Miggys First Goal Posted April 26, 2020 Share Posted April 26, 2020 Scroll, scroll, scroll, scroll. Any news? Only that Penn would be happy to see Keegan beheaded. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted April 26, 2020 Share Posted April 26, 2020 Beyond any connection with the football club, I have to say I find that a pretty disturbing precedent for the city like. Who knows though, anything could happen. Exact opposite. I honestly feel that this would be a greater benefit to the city than to the club itself. If they do similar to what the Man City owners have done in Manchester then it would be massive for Newcastle and the North East. I’ve said it before, it’s ok living in London and Manchester and saying we should reject this money, but the fact is this area has been deprived of investment for generations. We don’t have a queue of people flocking to invest here. We are not in a position to turn down anyone’s money, look at how NCC are accepting projects in the city of lower quality than is being proposed elsewhere and even in smaller southern towns and cities. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomson Mouse Posted April 26, 2020 Share Posted April 26, 2020 What is a club in any case? Not the buildings or the directors or the people who are paid to represent it. It's not the television contracts, get-out clauses, marketing departments or executive boxes. It's having loads of money to spend on players and ignoring everything else. the noise, the passion, the feeling of belonging, the pride in your city. Ironically, having owners who will invest in the club, the buildings and the city will bring back the noise, the pride and the passion IMO. It's been the exact opposite when we've been run like a cold hard business. Like Man City? How was the atmosphere at City before they started winning stuff? I don't remember it being that great tbh, plenty of them were converting to Man U as their favourite club. Nah, they were pretty loyal but were the self proclaimed ‘best fans in the world’. There used to several attendance arguments with usas they had the nerve to sing ‘where were you when you were shit’ at us at St James’. Genuine question, do you think the loyal City fans regret any of the success they've had under the new ownership? Even without winning anything, I'll bet they would have enjoyed just being in a position to compete again. I’ve no idea mate. I used to catch up with the King of the Kippax boys when I went there but have lost touch. If I was going to answer it then I’d say I’d have been most disappointed with the Hughes era. Seeing a prick like Robinho sulking on the bench with his earphones in would’ve pissed me off. If you get a manager like Pep or Rafa who connects the players with the area then it’s great, despit the money they’re on and you can’t argue with what’s happened to a run down, wasteland of an area. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWN Posted April 26, 2020 Share Posted April 26, 2020 https://twitter.com/stevewraith/status/1254358947919736833?s=21 Ian Dowie goes onto my canny lad list Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BennyBlanco Posted April 26, 2020 Share Posted April 26, 2020 What is a club in any case? Not the buildings or the directors or the people who are paid to represent it. It's not the television contracts, get-out clauses, marketing departments or executive boxes. It's having loads of money to spend on players and ignoring everything else. the noise, the passion, the feeling of belonging, the pride in your city. Ironically, having owners who will invest in the club, the buildings and the city will bring back the noise, the pride and the passion IMO. It's been the exact opposite when we've been run like a cold hard business. Like Man City? How was the atmosphere at City before they started winning stuff? I don't remember it being that great tbh, plenty of them were converting to Man U as their favourite club. Nah, they were pretty loyal but were the self proclaimed ‘best fans in the world’. There used to several attendance arguments with usas they had the nerve to sing ‘where were you when you were s***’ at us at St James’. They had good attendances in lower league football for sure. They were decent fans. I think the same thing that happened to them will happen to us. It’s a fatigue really more than anything. Yeah they had decent crowds when they were where the mackems are now. They are just normal arrogant Mancs in the hear then before you see them Noel Gallagher mould and mouthed off too much. Maine Road was a good old ground, bloody nightmare to get in and out of though. Don't agree with this at all. The long time city fans are, for the most part, decent lads who share a very similiar outlook to us toon fans. They've found themselves in a very fortunate position that, fingers crossed, we may find ourselves in. Ask the clued up amongst them and I'm sure they'll tell you the best time for them was in the old second division with players like Sean Wright Phillips and Jon Macken - I'm sure in ten years time we'll be telling anyone who listens about going down with Rafa Benitez and that amazing season in the Championship..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bhoywhonder Posted April 26, 2020 Share Posted April 26, 2020 Beyond any connection with the football club, I have to say I find that a pretty disturbing precedent for the city like. Oh do f*** off. There's life outside the NUFC bubble you live in round here and believe it or not there's thousands of people in 'the city' who couldnt give a s*** either way. f***ing grow up man. I wonder why my personal view on it has touched such a nerve with you. Very strange You don't wonder that at all you sanctimonious tit. There's nothing strange about you being held to account when you stray beyond the subject of the ownership of NUFC to have a pop at the city itself. Would you care to expand on why it's a "disturbing precedent" or are you just flinging out word salad to feel a bit more smug than you already do? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted April 26, 2020 Share Posted April 26, 2020 Beyond any connection with the football club, I have to say I find that a pretty disturbing precedent for the city like. Who knows though, anything could happen. exact opposite. I honestly feel that this would be a greater benefit to the city than to the club itself. If they do similar to what the Man City owners have done in Manchester then it would be massive for Newcastle and the North East. I’ve said it before, it’s ok living in London and Manchester and saying we should reject this money, but the fact is this area has been deprived of investment for generations. We don’t have a queue of people flocking to invest here. We are not in a position to turn down anyone’s money, look at how NCC are accepting projects in the city of lower quality than is being proposed elsewhere and even in smaller southern towns and cities. You've cut out what I was talking about though? The people now batting for the Saudis. Regeneration is another matter and anyone's guess is as good as anyone else's. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted April 26, 2020 Share Posted April 26, 2020 What is a club in any case? Not the buildings or the directors or the people who are paid to represent it. It's not the television contracts, get-out clauses, marketing departments or executive boxes. It's having loads of money to spend on players and ignoring everything else. the noise, the passion, the feeling of belonging, the pride in your city. I think everyones well aware of your opinion without you having to repeat it every 2 minutes. The ability to post after deleting your account is quite impressive also As I mentioned, that was in response to specific posts and I can post whatever I want. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted April 26, 2020 Share Posted April 26, 2020 What is a club in any case? Not the buildings or the directors or the people who are paid to represent it. It's not the television contracts, get-out clauses, marketing departments or executive boxes. It's having loads of money to spend on players and ignoring everything else. the noise, the passion, the feeling of belonging, the pride in your city. I think everyones well aware of your opinion without you having to repeat it every 2 minutes. The ability to post after deleting your account is quite impressive also N-O will be beheading the naysayers in no time Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shays Given Tim Flowers Posted April 26, 2020 Share Posted April 26, 2020 What is a club in any case? Not the buildings or the directors or the people who are paid to represent it. It's not the television contracts, get-out clauses, marketing departments or executive boxes. It's having loads of money to spend on players and ignoring everything else. the noise, the passion, the feeling of belonging, the pride in your city. I think everyones well aware of your opinion without you having to repeat it every 2 minutes. The ability to post after deleting your account is quite impressive also N-O will be beheading the naysayers in no time Could get on board with someone cutting one of HTT’s hands off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomson Mouse Posted April 26, 2020 Share Posted April 26, 2020 What is a club in any case? Not the buildings or the directors or the people who are paid to represent it. It's not the television contracts, get-out clauses, marketing departments or executive boxes. It's having loads of money to spend on players and ignoring everything else. the noise, the passion, the feeling of belonging, the pride in your city. Ironically, having owners who will invest in the club, the buildings and the city will bring back the noise, the pride and the passion IMO. It's been the exact opposite when we've been run like a cold hard business. Like Man City? How was the atmosphere at City before they started winning stuff? I don't remember it being that great tbh, plenty of them were converting to Man U as their favourite club. Nah, they were pretty loyal but were the self proclaimed ‘best fans in the world’. There used to several attendance arguments with usas they had the nerve to sing ‘where were you when you were s***’ at us at St James’. They had good attendances in lower league football for sure. They were decent fans. I think the same thing that happened to them will happen to us. It’s a fatigue really more than anything. Yeah they had decent crowds when they were where the mackems are now. They are just normal arrogant Mancs in the hear then before you see them Noel Gallagher mould and mouthed off too much. Maine Road was a good old ground, bloody nightmare to get in and out of though. Don't agree with this at all. The long time city fans are, for the most part, decent lads who share a very similiar outlook to us toon fans. They've found themselves in a very fortunate position that, fingers crossed, we may find ourselves in. Ask the clued up amongst them and I'm sure they'll tell you the best time for them was in the old second division with players like Sean Wright Phillips and Jon Macken - I'm sure in ten years time we'll be telling anyone who listens about going down with Rafa Benitez and that amazing season in the Championship..... Yeah, mine was maybe a bit of a crass generalisation. There’s decent lads there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LV Posted April 26, 2020 Share Posted April 26, 2020 Aside from everyone arguing their points and getting triggered all over the place, has there been any actual developments? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Posted April 26, 2020 Share Posted April 26, 2020 What is a club in any case? Not the buildings or the directors or the people who are paid to represent it. It's not the television contracts, get-out clauses, marketing departments or executive boxes. It's having loads of money to spend on players and ignoring everything else. the noise, the passion, the feeling of belonging, the pride in your city. I think everyones well aware of your opinion without you having to repeat it every 2 minutes. The ability to post after deleting your account is quite impressive also N-O will be beheading the naysayers in no time Nah he's just very repetitive. We're not all supporting the Saudi state and their policies here, but some seem to want to have a go at anyone who isn't fully against this purported takeover. Honest question, would you prefer Ashley to stay? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted April 26, 2020 Share Posted April 26, 2020 What is a club in any case? Not the buildings or the directors or the people who are paid to represent it. It's not the television contracts, get-out clauses, marketing departments or executive boxes. It's having loads of money to spend on players and ignoring everything else. the noise, the passion, the feeling of belonging, the pride in your city. I think everyones well aware of your opinion without you having to repeat it every 2 minutes. The ability to post after deleting your account is quite impressive also N-O will be beheading the naysayers in no time Nah he's just very repetitive. We're not all supporting the Saudi state and their policies here, but some seem to want to have a go at anyone who isn't fully against this purported takeover. Honest question, would you prefer Ashley to stay? Don't really care. Not supporting the team now with Ashley, won't be supporting with the Saudis in charge Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted April 26, 2020 Share Posted April 26, 2020 I think the peak of the criticism has past for now. The curve has been flattened if you will. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Posted April 26, 2020 Share Posted April 26, 2020 What is a club in any case? Not the buildings or the directors or the people who are paid to represent it. It's not the television contracts, get-out clauses, marketing departments or executive boxes. It's having loads of money to spend on players and ignoring everything else. the noise, the passion, the feeling of belonging, the pride in your city. I think everyones well aware of your opinion without you having to repeat it every 2 minutes. The ability to post after deleting your account is quite impressive also As I mentioned, that was in response to specific posts and I can post whatever I want. Of course you can, but you're only having the effect of making others dig trenches basically. There has to be a way we can have a more amicable debate here ffs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS Posted April 26, 2020 Share Posted April 26, 2020 What is a club in any case? Not the buildings or the directors or the people who are paid to represent it. It's not the television contracts, get-out clauses, marketing departments or executive boxes. It's having loads of money to spend on players and ignoring everything else. the noise, the passion, the feeling of belonging, the pride in your city. Ironically, having owners who will invest in the club, the buildings and the city will bring back the noise, the pride and the passion IMO. It's been the exact opposite when we've been run like a cold hard business. Like Man City? How was the atmosphere at City before they started winning stuff? I don't remember it being that great tbh, plenty of them were converting to Man U as their favourite club. Nah, they were pretty loyal but were the self proclaimed ‘best fans in the world’. There used to several attendance arguments with usas they had the nerve to sing ‘where were you when you were s***’ at us at St James’. They had good attendances in lower league football for sure. They were decent fans. I think the same thing that happened to them will happen to us. It’s a fatigue really more than anything. Yeah they had decent crowds when they were where the mackems are now. They are just normal arrogant Mancs in the hear then before you see them Noel Gallagher mould and mouthed off too much. Maine Road was a good old ground, bloody nightmare to get in and out of though. Don't agree with this at all. The long time city fans are, for the most part, decent lads who share a very similiar outlook to us toon fans. They've found themselves in a very fortunate position that, fingers crossed, we may find ourselves in. Ask the clued up amongst them and I'm sure they'll tell you the best time for them was in the old second division with players like Sean Wright Phillips and Jon Macken - I'm sure in ten years time we'll be telling anyone who listens about going down with Rafa Benitez and that amazing season in the Championship..... Yeah, mine was maybe a bit of a crass generalisation. There’s decent lads there. Apart from the new members. Apple cart upsetters the lot of them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted April 26, 2020 Share Posted April 26, 2020 Beyond any connection with the football club, I have to say I find that a pretty disturbing precedent for the city like. Oh do f*** off. There's life outside the NUFC bubble you live in round here and believe it or not there's thousands of people in 'the city' who couldnt give a s*** either way. f***ing grow up man. I wonder why my personal view on it has touched such a nerve with you. Very strange You don't wonder that at all you sanctimonious tit. There's nothing strange about you being held to account when you stray beyond the subject of the ownership of NUFC to have a pop at the city itself. Would you care to expand on why it's a "disturbing precedent" or are you just flinging out word salad to feel a bit more smug than you already do? I do wonder considering I don't think what I said was inflammatory enough to warrant such a hysterical reaction, yeah. Not sure how it's sanctimonious or smug to see Newcastle fans online do things like attack Khashoggi's grieving fiance and worry about that level of defensive sentiment spreading if the Saudis improve the area, for example, and how that impacts on the city's reputation. I mean all I've said is that I find the mere idea of that disturbing and you've felt it necessary to attack that opinion, so... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomson Mouse Posted April 26, 2020 Share Posted April 26, 2020 What is a club in any case? Not the buildings or the directors or the people who are paid to represent it. It's not the television contracts, get-out clauses, marketing departments or executive boxes. It's having loads of money to spend on players and ignoring everything else. the noise, the passion, the feeling of belonging, the pride in your city. Ironically, having owners who will invest in the club, the buildings and the city will bring back the noise, the pride and the passion IMO. It's been the exact opposite when we've been run like a cold hard business. Like Man City? How was the atmosphere at City before they started winning stuff? I don't remember it being that great tbh, plenty of them were converting to Man U as their favourite club. Nah, they were pretty loyal but were the self proclaimed ‘best fans in the world’. There used to several attendance arguments with usas they had the nerve to sing ‘where were you when you were s***’ at us at St James’. They had good attendances in lower league football for sure. They were decent fans. I think the same thing that happened to them will happen to us. It’s a fatigue really more than anything. Yeah they had decent crowds when they were where the mackems are now. They are just normal arrogant Mancs in the hear then before you see them Noel Gallagher mould and mouthed off too much. Maine Road was a good old ground, bloody nightmare to get in and out of though. Don't agree with this at all. The long time city fans are, for the most part, decent lads who share a very similiar outlook to us toon fans. They've found themselves in a very fortunate position that, fingers crossed, we may find ourselves in. Ask the clued up amongst them and I'm sure they'll tell you the best time for them was in the old second division with players like Sean Wright Phillips and Jon Macken - I'm sure in ten years time we'll be telling anyone who listens about going down with Rafa Benitez and that amazing season in the Championship..... Yeah, mine was maybe a bit of a crass generalisation. There’s decent lads there. Apart from the new members. Apple cart upsetters the lot of them. Sorry, didn’t understand that mate Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS Posted April 26, 2020 Share Posted April 26, 2020 What is a club in any case? Not the buildings or the directors or the people who are paid to represent it. It's not the television contracts, get-out clauses, marketing departments or executive boxes. It's having loads of money to spend on players and ignoring everything else. the noise, the passion, the feeling of belonging, the pride in your city. Ironically, having owners who will invest in the club, the buildings and the city will bring back the noise, the pride and the passion IMO. It's been the exact opposite when we've been run like a cold hard business. Like Man City? How was the atmosphere at City before they started winning stuff? I don't remember it being that great tbh, plenty of them were converting to Man U as their favourite club. Nah, they were pretty loyal but were the self proclaimed ‘best fans in the world’. There used to several attendance arguments with usas they had the nerve to sing ‘where were you when you were s***’ at us at St James’. They had good attendances in lower league football for sure. They were decent fans. I think the same thing that happened to them will happen to us. It’s a fatigue really more than anything. Yeah they had decent crowds when they were where the mackems are now. They are just normal arrogant Mancs in the hear then before you see them Noel Gallagher mould and mouthed off too much. Maine Road was a good old ground, bloody nightmare to get in and out of though. Don't agree with this at all. The long time city fans are, for the most part, decent lads who share a very similiar outlook to us toon fans. They've found themselves in a very fortunate position that, fingers crossed, we may find ourselves in. Ask the clued up amongst them and I'm sure they'll tell you the best time for them was in the old second division with players like Sean Wright Phillips and Jon Macken - I'm sure in ten years time we'll be telling anyone who listens about going down with Rafa Benitez and that amazing season in the Championship..... Yeah, mine was maybe a bit of a crass generalisation. There’s decent lads there. Apart from the new members. Apple cart upsetters the lot of them. Sorry, didn’t understand that mate msg7203868 date=1587876463] New members everywhere. This has gone to shite. Manorpark though :lol: Manorpark is a long time poster, he just posts infrequently. I know, I was referring to the other new members My poor effort at a joke! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted April 26, 2020 Share Posted April 26, 2020 What is a club in any case? Not the buildings or the directors or the people who are paid to represent it. It's not the television contracts, get-out clauses, marketing departments or executive boxes. It's having loads of money to spend on players and ignoring everything else. the noise, the passion, the feeling of belonging, the pride in your city. I think everyones well aware of your opinion without you having to repeat it every 2 minutes. The ability to post after deleting your account is quite impressive also As I mentioned, that was in response to specific posts and I can post whatever I want. Of course you can, but you're only having the effect of making others dig trenches basically. There has to be a way we can have a more amicable debate here ffs. Sorry, but posters were saying they wanted the Saudis over another potential U.S option and that unless it was someone with Jeff Bezos' wealth they weren't interested. They chose which trench to dig and I thought an edit of SBR's quote, the original of which we're all happy to repeat as representative of being a football supporter, was an effective way to highlight that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted April 26, 2020 Share Posted April 26, 2020 Beyond any connection with the football club, I have to say I find that a pretty disturbing precedent for the city like. Oh do f*** off. There's life outside the NUFC bubble you live in round here and believe it or not there's thousands of people in 'the city' who couldnt give a s*** either way. f***ing grow up man. I wonder why my personal view on it has touched such a nerve with you. Very strange You don't wonder that at all you sanctimonious tit. There's nothing strange about you being held to account when you stray beyond the subject of the ownership of NUFC to have a pop at the city itself. Would you care to expand on why it's a "disturbing precedent" or are you just flinging out word salad to feel a bit more smug than you already do? I do wonder considering I don't think what I said was inflammatory enough to warrant such a hysterical reaction, yeah. Not sure how it's sanctimonious or smug to see Newcastle fans online do things like attack Khashoggi's grieving fiance and worry about that level of defensive sentiment spreading if the Saudis improve the area, for example, and how that impacts on the city's reputation. I mean all I've said is that I find the mere idea of that disturbing and you've felt it necessary to attack that opinion, so... Personally, I get offended by the generalisation that most Newcastle fans are like the morons on twitter and more specifically the sort of morons that would tweet a grieving widow. It was a few nobheads who likely acted without thinking. It's also hardly a surprise that the people of Newcastle are excited by the prospect of good football, alongside investment into the area. Do you think SA enters peoples thoughts on a daily basis or indeed would affect their thinking? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bhoywhonder Posted April 26, 2020 Share Posted April 26, 2020 Beyond any connection with the football club, I have to say I find that a pretty disturbing precedent for the city like. Oh do f*** off. There's life outside the NUFC bubble you live in round here and believe it or not there's thousands of people in 'the city' who couldnt give a s*** either way. f***ing grow up man. I wonder why my personal view on it has touched such a nerve with you. Very strange You don't wonder that at all you sanctimonious tit. There's nothing strange about you being held to account when you stray beyond the subject of the ownership of NUFC to have a pop at the city itself. Would you care to expand on why it's a "disturbing precedent" or are you just flinging out word salad to feel a bit more smug than you already do? I do wonder considering I don't think what I said was inflammatory enough to warrant such a hysterical reaction, yeah. Not sure how it's sanctimonious or smug to see Newcastle fans online do things like attack Khashoggi's grieving fiance and worry about that level of defensive sentiment spreading if the Saudis improve the area, for example, and how that impacts on the city's reputation. I mean all I've said is that I find the mere idea of that disturbing and you've felt it necessary to attack that opinion, so... How the hell does that impact on "the cities reputation"? You've gone from some arsehole on Twitter giving a widow grief, which as anyone with a brain agrees is absolutely repugnant, to that's a "pretty disturbing precedent for the city like". So, ok, I'll bite.... In my professional capacity I have to help rehome people new to the country. Help them find homes, jobs, learn the language, the usual quotidian shit we all take for granted. And when people are rehoused in Newcastle we have to make them feel welcome, and guess what? They do. Because this is a great place to live, and I love everything that's good about it, and I try to improve everything that's shit about it. And some fucking twat with an axe to grind about the human rights record of some country that I have personally helped their citizens of - and I'm going to guess you've done the square root of fuck all about - isn't going to change that. There you go. 'Hysterical' enough for you? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted April 26, 2020 Share Posted April 26, 2020 Beyond any connection with the football club, I have to say I find that a pretty disturbing precedent for the city like. Oh do f*** off. There's life outside the NUFC bubble you live in round here and believe it or not there's thousands of people in 'the city' who couldnt give a s*** either way. f***ing grow up man. I wonder why my personal view on it has touched such a nerve with you. Very strange You don't wonder that at all you sanctimonious tit. There's nothing strange about you being held to account when you stray beyond the subject of the ownership of NUFC to have a pop at the city itself. Would you care to expand on why it's a "disturbing precedent" or are you just flinging out word salad to feel a bit more smug than you already do? I do wonder considering I don't think what I said was inflammatory enough to warrant such a hysterical reaction, yeah. Not sure how it's sanctimonious or smug to see Newcastle fans online do things like attack Khashoggi's grieving fiance and worry about that level of defensive sentiment spreading if the Saudis improve the area, for example, and how that impacts on the city's reputation. I mean all I've said is that I find the mere idea of that disturbing and you've felt it necessary to attack that opinion, so... How the hell does that impact on "the cities reputation"? You've gone from some arsehole on Twitter giving a widow grief, which as anyone with a brain agrees is absolutely repugnant, to that's a "pretty disturbing precedent for the city like". So, ok, I'll bite.... In my professional capacity I have to help rehome people new to the country. Help them find homes, jobs, learn the language, the usual quotidian shit we all take for granted. And when people are rehoused in Newcastle we have to make them feel welcome, and guess what? They do. Because this is a great place to live, and I love everything that's good about it, and I try to improve everything that's shit about it. And some fucking twat with an axe to grind about the human rights record of some country that I have personally helped their citizens of - and I'm going to guess you've done the square root of fuck all about - isn't going to change that. There you go. 'Hysterical' enough for you? :clap: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infinitely Content Posted April 26, 2020 Share Posted April 26, 2020 I'm curious as to whether those willing and able to divorce themselves from any emotional attachment to the club in lieu of the takeover apply that to other areas of their life too? For instance art, if you love a musician and then discover they've done something or stood for something that doesn't align with your moral values, can you immediately divorce yourself from any attachment to that piece of art? I find it almost impossible to do so, I'm just wondering how with some it's literally 1's and 0's, a kind of robotic-ness with no murky or nuanced middle ground. Genuinely curious as to whether this takeover is an exceptional situation and that even if they wanted to still love the club, they simply couldn't, or are people just cutting emotional ties with immediate effect? (if that's even possible, I'm not so sure) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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