Lenny Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 Just now, mighty__mag said: Jesus, rewind when Jones came in and everyone was shagging him. Two games managing shit players and he has a draw away at Palace, and a loss to the potential league champions, and current UCL champions. Surely you can look at more than just the results to see why people feel this way. His team selection last week was questionable however even giving him the benefit of the doubt and assuming fitness was a factor, his selection today was cowardly by keeping it the same. We got a result last week but there were poor performances and they should have been addressed in today's lineup, especially with Willock and Almiron a week fitter. Those same poor performances were replicated today by the same players. Our initial gameplan to park the bus worked only so well and he inspired absolutely nothing from the players when we went a goal behind. People are rightfully frustrated and concerned that he may have more games in charge, IMO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest reefatoon Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 I really hope people realise that it wasn’t just Bruce who trained, coached and sorted the team. His back room team are just as much to blame for how clueless, lost and unfit this bunch of players are and that includes Jones. They are all as culpable as Bruce for how shit we are and all need booting out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toon25 Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 No plan whatsoever. Serving up the same shit as his fat mate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovejoy Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 8 minutes ago, reefatoon said: Not as much as the Jones love in mind. the reality lies somewhere in between. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 Just now, lovejoy said: the reality lies somewhere in between. as usual, on here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bintang Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 6 minutes ago, Thomson Mouse said: Exactly. The guy is clearly a good coach. What exactly, from his time coaching our players, makes you say this? I see nothing from our players that make me think they have a good coach. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 2 minutes ago, Bintang said: What exactly, from his time coaching our players, makes you say this? I see nothing from our players that make me think they have a good coach. He was set piece coach for England. All corners and free kicks were absolutely shite Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrRaspberryJam Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 Is Fernandez injured? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mighty__mag Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 Just now, Lenny said: Surely you can look at more than just the results to see why people feel this way. His team selection last week was questionable however even giving him the benefit of the doubt and assuming fitness was a factor, his selection today was cowardly by keeping it the same. We got a result last week but there were poor performances and they should have been addressed in today's lineup, especially with Willock and Almiron a week fitter. Those same poor performances were replicated today by the same players. Our initial gameplan to park the bus worked only so well and he inspired absolutely nothing from the players when we went a goal behind. People are rightfully frustrated and concerned that he may have more games in charge, IMO. No of course I get that, I'm not sure he will get more games, I'm pretty sure they will act soon. I'm as frustrated as anyone else, I'm just not blaming Jones for that, there were players ignoring instructions, bottling it. Theres too many Thicko's among the first 11, Manquilo,Kraft,Longstaff,Lascelles, they're all brain dead in decision making and reactions. Are go to plan when in attack, look for a way to get it back to Darlow when we're frightened by the press. I'll let Jones off, and I dont want him sacked, that Mackem slaphead can go though, bizarre he's still around offering input. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenny Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 There is very little to suggest there's any good coaching going on with these players. What constitutes good coaching because today's response to going a goal down has no positive reflection on our coaching. The players either went a goal down and didn't execute a response plan that was asked of them, or the players did exactly what was asked of them. Either of those don't suggest good coaching. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 1 minute ago, mighty__mag said: No of course I get that, I'm not sure he will get more games, I'm pretty sure they will act soon. I'm as frustrated as anyone else, I'm just not blaming Jones for that, there were players ignoring instructions, bottling it. Theres too many Thicko's among the first 11, Manquilo,Kraft,Longstaff,Lascelles, they're all brain dead in decision making and reactions. Are go to plan when in attack, look for a way to get it back to Darlow when we're frightened by the press. I'll let Jones off, and I dont want him sacked, that Mackem slaphead can go though, bizarre he's still around offering input. He’s picking those players though. Schar’s sitting on the bench with Krafth playing. Fernandez isn’t even in the squad and Willocks on the bench after improving us when he came on last week. The team selection was braindead. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWN Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 Needs told to fuck off ASAP Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfcastle Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 Just now, Lenny said: There is very little to suggest there's any good coaching going on with these players. What constitutes good coaching because today's response to going a goal down has no positive reflection on our coaching. The players either went a goal down and didn't execute a response plan that was asked of them, or the players did exactly what was asked of them. Either of those don't suggest good coaching. Absolutely. Its the most basic plan someone can think of every time. Men behind the ball and hope. Same against Palace. Its the sort of tactics people trying to blag by would come up with, scrape by tactics. Remember a game we lost to Chelsea under Roeder, he kept it tight with the intent of going for it in the last 25' which we did, could see the work that went into it. Was expecting more that from Jones than just carring on Bruce's echo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 Jones works for England because he’s a respected coach, John Carver works for Scotland for the same reason. Both seem abject to me; those jobs are more about who you know are which courses you went on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sh74 Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 Brucey mark fucking deux. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mighty__mag Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Jordan said: He’s picking those players though. Schar’s sitting on the bench with Krafth playing. Fernandez isn’t even in the squad and Willocks on the bench after improving us when he came on last week. The team selection was braindead. Yeah, I'm not sure what the deal is with Schar to be fair. He wasn't getting picked previously either. Its obvious with the Jones/Gayle thing he (Jones) might not be the easiest to get on with in some situations. Who knows if Schar is down the pecking order? Let's see what happens, big changes are going to happen everywhere across the club over the next 8/12 weeks. Edited October 30, 2021 by mighty__mag Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc4eva Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 I think any manager gets beaten by these that bad with this group of players. There was a clear plan 1st half to try and manage them and then go for one 2nd half. There's no miracles happening here, it's going to take time and whether Jones or Fonseca or any other manager that was happening. It's gonna take 4 or 5 games to try and get the team turned around and it may not be enough. We are woefully short due to lack of investment in that midfield and defence. 2 centre mids and new full backs improves this massively Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWN Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 Ran around for 5 days in training though . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
et tu brute Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 25 minutes ago, Thomson Mouse said: Exactly. The guy is clearly a good coach. I’ve seen nothing to remotely suggest he is a good coach. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfcastle Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 7 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said: Jones works for England because he’s a respected coach, John Carver works for Scotland for the same reason. Both seem abject to me; those jobs are more about who you know are which courses you went on. Terry Venables had Bryan Robson in as a coach. Think he's the only manager with a worse PL record than Bruce. So that stands for me. Its almost like a foil more than anything else. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomson Mouse Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 Laughable that last few posts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrRaspberryJam Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 Think people are going a bit OTT with Jones like. He's probably a decent coach but he's a million miles away from being the problem at NUFC. Whether he stays as a coach under the new manager or leaves won't be a deciding factor if we stay up or not IMO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomson Mouse Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 2 minutes ago, et tu brute said: I’ve seen nothing to remotely suggest he is a good coach. Expand on that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Linton Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 There was a hope rather than an expectation that Jones might get us a result in his few games in charge. He's nowhere near being a manager at this level. Unfair to judge him as one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaqen Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 It's a difficult situation to be honest. We don't have a win all season so obviously morale is low, there's been fighting amongst players recently and clearly some are unhappy about Bruce leaving. A lot of uncertainty around at the moment. There's no manager and most the players know they will be out the door soon enough as well. Jones is obviously out of his depth managing at premier League level but he was hired as a coach so we can't really use that stick to beat him with too much. Our squad is overrated as well. You look at that team and how many would realistically get in any other side in the league? The standard in the division feels higher this year, I just don't think this is a comfortable mid table side like some people think. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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