people rapping on the door. Would they even have got rid of him had that not been the case? And, in the absence of a world clad manager begging then for the opportunity, if Bruce's recruitment is anything to go by, they'd have a job locating and convincing someone competent.

 

Can't understand comments like "he sacked yet?" or "how is he still in the job?" You're several months, if not years, premature with comments like that. He's going absolutely fucking NOWHERE, just get it out of your heads.

 

If the takeover doesn't happen before then I'd put money on Bruce being manager on the first day of next season.

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No point sacking him till a replacement is in place and if that replacement is mark Hughes then they can just fuck off

 

I'd take Hughes over this fat cunt any day. Hughes is shit, we all know that but hes better than cabbage heed.

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Thing with McClaren as well - they actually had Benitez's people rapping on the door. Would they even have got rid of him had that not been the case? And, in the absence of a world clad manager begging then for the opportunity, if Bruce's recruitment is anything to go by, they'd have a job locating and convincing someone competent.

 

Can't understand comments like "he sacked yet?" or "how is he still in the job?" You're several months, if not years, premature with comments like that. He's going absolutely f***ing NOWHERE, just get it out of your heads.

 

If the takeover doesn't happen before then I'd put money on Bruce being manager on the first day of next season.

 

 

Except your argument is flawed if he keeps on losing , you can’t see where he can turn this around can you? The stakes are way higher this time , I fully expect him to be sacked very soon , a lot of the bravado is wishful thinking, it should be fact ......yet I agree it would be no surprise to see him taking us down and still be in that dugout under Ashley and PIF dead and buried . Happy fuking days .

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I think people are putting too much hope and getting too invested with this PIF thing like. If it really was ongoing and close then no way would Bruce still be here putting it all in jeopardy.

 

I think the stakes are exactly the same as 2016 in that Ashley seems perfectly willing to gamble again and as Yorkie[/member] said he won’t have a world class manager approaching him this time.

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Rafa was amazing and he is my number one choice to build the club after the takeover, but I was still disappointed he couldn't save us as he is not a firefighter type manager and if they leave it much more than this weekend I'm not sure he could again.

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Rafa was amazing and he is my number one choice to build the club after the takeover, but I was still disappointed he couldn't save us as he is not a firefighter type manager and if they leave it much more than this weekend I'm not sure he could again.

 

i think he deffo could. his defence is still here. still got the longstaffs, miggy and hayden. am sure he could do something to help the supply to wilson and shore up the defense.

 

but of course there is 0% chance of him ever here again under ashley.

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Thing with McClaren as well - they actually had Benitez's people rapping on the door. Would they even have got rid of him had that not been the case? And, in the absence of a world clad manager begging then for the opportunity, if Bruce's recruitment is anything to go by, they'd have a job locating and convincing someone competent.

 

Can't understand comments like "he sacked yet?" or "how is he still in the job?" You're several months, if not years, premature with comments like that. He's going absolutely f***ing NOWHERE, just get it out of your heads.

 

If the takeover doesn't happen before then I'd put money on Bruce being manager on the first day of next season.

 

 

Except your argument is flawed if he keeps on losing , you can’t see where he can turn this around can you? The stakes are way higher this time , I fully expect him to be sacked very soon , a lot of the bravado is wishful thinking, it should be fact ......yet I agree it would be no surprise to see him taking us down and still be in that dugout under Ashley and PIF dead and buried . Happy fuking days .

 

Since my position changed from having absolutely no concern about us being relegated, to thinking we might be relegated, my views have become a bit unstable. :laugh: So this is my caveat to the following, which I realise somewhat contradicts my first post;

 

If he does keep losing, to the extent that we end up in the relegation zone, then I suppose you'd expect them to probably pull the trigger at some point and throw all the money in the world at someone like Pearson, like they did with Shearer. But I keep thinking, beyond all rational thought, we're somehow going to get a positive result out of nowhere and we'll be more or less back on the straight and narrow. One thing I'm certain of is they won't be dreaming of making a change at this point.

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I think Bruce is only in trouble if we lost the next 3 which is just absurd.

 

Confidence will be so low at the moment because it's not like we've been unlucky in this run. If anything, the two points we did manage to get again 10 man Fulham and Liverpool were fortuitous.

 

I think any new manager will have one hell of a job to raise confidence levels that it is almost a forgone conclusion that we will go down.

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Also no chance Ashley wouldn't wait until january window is over before any change anyway.

 

That's the other thing.

 

I can see us losing the next 3 but getting a couple loans in on the last day of the window. Bruce will tell Penfold and Ashley the loan players will make a difference (they won't) and he'll end up getting a further 4 or 5 games as a result (which we'll lose).

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It's not quite as bad as Steve McClaren yet?

 

The alarm bells were screaming relegation, and the board just hung around week after week, Benitez was left with absolutely no chance of a miracle.

 

I think 3 or 4 games sooner and Rafa might have had more time to survive.

 

I can see similar mistakes, or they'll just stick with spam head

 

This is a way worse situation than Mclaren as back then we had a better squad, better players and more goals in the team. Also we were never constantly on the backfoot and had such little possession that we do now.

 

Rafa inherited Wijnaldum, Sissoko, Perez, Cisse, Townsend, Mitrovic etc. Any new manager now hasn’t got anywhere near as much quality to work with. Grim times ahead

 

There's still more than enough decent players in the squad to keep us up in my opinion. It's effectively Rafa's squad that finished the season so well in 18/19 minus Perez & Rondon who've been replaced with Wilson, ASM and Fraser. We desperately need a cental midfielder mind and the longer he leaves this, the harder it is going to be to stop the rot.

This next week really could be pivotal in our future.

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