Allan Saint-Maximin (now playing for Fenerbahce, on loan from Al-Ahli)

[Kid Icarus]

4 minutes ago, NobbySolano said:

 

We'll disagree.

 

5 assists 1 goal is hardly a contribution to "deserve" a spot in the UCL squad. 

 

Exciting to watch is subjective. First free steps are exciting, until you see the key of the product with the ball in the stands or a turnover for a fast break. Could he turn on some magic? Sure. Reliably? Nah.

 

Teams not going for him at what posters here say he should be going for is a valid point. If he was worth that then surely someone would pay it. I don't care what Barnes goes for. We'll pay what we think he is worth.

 

SA is over paying for all players, which is why nobody else is really going for them. You are making my point.

 

 

His per 90 assists are the best around. At least move on to the 'but he doesn't play enough' point. 

 

Aye it is subjective and loads of people think he's exciting, they're not wrong.

 

Okay so no one else is in for him, which is a valid point and indicates that he can't be that good, but no one else being in for Barnes doesn't matter. I doubt I need to explain why the stance should be one or the other.

[LFEE]

1 hour ago, GideonShandy said:

How does the "player wages" factor help?

 

ASM is supposedly on 40,000 quid per week (2million a year)

https://www.spotrac.com/epl/newcastle-united-fc/allan-saint-maximin-32735/#:~:text=Current Contract,cap hit of £2%2C000%2C000.

 

I imagine we'll be paying Barnes considerably more than that.

Thought it was fairly common knowledge he was on low wages compared to the rest of squad. Another reason why I thought we could accommodate him for 12 more months ??‍♂️ 

[Aiston]

https://www.whoscored.com/Players/331382/Fixtures/Harvey-Barnes

https://www.whoscored.com/Players/135891/Fixtures/Allan-Saint-Maximin


If Barnes even gives us half of what he did for Leicester last season, he'd be worth the selling of ASM.

[The College Dropout]

The Barnes thing. We’ll need to see him play 20 games. And everyone will understand the points some are trying to raise about all-round game. 

[Pata]

11 minutes ago, Aiston said:

https://www.whoscored.com/Players/331382/Fixtures/Harvey-Barnes

https://www.whoscored.com/Players/135891/Fixtures/Allan-Saint-Maximin


If Barnes even gives us half of what he did for Leicester last season, he'd be worth the selling of ASM.

ASM had two MotM’s compared to Barnes’ 0 and a higher average rating (6.80 to 6.66).

 

At least all those goals meant Leicester had a decent season. 

[NobbySolano]

4 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

 

His per 90 assists are the best around. At least move on to the 'but he doesn't play enough' point. 

 

Aye it is subjective and loads of people think he's exciting, they're not wrong.

 

Okay so no one else is in for him, which is a valid point and indicates that he can't be that good, but no one else being in for Barnes doesn't matter. I doubt I need to explain why the stance should be one or the other.

 

 

It's not that hard to understand. Whatever a player goes for is it's actual market value.

 

There is only one group claiming to know better and saying ASM is undervalued. Yet nobody is bidding for him, and if/when they do then he'll go for his real market value. 

 

I personally think he should go for more, but the histrionics are over the top.

 

You are right, fun is subjective. To a point. 

[Bimpy474]

Why are you so weird ?

[McDog]

11 minutes ago, Bimpy474 said:

Why are you so weird ?

 

 

He is right though.

"Whatever a player goes for is it's actual market value."

[elbee909]

It's a strange one as I'm happy if he stays, happy if he goes. Can see balanced reasoning either way.

[Displayname]

No way that the fee is £30m or below. He has a £32m value on transfermarkt, Saudi could easily pay 40-50 without people raising an eyebrow. People who follow other teams dont remember his injury record or that he sometimes can be frustrating to watch. 
 

[Newcastle Fan]

If its Barnes that we see as his replacment then thats quite the downgrade

[Thomson Mouse]

No problem with this. Getting a more effective winger and having the money and the chance to loan ASM back (according to Howe) is decent business.

[astraguy]

30m is shit given we'll be spending that on Barnes,but we if can loan him back that's class.does the Saudi league run the same time as the pren?

[r0cafella]

2 minutes ago, astraguy said:

30m is shit given we'll be spending that on Barnes,but we if can loan him back that's class.does the Saudi league run the same time as the pren?

It is shit, we should be getting much more but let’s wait for the official announcement. 
 

We won’t be loaning him back. 

[SUPERTOON]

1 hour ago, Newcastle Fan said:

If its Barnes that we see as his replacment then thats quite the downgrade

In what sense ?

[Thomson Mouse]

55 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

It is shit, we should be getting much more but let’s wait for the official announcement. 
 

We won’t be loaning him back. 

 

Howe said it was a possibility

[Manxst]

Just now, Thomson Mouse said:

 

Howe said it was a possibility

Did he? I can’t find any quotes for this. Have you got a link? 

[r0cafella]

Just now, Thomson Mouse said:

 

Howe said it was a possibility

He did? I think he was referring to the deal falling through no?

[NE27]

Seems a pity but I'm sure we were always warned about casualties when it comes to selling popular players to help fund the project due to ffp limitations.

 

I'm sure of we could sell darlow/Lewis/hendrick/Fraser for this supposed 30m we would be all over it, fact of the matter is we have a toybox full of shit broken toys that nobody else wants to buy off us.

 

Pretty gutted, but understanding (hope we do use it to good effect at least)

[Thomson Mouse]

6 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

He did? I think he was referring to the deal falling through no?

 

Yeah you're right when I've read it again 

 

 

Edited July 19, 2023 by Thomson Mouse

[James]

As others have said it is likely that we will be downflating the media reporting of the fee as it will clearly be a controversial sale in the eyes of the rest of the league, so bare that in mind when whinging about the price.

[bobbydazzla]

Find it telling that Maxi’s going to Saudi at 26.

 

If he was genuinely viewed as hot property, at his age a decent side in a decent league would have been in for him.

 

It’s been clear he’s not part of Howe’s mid term plans so if clubs fancied him they would have acted. Especially for £30m. 

 

 

Edited July 19, 2023 by bobbydazzla

[r0cafella]

1 minute ago, bobbydazzla said:

Find it telling that Maxi’s going to Saudi at 26.

 

If he was genuinely hot property, at his age a decent side in a decent league would have been in for him.

 

It’s been clear he’s not part of Howe’s mid term plans so if decent club fancied him they would have acted. Especially for £30m. 

 

 

 

Disagree personally, I think football has moved on in terms of a lot of clubs who can’t win are targeting younger players and looking to flip them. 
 

Also, financial other leagues can’t compete and pay the fees demanded by EPL sides. 

[Displayname]

5 minutes ago, bobbydazzla said:

Find it telling that Maxi’s going to Saudi at 26.

 

If he was genuinely hot property, at his age a decent side in a decent league would have been in for him.

 

It’s been clear he’s not part of Howe’s mid term plans so if decent club fancied him they would have acted. Especially for £30m. 

 

 

 

All depending on you believing the dodgy £30m rumours.

[Hanshithispantz]

This has nothing to do with FFP man, you don't sell Maxi for the same price or less than you're bringing in someone in the same position 'to improve FFP'.

 

Again what we're telling the media just makes no sense. Maxi's always seemed dispensable to Howe, a shame as he's unplayable on his day, and great to watch, but Barnes (or whoever) will likely end up contributing a lot more.