ponsaelius Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 If you cant watch football without fans in the stands then you probably dont like football. I've watched football in practically empty grounds, big and small. From the Northern League to the Korean third tier. The difference is that there is still some people there who are engaged, and being at the side of the pitch or in a ground is a totally different experience to watching on TV. Personally I find watching a Bundesliga derby, where there should be 80,000 people there, instead being completely empty and silent, just depressing. And it absolutely will change the intensity and context of a game. Perhaps to favour the technical teams - little surprise this was Dortmund's biggest win in about 50 years. The idea that I don't like football because I can't enjoy such an inhibited version of the real thing is nonsense. I could equally apply the same to you for being able to do so. But I didn't do that, it's each to their own. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Segun Oluwaniyi Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 If you cant watch football without fans in the stands then you probably dont like football. I've watched football in practically empty grounds, big and small. From the Northern League to the Korean third tier. The difference is that there is still some people there who are engaged, and being at the side of the pitch or in a ground is a totally different experience to watching on TV. Personally I find watching a Bundesliga derby, where there should be 80,000 people there, instead being completely empty and silent, just depressing. And it absolutely will change the intensity and context of a game. Perhaps to favour the technical teams - little surprise this was Dortmund's biggest win in about 50 years. The idea that I don't like football because I can't enjoy such an inhibited version of the real thing is nonsense. I could equally apply the same to you for being able to do so. But I didn't do that, it's each to their own. Agreed. I was never good enough at football to find out, but playing basketball in front of a big crowd is always completely different than an empty gym, even when everyone is a high level player. The size and complexion of the crowd is important aslo, loud and intimidating crowds deeply affect the adrenaline rates, nerves, and decision-making of even the best players. The return of Bundesliga was welcome, but the matches I saw (Schalke-Dortmund, Koln-Mainz and Bayern-Union Berlin) were mostly rubbish, tbh. It reminded me of watching a training match or a pickup/kickabout game between high quality players. Part of the problem was that 4 or the 6 sides I mentioned looked well off the pace (even Bayern were a bit labored), so maybe things will improve with time with more training and preparation. Also, it is a small thing, but the muted celebrations were odd as well. Very odd to see someone score and important goal and be met with scattered clapping and strange forearm taps from the other players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 Wirtz looks class for Leverkusen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 Class assist. Proper old school wing play Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Spaceman Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 Had a fiver on Havertz FGS boosted to 5/1. Diaby's assist was brilliant by the way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Spaceman Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 Sign Havertz. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ameritoon Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 Of course I turn this off for a meeting and there's 3 goals within minutes Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Segun Oluwaniyi Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 There are some horrendous defensive teams in this league Entertaining match anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Spaceman Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 Wirtz looks class for Leverkusen. Yeah he really does. Got some lethal levels of attacking fret. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 That Diaby for Leverkusen looks absolutely class Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Spaceman Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 Werder Bremen look about as good as Sunderland, and I'm not even joking. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 That no look assist by Bellarabi was lovely. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
junkhead Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 Swear last time I saw Kai Havertz play he was a short creative midfielder. When did he turn into a Lewandowski? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 Some top fixtures next weekend: The Berlin derby Gladbach v Leverkusen Wolfsburg v Dortmund Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 BVB v Bayern next Tuesday too Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 Must win for Dortmund. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ameritoon Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 Exactly the type of game they never win Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 They've taken some absolute pastings at Bayern in recent years, at least this is at home. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conjo Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 If you cant watch football without fans in the stands then you probably dont like football. I've watched football in practically empty grounds, big and small. From the Northern League to the Korean third tier. The difference is that there is still some people there who are engaged, and being at the side of the pitch or in a ground is a totally different experience to watching on TV. Personally I find watching a Bundesliga derby, where there should be 80,000 people there, instead being completely empty and silent, just depressing. And it absolutely will change the intensity and context of a game. Perhaps to favour the technical teams - little surprise this was Dortmund's biggest win in about 50 years. The idea that I don't like football because I can't enjoy such an inhibited version of the real thing is nonsense. I could equally apply the same to you for being able to do so. But I didn't do that, it's each to their own. Dortmund won 4-0 only two months ago, wtf are you on about? Try hoying this on in the background this weekend and see if it helps There's a third option you forgot to include by the way, which is that you can enjoy watching football both with and without crowd. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 I was obviously talking about biggest win the derby. It's their the most significant win since 1966. Not the sharpest tool in the box are you Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizero Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 As a television viewer, it doesn't matter if there's an audience at the stadium or not, it's all just still football, so I understand where Conjo is coming from. For the players, it'll matter, which in turn will have an effect on the quality the television viewer gets to experience, so I also understand where Sewelly is coming from. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ameritoon Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 As someone who's watched way too many CONCACAF u20/u23 qualifiers in mostly empty stadiums, the adjustment has been fine. It sucks, but I'll take any form of football at this point Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 Football with crowds > Football without crowds > No football Basically Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizero Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 You can essentially liken it to watching a movie on mute, I guess. Or without a proper sound design, just using the shitty raw set takes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cubaricho Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 I feel like I wouldn’t have a problem with it at all if I could go down to the bar and watch it. Rarely ever have audio there for matches anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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