Elliot Anderson (now playing for Nottingham Forest)

[Viana]

2 hours ago, lovejoy said:

Couldn’t agree more, someone said similar to me on Sunday at the match. There’s no comparison in any way.

 

 

 

I'll politely disagree with there being no similarities at all, for the reasons stated.

 

I think if you rewatch some of his games for us you see flickers of the player that he has become. He was also in a tricky position rotating between CM and LW. 

 

In much the same way, I think calling him a 'water carrier' is incredibly harsh. Man City aren't buying a water carrier. His range of passing and ability to keep it in tight spaces make him a very good midfielder. 

 

He's not complete. but I think you're going too far the other way calling him a 'water carrier'. 

 

 

Edited May 27 by Viana

[TheBrownBottle]

35 minutes ago, Viana said:

I'll politely disagree with there being no similarities at all, for the reasons stated.

 

I think if you rewatch some of his games for us you see flickers of the player that he has become. He was also in a tricky position rotating between CM and LW. 

 

In much the same way, I think calling him a 'water carrier' is incredibly harsh. Man City aren't buying a water carrier. His range of passing and ability to keep it in tight spaces make him a very good midfielder. 

 

He's not complete. but I think you're going too far the other way calling him a 'water carrier'. 

 

 

 

I think you meant to reply to me  

 

There are zero similarities between them other than the location of their birth.  They aren’t remotely similar in terms of talent, and again the circumstances of their leaving the club was completely different.  For a start, Gascoigne was a first team player

 

I stand uncorrected on the use of the term ‘water carrier’.  That’s what the position is - short passes to better players.  If he heads to a Man City his career is pretty likely to follow the route taken by Calvin Phillips, who was also an England regular at Leeds.  The fees being quoted are hilarious and 100% down to the English premium rather than talent

 

I’d take him back, but I wouldn’t for a fee above £50m.  That we’re talking double that is crackers

 

Miley is a far, far better talent than Anderson was - if the lad can stay injury-free for a bit, he’ll be knocking on the England door next season

 

 

Edited May 27 by TheBrownBottle

[Viana]

4 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

I think you meant to reply to me  

 

There are zero similarities between them other than the location of their birth.  They aren’t remotely similar in terms of talent, and again the circumstances of their leaving the club was completely different.  For a start, Gascoigne was a first team player

 

I stand uncorrected on the use of the term ‘water carrier’.  That’s what the position is - short passes to better players.  If he heads to a Man City his career is pretty likely to follow the route taken by Calvin Phillips, who was also an England regular at Leeds.  The fees being quoted are hilarious and 100% down to the English premium rather than talent

 

I’d take him back, but I wouldn’t for a fee above £50m.  That we’re talking double that is crackers

 

Miley is a far, far better talent than Anderson was - if the lad can stay injury-free for a bit, he’ll be knocking on the England door next season

 

 

 

Yeah, I think this is just one we won't agree on, but that's the beauty of football. In a year I may look really stupid (or stupider depending on your opinion ha). 

 

As for comparisons with Miley, I think they're very different players. Miley has this uncanny knack of just maintaining his level anywhere on the pitch. He plays the same at CM as he does at CB. That's the sign of a very good footballer. I would also say he has definitely shown his ability and potential at a younger age. I think Anderson took more time to show that first team level ability. 

 

As for the price, I don't think many players are worth £100m, but the market dictates the price. 

 

 

 

[TheBrownBottle]

12 minutes ago, Viana said:

Yeah, I think this is just one we won't agree on, but that's the beauty of football. In a year I may look really stupid (or stupider depending on your opinion ha). 

 

As for comparisons with Miley, I think they're very different players. Miley has this uncanny knack of just maintaining his level anywhere on the pitch. He plays the same at CM as he does at CB. That's the sign of a very good footballer. I would also say he has definitely shown his ability and potential at a younger age. I think Anderson took more time to show that first team level ability. 

 

As for the price, I don't think many players are worth £100m, but the market dictates the price. 

 

 

 

Agreed  - I’ve not seen a player come through like Miley, I held back on getting overexcited until I saw him being shuffled into other positions and he just looked like he’d played there forever - completely agree that this is the sign of a talented and intelligent footballer

[gjohnson]

4 hours ago, Viana said:

I'll politely disagree with there being no similarities at all, for the reasons stated.

 

I think if you rewatch some of his games for us you see flickers of the player that he has become. He was also in a tricky position rotating between CM and LW. 

 

In much the same way, I think calling him a 'water carrier' is incredibly harsh. Man City aren't buying a water carrier. His range of passing and ability to keep it in tight spaces make him a very good midfielder. 

 

He's not complete. but I think you're going too far the other way calling him a 'water carrier'. 

 

 

 

Think there's some re-writing of Elliot's time with us. Most of the time he looked bang average and there was certainly no indication he would become as good as he has. Obviously there was the occasional spark (but even Longstaff had those), but most of the time he looked off the pace and would probably end up as a championship player. Fair does though, another team took a full on chance and played him regularly for full games and he developed into a competent player.

 

I do think he gets a lot of gloss as he's local and a current International...but then given the randomness of Tuchel that doesnt really mean a lot

[UncleBingo]

8 hours ago, Viana said:

A brilliant footballer. 

 

Torn between sad we couldn't keep him, but also believing he needed to leave to become this player. It's easy to say play the youth but when Tonali, Joelinton, and Bruno are ahead of you it's always going to be a tough sell. 

 

The parallels with Gascoigne are there, if not identical. 

Agree with others, nothing like Gascoigne in terms of ability or circumstances.

[Ben]

28 minutes ago, UncleBingo said:

Agree with others, nothing like Gascoigne in terms of ability or circumstances.

 

Aye, Gascoigne is my second best player of all time behind Maradona, however much I think Anderson is a great player hes not in that league 

[KingArthur]

The thing is, because he has come through the ranks here, people want him back. Same level of player from let's say Spain, and I don't think people would be asking him back. I don't think there is much between him and Tonali, and both are playing a bit similar role (not a clear DM, but not offensive enough to be 8) 

Glad that he is doing well, but the price is high bc he is English. A bit similar situation than with Gordon.

[kingxlnc]

Anderson that season looked incredible in pre season and was unfortunate he injured his back which put him out for months - that would have been his opportunity to get established in the first team and show us exactly what he was about. Joelinton or Willock may have been sold sooner to keep hold of him. He did have some good games though eg the one against spurs where he played left wing 

[Holloway]

The only time Elliot has looked approaching anywhere near incredible was when he was on loan at Bristol rovers, and that was League 2. Once the step up in quality in defenders was confronted, the slalom runs and top draw finishes were nowhere to be seen. He's tidy and competent, but at this junction a tad overrated imo.

[Toon No9]

Just bring him home!

[AyeDubbleYoo]

1 hour ago, KingArthur said:

The thing is, because he has come through the ranks here, people want him back. Same level of player from let's say Spain, and I don't think people would be asking him back. I don't think there is much between him and Tonali, and both are playing a bit similar role (not a clear DM, but not offensive enough to be 8) 

Glad that he is doing well, but the price is high bc he is English. A bit similar situation than with Gordon.

Tend to agree, honestly don’t know what level Anderson will get to. I was never that attached to him because he was just a bit-part player and I was never sure if he would break through here. 
 

Fair play for what he’s done though. Interesting if Man City really do buy him, does he start a lot or become a luxury squad player. 

[gjohnson]

6 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

Tend to agree, honestly don’t know what level Anderson will get to. I was never that attached to him because he was just a bit-part player and I was never sure if he would break through here. 
 

Fair play for what he’s done though. Interesting if Man City really do buy him, does he start a lot or become a luxury squad player. 

If City buy him it'll be Kalvin Phillips all over again. Bought simply to stop anyone else getting him. They don't need him, probably don't really want him, and could probably get a much player if they did actually need a midfielder...while they can still spend

[bobbydazzla]

I always felt Anderson struggled under the weight of being a local lad. When he played he looked like he was putting too much pressure on himself rather than easing into the opportunity game by game the way Miley has done. 

 

I’m not convinced that the Anderson who has thrived at Forest would have made it to that level here. 

 

Sometimes leaving the nest is what turns an ugly duckling into a swan. 

 

 

Edited May 27 by bobbydazzla

[Tsunami]

Best thing that happened for Anderson was the Forest move. We’d be mad to try and bring him back; far too expensive and we have far more pressing needs. Let City or Man U pay the money, just a shame that we don’t appear to have a sell on clause.

[TRon]

1 hour ago, Holloway said:

The only time Elliot has looked approaching anywhere near incredible was when he was on loan at Bristol rovers, and that was League 2. Once the step up in quality in defenders was confronted, the slalom runs and top draw finishes were nowhere to be seen. He's tidy and competent, but at this junction a tad overrated imo.

 

 

I think he just didn't suit our way of playing under Howe where you get a lot less time and space because we were playing high intensity, quick turnover football. 

 

For Forest and England, he is operating deeper with time to move the ball forward in space. His technique under pressure doesn't get tested as much. He's looked good for them mind, might just need a different type of set up to thrive. 

[Holloway]

2 minutes ago, TRon said:

 

 

I think he just didn't suit our way of playing under Howe where you get a lot less time and space because we were playing high intensity, quick turnover football. 

 

For Forest and England, he is operating deeper with time to move the ball forward in space. His technique under pressure doesn't get tested as much. He's looked good for them mind, might just need a different type of set up to thrive. 

Fair comment, he did seem prone to being crowded out in his fairly limited minutes for us but iirc he looked like he was beginning to emerge from it a bit in his last appearances.

Very curious as to what his involvement will be at the World cup and how well he does. I hope he does well,obviously

[Paully]

Man City prioritising him according to Hopey 

[TK-421]

32 minutes ago, Paully said:

Man City prioritising him according to Hopey 

Thought Citeh had learned their lesson on buying overpriced English players, after Grealish & Kalvin Phillips?

 

 

Edited May 27 by TK-421

[Dokko]

I'm one of his biggest fans but citeh is too big a step up Imo (so where between kalvin phillips and Grealish) and he'll not make the same mark as he's doing at forest or England. He'll be back here in a couple of years with his inflated value burst. 

[LFEE]

No sell on clause.

[Paully]

3 minutes ago, LFEE said:

No sell on clause.

We were desperate to sell so that was never going to be the case 

[gbandit]

We fucked it so badly 

[Danh1]

2 hours ago, Tsunami said:

Best thing that happened for Anderson was the Forest move. We’d be mad to try and bring him back; far too expensive and we have far more pressing needs. Let City or Man U pay the money, just a shame that we don’t appear to have a sell on clause.

Definitely the best thing for him when you consider we wanted to swap him for Max Kilman. 

[Viana]

6 hours ago, UncleBingo said:

Agree with others, nothing like Gascoigne in terms of ability or circumstances.

 

5 hours ago, Ben said:

 

Aye, Gascoigne is my second best player of all time behind Maradona, however much I think Anderson is a great player hes not in that league 

As I said, give it 12 months and we'll see what his ceiling is. 

 

I can acknowledge the comparison feels a bit cack handed now, but that's why I said parallels and not exact, because I think we lost out on him because of bad timing. That said, I'm in danger of sounding like a broken record so I'll politely cease my case there. 

 

 

Edited May 27 by Viana