joeyt Posted 6 hours ago Share Posted 6 hours ago 57 minutes ago, Dan said: Not a CM. He barely played there tonight Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted 6 hours ago Share Posted 6 hours ago 58 minutes ago, Dan said: Not a CM. True. Isak's not a goalie. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted 4 hours ago Share Posted 4 hours ago On another night those chances go in and we're bowing at his feet. I thought he was brilliant tonight and didn't deserve to be on the losing side or come off. Correlation isn't causation and all that but when he came off we completely felt apart. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted 4 hours ago Share Posted 4 hours ago First half he was our best player. Shouldn't have started out on the right but did a decent job and likewise did similar on the left. I though Bruno was fairly anonymous, Gordon wasn't his usual influential self and Willock just had a bad day at the office. Kelly lost his man for the first and then we were on the back foot with no real leaders. Missed Dan Burn and Trippier for that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted 4 hours ago Share Posted 4 hours ago 1 minute ago, Heron said: First half he was our best player. Shouldn't have started out on the right but did a decent job and likewise did similar on the left. I though Bruno was fairly anonymous, Gordon wasn't his usual influential self and Willock just had a bad day at the office. Kelly lost his man for the first and then we were on the back foot with no real leaders. Missed Dan Burn and Trippier for that. Our ambition is top 4/5 and we lost at home to West fucking Ham because we missed Dan Burn and a 34 year old Kieran Trippier. Surely even you must cringe when you come out with stuff like that in *defence* of the manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted 4 hours ago Share Posted 4 hours ago 1 minute ago, Ronaldo said: Our ambition is top 4/5 and we lost at home to West fucking Ham because we missed Dan Burn and a 34 year old Kieran Trippier. Surely even you must cringe when you come out with stuff like that in *defence* of the manager. We missed them for their leadership. I didn't say it would necessarily have changed the result. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
St. Maximin Posted 4 hours ago Share Posted 4 hours ago Maybe I’m not following him as closely in recent times (haven’t seen as much live football this season), but where has the view he’s not a centre mid come from? I get that for the balance of the team he shouldn’t necessarily play there, but the reason he turned his career round here and got himself into the Brazil squad was because Eddie played him there and he became our player of the season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
80 Posted 4 hours ago Share Posted 4 hours ago 12 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said: On another night those chances go in and we're bowing at his feet. I thought he was brilliant tonight and didn't deserve to be on the losing side or come off. Correlation isn't causation and all that but when he came off we completely felt apart. Do we know why he came off? Was it just straight tactics? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted 4 hours ago Share Posted 4 hours ago (edited) How about this, even very good teams have unfashionable players that are more important than you might think. Edited 4 hours ago by Kid Icarus Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted 4 hours ago Share Posted 4 hours ago Just now, Ronaldo said: Our ambition is top 4/5 and we lost at home to West fucking Ham because we missed Dan Burn and a 34 year old Kieran Trippier. Surely even you must cringe when you come out with stuff like that in *defence* of the manager. Why does every opponent we face, outside of roughly Liverpool and Man City, have to be portrayed as dogshit? Makes the discourse so much worse. I'm not saying it's a forgivable result but we've not been beaten by some no-marks there; they've had a ropey start but were very good tonight. The league is extremely competitive this year. Even apparent crap like Southampton are capable of giving the runaway leaders a scare. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted 4 hours ago Share Posted 4 hours ago 1 minute ago, 80 said: Do we know why he came off? Was it just straight tactics? Really not sure. He did seem like he was tiring a bit, but we definitely lost something when he went off regardless. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted 4 hours ago Share Posted 4 hours ago 1 minute ago, Yorkie said: Why does every opponent we face, outside of roughly Liverpool and Man City, have to be portrayed as dogshit? Makes the discourse so much worse. I'm not saying it's a forgivable result but we've not been beaten by some no-marks there; they've had a ropey start but were very good tonight. The league is extremely competitive this year. Even apparent crap like Southampton are capable of giving the runaway leaders a scare. If that makes you feel better that we’re 10th and only going one way, so be it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sempiternal Posted 4 hours ago Share Posted 4 hours ago This west ham team is very very bad. Regardless of the result they are so poor Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted 4 hours ago Share Posted 4 hours ago (edited) 3 minutes ago, Ronaldo said: If that makes you feel better that we’re 10th and only going one way, so be it. Really? Last time I checked we're a win away from 6th and potentially only 2 points behind Man City. Edited 4 hours ago by Heron Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McDog Posted 4 hours ago Share Posted 4 hours ago Just now, Heron said: Really? Last time I checked we're a win away from 6th and potentially only 2 points behind Man City. Not acceptable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted 4 hours ago Share Posted 4 hours ago Just now, McDog said: Not acceptable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted 4 hours ago Share Posted 4 hours ago 2 minutes ago, Heron said: Really? Last time I checked we're a win away from 6th and potentially only 2 points behind Man City. With this squad and this manager, do you see us finishing top 6? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted 4 hours ago Share Posted 4 hours ago Just now, Ronaldo said: With this squad and this manager, do you see us finishing top 6? I don't see why not. So I'll nail my colours to the mast. Yes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted 4 hours ago Share Posted 4 hours ago 1 minute ago, Sempiternal said: This west ham team is very very bad. Regardless of the result they are so poor Honestly, the match still bears that out for me. They gave up so many chances. This wasn't a resolute defensive display or some incredible counter attack trap, we missed huge chances, they took what they had then played well at 2-0. It might give them the confidence to go on a run but there was no sea change in most of that performance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McDog Posted 4 hours ago Share Posted 4 hours ago (edited) Just now, Heron said: I don't see why not. So I'll nail my colours to the mast. Yes. I'm sure most are frustrated but there is alot of season left and a January window. If the team finishes midtable at the end of the season Mr. Howe might be out and that is just how it is. That hasn't happened yet so let's see what happens. they can make Europe with the team they have. Have to get more consistent. Edited 4 hours ago by McDog Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted 4 hours ago Share Posted 4 hours ago 6 minutes ago, Ronaldo said: If that makes you feel better that we’re 10th and only going one way, so be it. I don't feel better, I just feel relatively relaxed about most defeats these days. It's just very tedious when reality gets ignored in favour of made-up stuff like our opponents being shite, or something. The table position doesn't even mean that much when it's so tight and our immediate competitors are also stuttering. The teams currently in 7th, 8th, 9th, 10th, 11th, 12th and 13th all dropped bad points this weekend - most giving then away to teams lower in the table. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sempiternal Posted 4 hours ago Share Posted 4 hours ago 2 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said: Honestly, the match still bears that out for me. They gave up so many chances. This wasn't a resolute defensive display or some incredible counter attack trap, we missed huge chances, they took what they had then played well at 2-0. It might give them the confidence to go on a run but there was no sea change in most of that performance. I honestly thought they were awful. I’m shook we didn’t beat them. I thought they were trash Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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KaKa Posted 4 hours ago Share Posted 4 hours ago 16 minutes ago, St. Maximin said: Maybe I’m not following him as closely in recent times (haven’t seen as much live football this season), but where has the view he’s not a centre mid come from? I get that for the balance of the team he shouldn’t necessarily play there, but the reason he turned his career round here and got himself into the Brazil squad was because Eddie played him there and he became our player of the season. He's been a lot better in possession and as a part of stringing things together in the final third when he plays further up the pitch. He roams and interchanges with other players brilliantly and it just works really well. He had started getting into a habit of dwelling on the ball in central areas and getting dispossessed in dangerous areas. It was just more clunky. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted 4 hours ago Share Posted 4 hours ago 4 minutes ago, Yorkie said: What's wrong? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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