Joelinton: will not play against Everton (Howe)

[Guest]

He’ll not even be in our top 10 most expensive transfers in 2 years time, he’ll just be a bookmark in the club’s history.

[relámpago blanco]

Ritchie should be dropped and Joelinton should play in his position with Gayle through the middle.  We are safe if we give Gayle a run of games and he gets a few goals we can probably get 10-15M for him in the summer.

[Unbelievable]

He’ll not even be in our top 10 most expensive transfers in 2 years time, he’ll just be a bookmark in the club’s history.

 

Hopefully in time we’ll look back at him as a overpriced Joselu replacement

[AyeDubbleYoo]

He was bullied by the Villa defenders.

 

He has no exceptional feature of his game to allow him to succeed as a number 9.  He doesn't have great strength, pace, intelligence, skill, movement or timing of runs. 

 

How have we paid so much for this plodder  

 

He's not a number 9 is he? That's one of the issues.

[Guest godzilla]

He was bullied by the Villa defenders.

 

He has no exceptional feature of his game to allow him to succeed as a number 9.  He doesn't have great strength, pace, intelligence, skill, movement or timing of runs. 

 

How have we paid so much for this plodder  

 

He's not a number 9 is he? That's one of the issues.

 

Let's be honest, what actually is he? I've seen virtually nothing to suggest he's anything but a very average (at best) player. Even when he is running with the ball his coordination is non existent. 

[mrmojorisin75]

taking the "he's not a number 9" thing aside, which i agree with actually, i thought the difference with carroll's first touch was incredibly jarring yesterday...he was killing the ball stone dead surrounded by defenders, with big joe the ball invariably flies off a few feet in one direction from his first touch

[Bellars]

He's tall, so Bruce thinks that he's a targetman forward, but his skillset seems to be more of a number 10 / advanced midfielder.

 

He just doesn't have the poacher instinct. For example, he was unable to anticipate the ASM cross in the first half. Not even close to the ball and would have been a tap in.

[TRon]

I haven't written him off yet, personally.

 

Sorry but take away the price tag and he’s just crap, thick or just plain stupid.

 

He never plays on the shoulder , hides from the ball, can’t shoot, has no strikers instinct and for a big lad goes in like a fanny.He has no positional awareness all summed up last night by ASM’s cross into a perfect position and yet again he was behind the ball.What he did V Sheffield U was perfect, then reverts to type and drops too deep again last night, sorry but I thought he may come back fired up, he hasn’t , he’s very very average.

 

While I agree about the lack of natural striker instinct to get in the box, that cross by ASM was travelling across the box like an exocet, don't think many strikers would have got on the end of that. Not sure you can call it a perfect cross just because Robbie Savage said so.

[Raconteur]

taking the "he's not a number 9" thing aside, which i agree with actually, i thought the difference with carroll's first touch was incredibly jarring yesterday...he was killing the ball stone dead surrounded by defenders, with big joe the ball invariably flies off a few feet in one direction from his first touch

 

Yep, thought this as well - suddenly thinking "Ah, this is what hold up play looks like".

 

Time for Andy to be a senior player and show Joe how to be a footballer, especially now he's got that new contract

[Sean]

Would like to see him in a more supportive role under a proper manager.

 

I'd like to see him earn that chance. You know, by showing...something.

 

He'd be out the door as soon as possible in reality.

[mighty__mag]

The real problem we're having here is that everything is being made easy for Joelinton. When Gayle &  Carroll came on especially Gayle, he looked annoyed, even with the goal he was fed up, reading his body language you might assume Gayle has had words about being behind a striker who isn't delivering? Why work your arse off back to fitness to sit behind a player who has played virtually every game and only managed 2 goals. Joelinton needs to spend time on the bench so he understands how to have desire and aggression to want to score and succeed as a player. If we continue to start him in every game no matter how he plays then its sending the wrong message. Obviously it boils down to Bruce and his relentless selection of the lad, but in fairness to the others it's not a good message and it will eventually piss players off that think they're worthy of playing.

 

Another poster did mention Joleinton and ASM share the same agent, I'm beginning to wonder if the amount of games Joelinton has been getting is to do with us signing ASM with part of the deal was that Joelinton had to play all games when fit or something stupid like that? Possibly daft theory, but why would Joelinton get so many games when he's not performing.

[loki679]

The real problem we're having here is that everything is being made easy for Joelinton. When Gayle &  Carroll came on especially Gayle, he looked annoyed, even with the goal he was fed up, reading his body language you might assume Gayle has had words about being behind a striker who isn't delivering? Why work your arse off back to fitness to sit behind a player who has played virtually every game and only managed 2 goals. Joelinton needs to spend time on the bench so he understands how to have desire and aggression to want to score and succeed as a player. If we continue to start him in every game no matter how he plays then its sending the wrong message. Obviously it boils down to Bruce and his relentless selection of the lad, but in fairness to the others it's not a good message and it will eventually piss players off that think they're worthy of playing.

 

Another poster did mention Joleinton and ASM share the same agent, I'm beginning to wonder if the amount of games Joelinton has been getting is to do with us signing ASM with part of the deal was that Joelinton had to play all games when fit or something stupid like that? Possibly daft theory, but why would Joelinton get so many games when he's not performing.

 

He's being asked to play a role that he's not really suited for.  He's never going to be the big lad up top who makes the ball stick and brings others in.

[mighty__mag]

The real problem we're having here is that everything is being made easy for Joelinton. When Gayle &  Carroll came on especially Gayle, he looked annoyed, even with the goal he was fed up, reading his body language you might assume Gayle has had words about being behind a striker who isn't delivering? Why work your arse off back to fitness to sit behind a player who has played virtually every game and only managed 2 goals. Joelinton needs to spend time on the bench so he understands how to have desire and aggression to want to score and succeed as a player. If we continue to start him in every game no matter how he plays then its sending the wrong message. Obviously it boils down to Bruce and his relentless selection of the lad, but in fairness to the others it's not a good message and it will eventually piss players off that think they're worthy of playing.

 

Another poster did mention Joleinton and ASM share the same agent, I'm beginning to wonder if the amount of games Joelinton has been getting is to do with us signing ASM with part of the deal was that Joelinton had to play all games when fit or something stupid like that? Possibly daft theory, but why would Joelinton get so many games when he's not performing.

 

He's being asked to play a role that he's not really suited for.  He's never going to be the big lad up top who makes the ball stick and brings others in.

 

That aside, does he actually deserve to start every game regardless of position he should/shouldn't play, his contribution in all the minutes he's had doesn't reflect that from what I've seen. Is he immune from the bench?

 

Would you get fucked off if you were a professional footballer sat on the bench watching him not deliver? The point you're making makes it even more frustrating for an actual striker sat on the bench then, if Joelinton shouldn't be playing that role, and you can see that, I'm pretty sure a pro footballer can.

 

In another example, we drop ASM and start playing Joelinton in right or left inside forward, because a few people think from the Hoffenheim days hes a wing forward, now hes playing every game there and keeping ASM or Almiron out of the side,would people be moaning, 1 million percent they would.

 

Basically wherever a player should/shouldn't be playing,  if their is better placed players play them.

 

I don't give a shit what his prefferd position is, id be looking at what he offers me, dont get me wrong, I've absolutely nothing against him, and I think Bruce keep picking him and playing him up front is the problem. But the message is wrong like I said in the other post, it just tells Joelinton no matter how you play, you'll be in the starting line up next week.

[loki679]

The real problem we're having here is that everything is being made easy for Joelinton. When Gayle &  Carroll came on especially Gayle, he looked annoyed, even with the goal he was fed up, reading his body language you might assume Gayle has had words about being behind a striker who isn't delivering? Why work your arse off back to fitness to sit behind a player who has played virtually every game and only managed 2 goals. Joelinton needs to spend time on the bench so he understands how to have desire and aggression to want to score and succeed as a player. If we continue to start him in every game no matter how he plays then its sending the wrong message. Obviously it boils down to Bruce and his relentless selection of the lad, but in fairness to the others it's not a good message and it will eventually piss players off that think they're worthy of playing.

 

Another poster did mention Joleinton and ASM share the same agent, I'm beginning to wonder if the amount of games Joelinton has been getting is to do with us signing ASM with part of the deal was that Joelinton had to play all games when fit or something stupid like that? Possibly daft theory, but why would Joelinton get so many games when he's not performing.

 

He's being asked to play a role that he's not really suited for.  He's never going to be the big lad up top who makes the ball stick and brings others in.

 

Bruce keep picking him and playing him up front is the problem.

 

There it is.  I'd actually like to see ASM, Almiron and Joelinton played behind Carroll (for want of anyone better).  I think that could be quite a good combo.

[mighty__mag]

The real problem we're having here is that everything is being made easy for Joelinton. When Gayle &  Carroll came on especially Gayle, he looked annoyed, even with the goal he was fed up, reading his body language you might assume Gayle has had words about being behind a striker who isn't delivering? Why work your arse off back to fitness to sit behind a player who has played virtually every game and only managed 2 goals. Joelinton needs to spend time on the bench so he understands how to have desire and aggression to want to score and succeed as a player. If we continue to start him in every game no matter how he plays then its sending the wrong message. Obviously it boils down to Bruce and his relentless selection of the lad, but in fairness to the others it's not a good message and it will eventually piss players off that think they're worthy of playing.

 

Another poster did mention Joleinton and ASM share the same agent, I'm beginning to wonder if the amount of games Joelinton has been getting is to do with us signing ASM with part of the deal was that Joelinton had to play all games when fit or something stupid like that? Possibly daft theory, but why would Joelinton get so many games when he's not performing.

 

He's being asked to play a role that he's not really suited for.  He's never going to be the big lad up top who makes the ball stick and brings others in.

 

Bruce keep picking him and playing him up front is the problem.

 

There it is.  I'd actually like to see ASM, Almiron and Joelinton played behind Carroll (for want of anyone better).  I think that could be quite a good combo.

 

You've just done a Tory (Matt Hancock), and skirted around what was said, Joelinton keeping ASM or Almiron out? Not them three behind Carroll.

 

Although that would be interesting.

[sh74]

Put himself about a bit when he came on.

[Dr Jinx]

Put himself about a bit when he came on.

 

Agreed, also looked far more useful playing a deeper role ?‍♂️

[Slim]

Put himself about a bit when he came on.

 

Did a few fouls...Class

[SEMTEX]

I reckon our scouts went out trying to find a natural successor to Shola and ended up finding Joelinton.

 

Apart from the former actually kicked the ball at the goal once in a while. Joelinton gets into the box and immediately QWOPs.

[Newcastle Fan]

He was tragic today in a game that we dominated from start to finish and won 4-1

[joeyt]

He was fine I thought

[CPL]

Anyone have the clip when he did a fancy back heel pass in the second half?

[SteveMc]

Aye. Was shite today

[Rod]

He was probably the only Newcastle player that had a poor game tonight.  He's awful.

[toontownman]

He is just too much of a luxury when he offers nothing in or near the box other than playing hot potato and trying to get rid of the ball as soon as he can. How can a Striker be so petrified to attack? Really solid performance otherwise but without doing what he was bought to do and the basic job of a striker he is a bit pointless. Just lacks any killer instinct.