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[Disco]

I know what you're saying and can understand where you're coming from but being unable to do the same for the other side shows unbelievable levels of ignorance.

My point is that these people really do care, if they didn't they wouldn't be here now, they wouldn't be saying they hope it happens, they would have just fucked off.

If people have really let go then let go and let the rest of us deal with whatever the hell lies ahead for us, if not then don't stand there wishing ill because we all know deep down you'll hurt just as much next Sunday if we do go down.

 

Few if any has said they've let go though. Not caring what league we're in, wanting us to go down, packing in your ST etc etc is not the same as letting go.

[Guest palnese]

Hope we go down more than ever.

[54]

Hope Man U fuck it off and Wet Spam do us  The least Sports Direct FC deserves.

Fuck off then. That doesn't just apply to you, that applies to everyone who wants us down. Do you seriously think it will get him to sell?, it didn't the last time, in fact it just tightened his grip on us, the same will happen again. I'm not supporting Ashley here, what the owners and the majority of the players deserve is relegation, but the fans don't.

If this isn't your club and it's Sports Direct FC then fuck off, honestly, just fuck off talking about us, fuck off coming on message boards saying you want us to go down.

If your like me and you support NUFC and want us to stay up because you know going down won't help, because one day you hope Ashley sells up or dies in order order for us to be released from his control, because you hope one day it just goes right and we win something. If thats you then you can't wish us to go down.

 

People have a choice.

 

1. Wish we go down in some sort of faint hope that it teaches Ashley a lesson or serves him right.

 

2. Wish we stay up in the faint hope that something will happen to get us back to what we were in the future, because the fans don't deserve to see the club rot further.

 

If you chose option 1 then fuck off now, and never come back, when NUFC do come back you don't.

 

If you chose option 2 then no matter what happens on Sunday, if we fall or if we survive then you fight to get our club back, we stand together, in the Championship or in the Premier league, we target SD during the summer months, in the new season we ramp up our protests, we fight to get our club back, but we never hope that we lose.

 

I'm sick of it man, on here for the last month or so all I've heard is how the club deserves to relegation, how people hope it happens, honestly if you hope that the club you support gets relegated then you seriously need your head looking at. Relegation won't help us in the long run, we all want Ashley out but relegation won't make that happen, the opposite in fact.

 

People say this isn't their club anymore, then if thats the case why do you keep talking about us?

 

I want us to stay up for me, because I know the club will rot faster if it goes down and then even a change of ownership will bring us back. You can't support a club and wish ill on it, this isn't a case of us going down for the greater good, there is no positive, there is no new ownership, there is no new squad of hungry players, there is no youth squad to save us. Going down there will be nothing, we will fall like a stone. I'm not going to wish ill on us because it's not going to help us, it's not going to lead to a happy ending.

Okay so what the alternative? There has been 0 sign of Ashley selling while we are in the Premier League, none, zip, he is just going to keep chuging along collecting the stupid amounts of money that the premier League give clubs now. Meanwhile the fans will once again become apathetic when a few meaningless signings and another lap dog of a manager is appointed in the summer. Then this time next season we will be in the exact same position, not challenging at the top or in the cups, only aiming for mid-table, at this current time there is zero point to us being in this league.

 

Over the past 2-3 years there has been such a disconnect between the club and the fans, that it's got to the point that tbh I don't really care whether we stay up or not next week, i'm not going as far as saying I want us to go down (But there is morbid curiosity), but I certainty don't blame anyone who does. As atleast in the Championship there is the potential to see change, and there would actually be a goal for the club to strive and succeed for, as we would be aiming to succeed, atleast in the Championship fans would have something to cheer for, as we'd aim to get out the division, I would rather be cheering for the club in the Championship then this feeling I have now.

 

And if you think that this utterly rotten club doesn't deserve to be relegated then it's you that needs to be checked in the head tbh. A club that treats the league with contempt, doing the very bare minimum, spending little, just collecting money and being an advertising vessel for a company the treats there staff like slaves, a club that's treating the fans like they are just scum, that can just be lied to time and time again. A club whose player only use it jump to other clubs, and come January put their flip flops and coast to the end of the season for 3 years in a row. From top to bottom that club deserves to be relegated. The only people who don't deserve relegation are the fans.

 

It's also people like you, that has got this club into this position, not excepting the hard truths, and all too happy to just sit there and accept the shit that is served, and then berate fellow fans for differing opinions, instead of getting off your arse and doing something about this shitty situation we are currently in.

[mrmojorisin75]

Hope Man U fuck it off and Wet Spam do us  The least Sports Direct FC deserves.

Fuck off then. That doesn't just apply to you, that applies to everyone who wants us down. Do you seriously think it will get him to sell?, it didn't the last time, in fact it just tightened his grip on us, the same will happen again. I'm not supporting Ashley here, what the owners and the majority of the players deserve is relegation, but the fans don't.

If this isn't your club and it's Sports Direct FC then fuck off, honestly, just fuck off talking about us, fuck off coming on message boards saying you want us to go down.

If your like me and you support NUFC and want us to stay up because you know going down won't help, because one day you hope Ashley sells up or dies in order order for us to be released from his control, because you hope one day it just goes right and we win something. If thats you then you can't wish us to go down.

 

People have a choice.

 

1. Wish we go down in some sort of faint hope that it teaches Ashley a lesson or serves him right.

 

2. Wish we stay up in the faint hope that something will happen to get us back to what we were in the future, because the fans don't deserve to see the club rot further.

 

If you chose option 1 then fuck off now, and never come back, when NUFC do come back you don't.

 

If you chose option 2 then no matter what happens on Sunday, if we fall or if we survive then you fight to get our club back, we stand together, in the Championship or in the Premier league, we target SD during the summer months, in the new season we ramp up our protests, we fight to get our club back, but we never hope that we lose.

 

I'm sick of it man, on here for the last month or so all I've heard is how the club deserves to relegation, how people hope it happens, honestly if you hope that the club you support gets relegated then you seriously need your head looking at. Relegation won't help us in the long run, we all want Ashley out but relegation won't make that happen, the opposite in fact.

 

People say this isn't their club anymore, then if thats the case why do you keep talking about us?

 

I want us to stay up for me, because I know the club will rot faster if it goes down and then even a change of ownership will bring us back. You can't support a club and wish ill on it, this isn't a case of us going down for the greater good, there is no positive, there is no new ownership, there is no new squad of hungry players, there is no youth squad to save us. Going down there will be nothing, we will fall like a stone. I'm not going to wish ill on us because it's not going to help us, it's not going to lead to a happy ending.

Okay so what the alternative? There has been 0 sign of Ashley selling while we are in the Premier League, none, zip, he is just going to keep chuging along collecting the stupid amounts of money that the premier League give clubs now. Meanwhile the fans will once again become apathetic when a few meaningless signings and another lap dog of a manager is appointed in the summer. Then this time next season we will be in the exact same position, not challenging at the top or in the cups, only aiming for mid-table, at this current time there is zero point to us being in this league.

 

Over the past 2-3 years there has been such a disconnect between the club and the fans, that it's got to the point that tbh I don't really care whether we stay up or not next week, i'm not going as far as saying I want us to go down (But there is morbid curiosity), but I certainty don't blame anyone who does. As atleast in the Championship there is the potential to see change, and there would actually be a goal for the club to strive and succeed for, as we would be aiming to succeed, atleast in the Championship fans would have something to cheer for, as we'd aim to get out the division, I would rather be cheering for the club in the Championship then this feeling I have now.

 

And if you think that this utterly rotten club doesn't deserve to be relegated then it's you that needs to be checked in the head tbh. A club that treats the league with contempt, doing the very bare minimum, spending little, just collecting money and being an advertising vessel for a company the treats there staff like slaves, a club that's treating the fans like they are just scum, that can just be lied to time and time again. A club whose player only use it jump to other clubs, and come January put their flip flops and coast to the end of the season for 3 years in a row. From top to bottom that club deserves to be relegated. The only people who don't deserve relegation are the fans.

 

It's also people like you, that has got this club into this position, not excepting the hard truths, and all too happy to just sit there and accept the shit that is served, and then berate fellow fans for differing opinions, instead of getting off your arse and doing something about this shitty situation we are currently in.

 

well said 54

[Wullie]

Hope Man U fuck it off and Wet Spam do us  The least Sports Direct FC deserves.

Fuck off then. That doesn't just apply to you, that applies to everyone who wants us down. Do you seriously think it will get him to sell?, it didn't the last time, in fact it just tightened his grip on us, the same will happen again. I'm not supporting Ashley here, what the owners and the majority of the players deserve is relegation, but the fans don't.

If this isn't your club and it's Sports Direct FC then fuck off, honestly, just fuck off talking about us, fuck off coming on message boards saying you want us to go down.

If your like me and you support NUFC and want us to stay up because you know going down won't help, because one day you hope Ashley sells up or dies in order order for us to be released from his control, because you hope one day it just goes right and we win something. If thats you then you can't wish us to go down.

 

People have a choice.

 

1. Wish we go down in some sort of faint hope that it teaches Ashley a lesson or serves him right.

 

2. Wish we stay up in the faint hope that something will happen to get us back to what we were in the future, because the fans don't deserve to see the club rot further.

 

If you chose option 1 then fuck off now, and never come back, when NUFC do come back you don't.

 

If you chose option 2 then no matter what happens on Sunday, if we fall or if we survive then you fight to get our club back, we stand together, in the Championship or in the Premier league, we target SD during the summer months, in the new season we ramp up our protests, we fight to get our club back, but we never hope that we lose.

 

I'm sick of it man, on here for the last month or so all I've heard is how the club deserves to relegation, how people hope it happens, honestly if you hope that the club you support gets relegated then you seriously need your head looking at. Relegation won't help us in the long run, we all want Ashley out but relegation won't make that happen, the opposite in fact.

 

People say this isn't their club anymore, then if thats the case why do you keep talking about us?

 

I want us to stay up for me, because I know the club will rot faster if it goes down and then even a change of ownership will bring us back. You can't support a club and wish ill on it, this isn't a case of us going down for the greater good, there is no positive, there is no new ownership, there is no new squad of hungry players, there is no youth squad to save us. Going down there will be nothing, we will fall like a stone. I'm not going to wish ill on us because it's not going to help us, it's not going to lead to a happy ending.

Okay so what the alternative? There has been 0 sign of Ashley selling while we are in the Premier League, none, zip, he is just going to keep chuging along collecting the stupid amounts of money that the premier League give clubs now. Meanwhile the fans will once again become apathetic when a few meaningless signings and another lap dog of a manager is appointed in the summer. Then this time next season we will be in the exact same position, not challenging at the top or in the cups, only aiming for mid-table, at this current time there is zero point to us being in this league.

 

Over the past 2-3 years there has been such a disconnect between the club and the fans, that it's got to the point that tbh I don't really care whether we stay up or not next week, i'm not going as far as saying I want us to go down (But there is morbid curiosity), but I certainty don't blame anyone who does. As atleast in the Championship there is the potential to see change, and there would actually be a goal for the club to strive and succeed for, as we would be aiming to succeed, atleast in the Championship fans would have something to cheer for, as we'd aim to get out the division, I would rather be cheering for the club in the Championship then this feeling I have now.

 

And if you think that this utterly rotten club doesn't deserve to be relegated then it's you that needs to be checked in the head tbh. A club that treats the league with contempt, doing the very bare minimum, spending little, just collecting money and being an advertising vessel for a company the treats there staff like slaves, a club that's treating the fans like they are just scum, that can just be lied to time and time again. A club whose player only use it jump to other clubs, and come January put their flip flops and coast to the end of the season for 3 years in a row. From top to bottom that club deserves to be relegated. The only people who don't deserve relegation are the fans.

 

It's also people like you, that has got this club into this position, not excepting the hard truths, and all too happy to just sit there and accept the shit that is served, and then berate fellow fans for differing opinions, instead of getting off your arse and doing something about this shitty situation we are currently in.

 

[Guest antz1uk]

Hope Man U f*** it off and Wet Spam do us  The least Sports Direct FC deserves.

f*** off then. That doesn't just apply to you, that applies to everyone who wants us down. Do you seriously think it will get him to sell?, it didn't the last time, in fact it just tightened his grip on us, the same will happen again. I'm not supporting Ashley here, what the owners and the majority of the players deserve is relegation, but the fans don't.

If this isn't your club and it's Sports Direct FC then f*** off, honestly, just f*** off talking about us, f*** off coming on message boards saying you want us to go down.

If your like me and you support NUFC and want us to stay up because you know going down won't help, because one day you hope Ashley sells up or dies in order order for us to be released from his control, because you hope one day it just goes right and we win something. If thats you then you can't wish us to go down.

 

People have a choice.

 

1. Wish we go down in some sort of faint hope that it teaches Ashley a lesson or serves him right.

 

2. Wish we stay up in the faint hope that something will happen to get us back to what we were in the future, because the fans don't deserve to see the club rot further.

 

If you chose option 1 then f*** off now, and never come back, when NUFC do come back you don't.

 

If you chose option 2 then no matter what happens on Sunday, if we fall or if we survive then you fight to get our club back, we stand together, in the Championship or in the Premier league, we target SD during the summer months, in the new season we ramp up our protests, we fight to get our club back, but we never hope that we lose.

 

absolute bullshit post that, everyone can have differing opinions, and if you can't see the bigger picture and all you want is premier league survival it's you that can't see past your nose, this club will still be here no matter what, fans, the club, the ground, the lot, even if we went bust, ashley won't still be here then that's a certainty. i'd take conference football if that's what it took.

 

what an absolute travesty of a quote 'Wish we go down in some sort of faint hope that it teaches Ashley a lesson or serves him right'

[Stifler]

Hope Man U fuck it off and Wet Spam do us  The least Sports Direct FC deserves.

Fuck off then. That doesn't just apply to you, that applies to everyone who wants us down. Do you seriously think it will get him to sell?, it didn't the last time, in fact it just tightened his grip on us, the same will happen again. I'm not supporting Ashley here, what the owners and the majority of the players deserve is relegation, but the fans don't.

If this isn't your club and it's Sports Direct FC then fuck off, honestly, just fuck off talking about us, fuck off coming on message boards saying you want us to go down.

If your like me and you support NUFC and want us to stay up because you know going down won't help, because one day you hope Ashley sells up or dies in order order for us to be released from his control, because you hope one day it just goes right and we win something. If thats you then you can't wish us to go down.

 

People have a choice.

 

1. Wish we go down in some sort of faint hope that it teaches Ashley a lesson or serves him right.

 

2. Wish we stay up in the faint hope that something will happen to get us back to what we were in the future, because the fans don't deserve to see the club rot further.

 

If you chose option 1 then fuck off now, and never come back, when NUFC do come back you don't.

 

If you chose option 2 then no matter what happens on Sunday, if we fall or if we survive then you fight to get our club back, we stand together, in the Championship or in the Premier league, we target SD during the summer months, in the new season we ramp up our protests, we fight to get our club back, but we never hope that we lose.

 

I'm sick of it man, on here for the last month or so all I've heard is how the club deserves to relegation, how people hope it happens, honestly if you hope that the club you support gets relegated then you seriously need your head looking at. Relegation won't help us in the long run, we all want Ashley out but relegation won't make that happen, the opposite in fact.

 

People say this isn't their club anymore, then if thats the case why do you keep talking about us?

 

I want us to stay up for me, because I know the club will rot faster if it goes down and then even a change of ownership will bring us back. You can't support a club and wish ill on it, this isn't a case of us going down for the greater good, there is no positive, there is no new ownership, there is no new squad of hungry players, there is no youth squad to save us. Going down there will be nothing, we will fall like a stone. I'm not going to wish ill on us because it's not going to help us, it's not going to lead to a happy ending.

Okay so what the alternative? There has been 0 sign of Ashley selling while we are in the Premier League, none, zip, he is just going to keep chuging along collecting the stupid amounts of money that the premier League give clubs now. Meanwhile the fans will once again become apathetic when a few meaningless signings and another lap dog of a manager is appointed in the summer. Then this time next season we will be in the exact same position, not challenging at the top or in the cups, only aiming for mid-table, at this current time there is zero point to us being in this league.

 

Over the past 2-3 years there has been such a disconnect between the club and the fans, that it's got to the point that tbh I don't really care whether we stay up or not next week, i'm not going as far as saying I want us to go down (But there is morbid curiosity), but I certainty don't blame anyone who does. As atleast in the Championship there is the potential to see change, and there would actually be a goal for the club to strive and succeed for, as we would be aiming to succeed, atleast in the Championship fans would have something to cheer for, as we'd aim to get out the division, I would rather be cheering for the club in the Championship then this feeling I have now.

 

And if you think that this utterly rotten club doesn't deserve to be relegated then it's you that needs to be checked in the head tbh. A club that treats the league with contempt, doing the very bare minimum, spending little, just collecting money and being an advertising vessel for a company the treats there staff like slaves, a club that's treating the fans like they are just scum, that can just be lied to time and time again. A club whose player only use it jump to other clubs, and come January put their flip flops and coast to the end of the season for 3 years in a row. From top to bottom that club deserves to be relegated. The only people who don't deserve relegation are the fans.

 

It's also people like you, that has got this club into this position, not excepting the hard truths, and all too happy to just sit there and accept the shit that is served, and then berate fellow fans for differing opinions, instead of getting off your arse and doing something about this shitty situation we are currently in.

Me who's wrong with the club?

Except the truths?, I accepted the truths a long time ago, I don't go to SJP and sit happy clapping and taking in all the propaganda. I was on the phone to Talk sport a number of times saying why Pardew should go, at a time when the media were lapping up Pardew's shit because he'd just been on one of his runs. I don't defend Ashley, I even wrote on here of ways to take the protest to him, I even emailed those at Ashleyout ideas of how to take the protests to SD whilst staying on the right side of the law.

Lap it up and facilitate it, I do anything but.

I'm berating those who want to cut our noses off to spite our faces in some sort of hope that it means it's the end of Ashley. There is no evidence that this will be the case, and if people listen I have repeatedly said that we need to stay up to look more prospective to buyers, take the protests and the boycotts to him next season. You think protests will have a damaging effect on him when the only publicity it's getting is 30 seconds on channel 5 next season, or when it's on MOTD, or Sky?

I've never said sit in there, hope we survive and do the same next season, I'm saying hope we survive this season and go at him full force next season, and even at his stores in the summer.

 

How come it's ok for the likes of you to have a go at me because I don't want us to go down, but if I have a go at people who have an opinion of wanting to go down then all of  a sudden I'm the one to blame and I'm the one having ago at my fellow fans? 

[jdckelly]

not sure if I actually want us to go down totally but part of me does just because this club deserves it on a purely sporting level, it feels wrong to not bother even pretending to compete for half a season and somehow stay up while Burnley who tried their best to compete but failed go down.

[Darth Crooks]

You just told people who oppose your view to fuck off and not come back and you're at a loss as to why you're getting grief?

[Figures 1-0 Football]

To be honest, I also do not understand the "i hope we get relegated" stance.

If we battled our way to an FA Cup final with 1-0 wins against League 2 teams, would people want us to lose the final because it would be embarrassing to win?

 

Relegation will not get rid of Ashley, 50,000 empty seats will not get rid of Ashley... someone to walk in with an acceptable offer is the only way to get rid of Ashley.

I completely agree that next week should be 90+ minutes of creating an atmosphere followed by a sit-in protest at our season/the way the club is being ran.

 

I hate the way our club is at the moment, but I certainly will celebrate on Sunday if we survive - I wont clap off the players and blow kisses at them, but I'll be delighted to have came through such an awful period.

[midds]

To be honest, I also do not understand the "i hope we get relegated" stance.

If we battled our way to an FA Cup final with 1-0 wins against League 2 teams, would people want us to lose the final because it would be embarrassing to win?

 

Relegation will not get rid of Ashley, 50,000 empty seats will not get rid of Ashley... someone to walk in with an acceptable offer is the only way to get rid of Ashley.

I completely agree that next week should be 90+ minutes of creating an atmosphere followed by a sit-in protest at our season/the way the club is being ran.

 

I hate the way our club is at the moment, but I certainly will celebrate on Sunday if we survive - I wont clap off the players and blow kisses at them, but I'll be delighted to have came through such an awful period.

 

Yey!

 

We survived another season so we get a chance to survive another season again next year. Hurray!! Woop woop.

 

[Teasy]

Hope Man U fuck it off and Wet Spam do us  The least Sports Direct FC deserves.

Fuck off then. That doesn't just apply to you, that applies to everyone who wants us down. Do you seriously think it will get him to sell?, it didn't the last time, in fact it just tightened his grip on us, the same will happen again. I'm not supporting Ashley here, what the owners and the majority of the players deserve is relegation, but the fans don't.

If this isn't your club and it's Sports Direct FC then fuck off, honestly, just fuck off talking about us, fuck off coming on message boards saying you want us to go down.

If your like me and you support NUFC and want us to stay up because you know going down won't help, because one day you hope Ashley sells up or dies in order order for us to be released from his control, because you hope one day it just goes right and we win something. If thats you then you can't wish us to go down.

 

People have a choice.

 

1. Wish we go down in some sort of faint hope that it teaches Ashley a lesson or serves him right.

 

2. Wish we stay up in the faint hope that something will happen to get us back to what we were in the future, because the fans don't deserve to see the club rot further.

 

If you chose option 1 then fuck off now, and never come back, when NUFC do come back you don't.

 

If you chose option 2 then no matter what happens on Sunday, if we fall or if we survive then you fight to get our club back, we stand together, in the Championship or in the Premier league, we target SD during the summer months, in the new season we ramp up our protests, we fight to get our club back, but we never hope that we lose.

 

http://otbva.com/forum/images/smilies2/th_awalkerhuh.png

 

 

He's 100% right though.  Going down won't help, wanting us relegated is either stupidity or childish self indulgence.

 

We all hate whats going on, but what exactly is the point of wanting to see us burn?  It won't achieve a thing.

[Figures 1-0 Football]

To be honest, I also do not understand the "i hope we get relegated" stance.

If we battled our way to an FA Cup final with 1-0 wins against League 2 teams, would people want us to lose the final because it would be embarrassing to win?

 

Relegation will not get rid of Ashley, 50,000 empty seats will not get rid of Ashley... someone to walk in with an acceptable offer is the only way to get rid of Ashley.

I completely agree that next week should be 90+ minutes of creating an atmosphere followed by a sit-in protest at our season/the way the club is being ran.

 

I hate the way our club is at the moment, but I certainly will celebrate on Sunday if we survive - I wont clap off the players and blow kisses at them, but I'll be delighted to have came through such an awful period.

 

Yey!

 

We survived another season so we get a chance to survive another season again next year. Hurray!! Woop woop.

 

Against the other option of "yay, we've been relegation so we get the chance to possibly come back up and then have the chance to survive again"?

What do people want? Us to be a Championship club forever?

 

With the squad we have, we're not going to be fighting for anything near the top 8 spots.

I think people need to get realistic and realise this - it is going to take major improvements for this to happen.

People have short memories, we were a Championship club not long ago - our club has been murdered under Ashley for years. We're not going to be magically fixed and healed the day he leaves.

 

On this day, we are fighting relegation - forgive me if I am happy that we do.

[Away Toon]

To be honest, I also do not understand the "i hope we get relegated" stance.

If we battled our way to an FA Cup final with 1-0 wins against League 2 teams, would people want us to lose the final because it would be embarrassing to win?

 

Relegation will not get rid of Ashley, 50,000 empty seats will not get rid of Ashley... someone to walk in with an acceptable offer is the only way to get rid of Ashley.

I completely agree that next week should be 90+ minutes of creating an atmosphere followed by a sit-in protest at our season/the way the club is being ran.

 

I hate the way our club is at the moment, but I certainly will celebrate on Sunday if we survive - I wont clap off the players and blow kisses at them, but I'll be delighted to have came through such an awful period.

50,000 empty seats would certainly get rid of Ashley, Sky and their lap dog media would make sure of that.

[Ketsbaia]

The only advantage to the Championship is that we won't lose any derbies. All other problems will only worsen if we drop a division.

[Teasy]

To be honest, I also do not understand the "i hope we get relegated" stance.

If we battled our way to an FA Cup final with 1-0 wins against League 2 teams, would people want us to lose the final because it would be embarrassing to win?

 

Relegation will not get rid of Ashley, 50,000 empty seats will not get rid of Ashley... someone to walk in with an acceptable offer is the only way to get rid of Ashley.

I completely agree that next week should be 90+ minutes of creating an atmosphere followed by a sit-in protest at our season/the way the club is being ran.

 

I hate the way our club is at the moment, but I certainly will celebrate on Sunday if we survive - I wont clap off the players and blow kisses at them, but I'll be delighted to have came through such an awful period.

 

Yey!

 

We survived another season so we get a chance to survive another season again next year. Hurray!! Woop woop.

 

Against the other option of "yay, we've been relegation so we get the chance to possibly come back up and then have the chance to survive again"?

What do people want? Us to be a Championship club forever?

 

With the squad we have, we're not going to be fighting for anything near the top 8 spots.

I think people need to get realistic and realise this - it is going to take major improvements for this to happen.

People have short memories, we were a Championship club not long ago - our club has been murdered under Ashley for years. We're not going to be magically fixed and healed the day he leaves.

 

On this day, we are fighting relegation - forgive me if I am happy that we do.

 

I think we would be magically healed if he leaves as long as whoever takes over isn't an evil piece of shit like Ashley.  But relegation won't remove this cunt from the club.

[Teasy]

To be honest, I also do not understand the "i hope we get relegated" stance.

If we battled our way to an FA Cup final with 1-0 wins against League 2 teams, would people want us to lose the final because it would be embarrassing to win?

 

Relegation will not get rid of Ashley, 50,000 empty seats will not get rid of Ashley... someone to walk in with an acceptable offer is the only way to get rid of Ashley.

I completely agree that next week should be 90+ minutes of creating an atmosphere followed by a sit-in protest at our season/the way the club is being ran.

 

I hate the way our club is at the moment, but I certainly will celebrate on Sunday if we survive - I wont clap off the players and blow kisses at them, but I'll be delighted to have came through such an awful period.

50,000 empty seats would certainly get rid of Ashley, Sky and their lap dog media would make sure of that.

 

We'd get a larger attendance in the Championship though, don't underestimate the draw of winning games.

[midds]

To be honest, I also do not understand the "i hope we get relegated" stance.

If we battled our way to an FA Cup final with 1-0 wins against League 2 teams, would people want us to lose the final because it would be embarrassing to win?

 

Relegation will not get rid of Ashley, 50,000 empty seats will not get rid of Ashley... someone to walk in with an acceptable offer is the only way to get rid of Ashley.

I completely agree that next week should be 90+ minutes of creating an atmosphere followed by a sit-in protest at our season/the way the club is being ran.

 

I hate the way our club is at the moment, but I certainly will celebrate on Sunday if we survive - I wont clap off the players and blow kisses at them, but I'll be delighted to have came through such an awful period.

 

Yey!

 

We survived another season so we get a chance to survive another season again next year. Hurray!! Woop woop.

 

Against the other option of "yay, we've been relegation so we get the chance to possibly come back up and then have the chance to survive again"?

What do people want? Us to be a Championship club forever?

 

With the squad we have, we're not going to be fighting for anything near the top 8 spots.

I think people need to get realistic and realise this - it is going to take major improvements for this to happen.

People have short memories, we were a Championship club not long ago - our club has been murdered under Ashley for years. We're not going to be magically fixed and healed the day he leaves.

 

On this day, we are fighting relegation - forgive me if I am happy that we do.

 

Stay up and absolutely nothing changes - guaranteed. Manager, owner, coaches, atmosphere, players, ambition - nothing will change. More of the same in perpetuity.

 

Go down and something positive could unfold. Wouldn't mind rolling the dice and finding out tbh. Taking a few steps back to clean the dogshit off our shoes wouldn't be the worst thing in the world imo. The club will be just fine in the long term, just needs a few uncomfortable years to get rid of it's parasite first.

[Figures 1-0 Football]

To be honest, I also do not understand the "i hope we get relegated" stance.

If we battled our way to an FA Cup final with 1-0 wins against League 2 teams, would people want us to lose the final because it would be embarrassing to win?

 

Relegation will not get rid of Ashley, 50,000 empty seats will not get rid of Ashley... someone to walk in with an acceptable offer is the only way to get rid of Ashley.

I completely agree that next week should be 90+ minutes of creating an atmosphere followed by a sit-in protest at our season/the way the club is being ran.

 

I hate the way our club is at the moment, but I certainly will celebrate on Sunday if we survive - I wont clap off the players and blow kisses at them, but I'll be delighted to have came through such an awful period.

50,000 empty seats would certainly get rid of Ashley, Sky and their lap dog media would make sure of that.

 

We'd get a larger attendance in the Championship though, don't underestimate the draw of winning games.

 

As has been said, don't discount the tourists/one time visitors/corporate ticket holders/away fans that attend SJP each week.

The lowest our attendance would be in either the Prem or Champ is about 20k with a major boycott.

 

That'd still be enough to keep the club afloat and funded with a little extra Ashley loan.

[Figures 1-0 Football]

To be honest, I also do not understand the "i hope we get relegated" stance.

If we battled our way to an FA Cup final with 1-0 wins against League 2 teams, would people want us to lose the final because it would be embarrassing to win?

 

Relegation will not get rid of Ashley, 50,000 empty seats will not get rid of Ashley... someone to walk in with an acceptable offer is the only way to get rid of Ashley.

I completely agree that next week should be 90+ minutes of creating an atmosphere followed by a sit-in protest at our season/the way the club is being ran.

 

I hate the way our club is at the moment, but I certainly will celebrate on Sunday if we survive - I wont clap off the players and blow kisses at them, but I'll be delighted to have came through such an awful period.

 

Yey!

 

We survived another season so we get a chance to survive another season again next year. Hurray!! Woop woop.

 

Against the other option of "yay, we've been relegation so we get the chance to possibly come back up and then have the chance to survive again"?

What do people want? Us to be a Championship club forever?

 

With the squad we have, we're not going to be fighting for anything near the top 8 spots.

I think people need to get realistic and realise this - it is going to take major improvements for this to happen.

People have short memories, we were a Championship club not long ago - our club has been murdered under Ashley for years. We're not going to be magically fixed and healed the day he leaves.

 

On this day, we are fighting relegation - forgive me if I am happy that we do.

 

Stay up and absolutely nothing changes - guaranteed. Manager, owner, coaches, atmosphere, players, ambition - nothing will change. More of the same in perpetuity.

 

Go down and something positive could unfold. Wouldn't mind rolling the dice and finding out tbh. Taking a few steps back to clean the dogshit off our shoes wouldn't be the worst thing in the world imo. The club will be just fine in the long term, just needs a few uncomfortable years to get rid of it's parasite first.

 

I agree, nothing will change if we stay up. That's from the top, everything you listed is down to the tosser in charge of our club.

 

But going down, is more likely to have a negative effect than positive.

When we went down last time, did anything change? Did anything change when we came back up? No, because the same fat tosser is in charge.

 

Would Ashley sell if we went down? Definitely not, he'd make a bigger loss and he's a business man that only cares about his pocket. He wants £x amount for us and will not sell until he gets offered it. There is no way anybody would pay that for a Championship team.

 

Even if we go down, we protest, we burn down Ashley's home - we can make him want to sell, but we cant make somebody buy us.

We've in effect been for sale for the past 3/4/5 years, if Ashley was given an acceptable offer for us at any point he'd have snatched their hand off. But he hasn't.

 

The only possible positive I can see from going down, is the cheaper games and fact we might win a few.

 

Completely understand where you are coming from, but I guess if we all had the same opinion it'd be boring.

[Unbelievable]

To be honest, I also do not understand the "i hope we get relegated" stance.

If we battled our way to an FA Cup final with 1-0 wins against League 2 teams, would people want us to lose the final because it would be embarrassing to win?

 

Relegation will not get rid of Ashley, 50,000 empty seats will not get rid of Ashley... someone to walk in with an acceptable offer is the only way to get rid of Ashley.

I completely agree that next week should be 90+ minutes of creating an atmosphere followed by a sit-in protest at our season/the way the club is being ran.

 

I hate the way our club is at the moment, but I certainly will celebrate on Sunday if we survive - I wont clap off the players and blow kisses at them, but I'll be delighted to have came through such an awful period.

 

Yey!

 

We survived another season so we get a chance to survive another season again next year. Hurray!! Woop woop.

 

Against the other option of "yay, we've been relegation so we get the chance to possibly come back up and then have the chance to survive again"?

What do people want? Us to be a Championship club forever?

 

With the squad we have, we're not going to be fighting for anything near the top 8 spots.

I think people need to get realistic and realise this - it is going to take major improvements for this to happen.

People have short memories, we were a Championship club not long ago - our club has been murdered under Ashley for years. We're not going to be magically fixed and healed the day he leaves.

 

On this day, we are fighting relegation - forgive me if I am happy that we do.

 

Stay up and absolutely nothing changes - guaranteed. Manager, owner, coaches, atmosphere, players, ambition - nothing will change. More of the same in perpetuity.

 

Go down and something positive could unfold. Wouldn't mind rolling the dice and finding out tbh. Taking a few steps back to clean the dogshit off our shoes wouldn't be the worst thing in the world imo. The club will be just fine in the long term, just needs a few uncomfortable years to get rid of it's parasite first.

 

I agree, nothing will change if we stay up. That's from the top, everything you listed is down to the tosser in charge of our club.

 

But going down, is more likely to have a negative effect than positive.

When we went down last time, did anything change? Did anything change when we came back up? No, because the same fat tosser is in charge.

 

Would Ashley sell if we went down? Definitely not, he'd make a bigger loss and he's a business man that only cares about his pocket. He wants £x amount for us and will not sell until he gets offered it. There is no way anybody would pay that for a Championship team.

 

Even if we go down, we protest, we burn down Ashley's home - we can make him want to sell, but we cant make somebody buy us.

We've in effect been for sale for the past 3/4/5 years, if Ashley was given an acceptable offer for us at any point he'd have snatched their hand off. But he hasn't.

 

The only possible positive I can see from going down, is the cheaper games and fact we might win a few.

 

Completely understand where you are coming from, but I guess if we all had the same opinion it'd be boring.

 

Fascinating stuff. Source?

[Figures 1-0 Football]

To be honest, I also do not understand the "i hope we get relegated" stance.

If we battled our way to an FA Cup final with 1-0 wins against League 2 teams, would people want us to lose the final because it would be embarrassing to win?

 

Relegation will not get rid of Ashley, 50,000 empty seats will not get rid of Ashley... someone to walk in with an acceptable offer is the only way to get rid of Ashley.

I completely agree that next week should be 90+ minutes of creating an atmosphere followed by a sit-in protest at our season/the way the club is being ran.

 

I hate the way our club is at the moment, but I certainly will celebrate on Sunday if we survive - I wont clap off the players and blow kisses at them, but I'll be delighted to have came through such an awful period.

 

Yey!

 

We survived another season so we get a chance to survive another season again next year. Hurray!! Woop woop.

 

Against the other option of "yay, we've been relegation so we get the chance to possibly come back up and then have the chance to survive again"?

What do people want? Us to be a Championship club forever?

 

With the squad we have, we're not going to be fighting for anything near the top 8 spots.

I think people need to get realistic and realise this - it is going to take major improvements for this to happen.

People have short memories, we were a Championship club not long ago - our club has been murdered under Ashley for years. We're not going to be magically fixed and healed the day he leaves.

 

On this day, we are fighting relegation - forgive me if I am happy that we do.

 

Stay up and absolutely nothing changes - guaranteed. Manager, owner, coaches, atmosphere, players, ambition - nothing will change. More of the same in perpetuity.

 

Go down and something positive could unfold. Wouldn't mind rolling the dice and finding out tbh. Taking a few steps back to clean the dogshit off our shoes wouldn't be the worst thing in the world imo. The club will be just fine in the long term, just needs a few uncomfortable years to get rid of it's parasite first.

 

I agree, nothing will change if we stay up. That's from the top, everything you listed is down to the tosser in charge of our club.

 

But going down, is more likely to have a negative effect than positive.

When we went down last time, did anything change? Did anything change when we came back up? No, because the same fat tosser is in charge.

 

Would Ashley sell if we went down? Definitely not, he'd make a bigger loss and he's a business man that only cares about his pocket. He wants £x amount for us and will not sell until he gets offered it. There is no way anybody would pay that for a Championship team.

 

Even if we go down, we protest, we burn down Ashley's home - we can make him want to sell, but we cant make somebody buy us.

We've in effect been for sale for the past 3/4/5 years, if Ashley was given an acceptable offer for us at any point he'd have snatched their hand off. But he hasn't.

 

The only possible positive I can see from going down, is the cheaper games and fact we might win a few.

 

Completely understand where you are coming from, but I guess if we all had the same opinion it'd be boring.

 

Fascinating stuff. Source?

 

Didn't say it was a fact, matter of opinion - only time will tell on that one.

[Unbelievable]

To be honest, I also do not understand the "i hope we get relegated" stance.

If we battled our way to an FA Cup final with 1-0 wins against League 2 teams, would people want us to lose the final because it would be embarrassing to win?

 

Relegation will not get rid of Ashley, 50,000 empty seats will not get rid of Ashley... someone to walk in with an acceptable offer is the only way to get rid of Ashley.

I completely agree that next week should be 90+ minutes of creating an atmosphere followed by a sit-in protest at our season/the way the club is being ran.

 

I hate the way our club is at the moment, but I certainly will celebrate on Sunday if we survive - I wont clap off the players and blow kisses at them, but I'll be delighted to have came through such an awful period.

 

Yey!

 

We survived another season so we get a chance to survive another season again next year. Hurray!! Woop woop.

 

Against the other option of "yay, we've been relegation so we get the chance to possibly come back up and then have the chance to survive again"?

What do people want? Us to be a Championship club forever?

 

With the squad we have, we're not going to be fighting for anything near the top 8 spots.

I think people need to get realistic and realise this - it is going to take major improvements for this to happen.

People have short memories, we were a Championship club not long ago - our club has been murdered under Ashley for years. We're not going to be magically fixed and healed the day he leaves.

 

On this day, we are fighting relegation - forgive me if I am happy that we do.

 

Stay up and absolutely nothing changes - guaranteed. Manager, owner, coaches, atmosphere, players, ambition - nothing will change. More of the same in perpetuity.

 

Go down and something positive could unfold. Wouldn't mind rolling the dice and finding out tbh. Taking a few steps back to clean the dogshit off our shoes wouldn't be the worst thing in the world imo. The club will be just fine in the long term, just needs a few uncomfortable years to get rid of it's parasite first.

 

I agree, nothing will change if we stay up. That's from the top, everything you listed is down to the tosser in charge of our club.

 

But going down, is more likely to have a negative effect than positive.

When we went down last time, did anything change? Did anything change when we came back up? No, because the same fat tosser is in charge.

 

Would Ashley sell if we went down? Definitely not, he'd make a bigger loss and he's a business man that only cares about his pocket. He wants £x amount for us and will not sell until he gets offered it. There is no way anybody would pay that for a Championship team.

 

Even if we go down, we protest, we burn down Ashley's home - we can make him want to sell, but we cant make somebody buy us.

We've in effect been for sale for the past 3/4/5 years, if Ashley was given an acceptable offer for us at any point he'd have snatched their hand off. But he hasn't.

 

The only possible positive I can see from going down, is the cheaper games and fact we might win a few.

 

Completely understand where you are coming from, but I guess if we all had the same opinion it'd be boring.

 

Fascinating stuff. Source?

 

Didn't say it was a fact, matter of opinion - only time will tell on that one.

 

You didn't just make some assumptions about the future, you also made some pretty definitive statements about what has or has not happened in the past few years, with no substance to back it up it seems.

[Figures 1-0 Football]

To be honest, I also do not understand the "i hope we get relegated" stance.

If we battled our way to an FA Cup final with 1-0 wins against League 2 teams, would people want us to lose the final because it would be embarrassing to win?

 

Relegation will not get rid of Ashley, 50,000 empty seats will not get rid of Ashley... someone to walk in with an acceptable offer is the only way to get rid of Ashley.

I completely agree that next week should be 90+ minutes of creating an atmosphere followed by a sit-in protest at our season/the way the club is being ran.

 

I hate the way our club is at the moment, but I certainly will celebrate on Sunday if we survive - I wont clap off the players and blow kisses at them, but I'll be delighted to have came through such an awful period.

 

Yey!

 

We survived another season so we get a chance to survive another season again next year. Hurray!! Woop woop.

 

Against the other option of "yay, we've been relegation so we get the chance to possibly come back up and then have the chance to survive again"?

What do people want? Us to be a Championship club forever?

 

With the squad we have, we're not going to be fighting for anything near the top 8 spots.

I think people need to get realistic and realise this - it is going to take major improvements for this to happen.

People have short memories, we were a Championship club not long ago - our club has been murdered under Ashley for years. We're not going to be magically fixed and healed the day he leaves.

 

On this day, we are fighting relegation - forgive me if I am happy that we do.

 

Stay up and absolutely nothing changes - guaranteed. Manager, owner, coaches, atmosphere, players, ambition - nothing will change. More of the same in perpetuity.

 

Go down and something positive could unfold. Wouldn't mind rolling the dice and finding out tbh. Taking a few steps back to clean the dogshit off our shoes wouldn't be the worst thing in the world imo. The club will be just fine in the long term, just needs a few uncomfortable years to get rid of it's parasite first.

 

I agree, nothing will change if we stay up. That's from the top, everything you listed is down to the tosser in charge of our club.

 

But going down, is more likely to have a negative effect than positive.

When we went down last time, did anything change? Did anything change when we came back up? No, because the same fat tosser is in charge.

 

Would Ashley sell if we went down? Definitely not, he'd make a bigger loss and he's a business man that only cares about his pocket. He wants £x amount for us and will not sell until he gets offered it. There is no way anybody would pay that for a Championship team.

 

Even if we go down, we protest, we burn down Ashley's home - we can make him want to sell, but we cant make somebody buy us.

We've in effect been for sale for the past 3/4/5 years, if Ashley was given an acceptable offer for us at any point he'd have snatched their hand off. But he hasn't.

 

The only possible positive I can see from going down, is the cheaper games and fact we might win a few.

 

Completely understand where you are coming from, but I guess if we all had the same opinion it'd be boring.

 

Fascinating stuff. Source?

 

Didn't say it was a fact, matter of opinion - only time will tell on that one.

 

You didn't just make some assumptions about the future, you also made some pretty definitive statements about what has or has not happened in the past few years, with no substance to back it up it seems.

 

Well no, I posted my opinion on a internet forum.

Sorry I didn't explain before hand that it was my thoughts on the situation.

I've changed it for you, if it clearly bothered you that much.

 

I agree, I think nothing will change if we stay up. I think that's from the top, everything you listed is down to the tosser in charge of our club.

 

But I think going down, is more likely to have a negative effect than positive.

When we went down last time, did anything change? Did anything change when we came back up? No, because the same fat tosser is in charge.

 

Would Ashley sell if we went down? I think not, I think he'd make a bigger loss and he's a business man so I thinkthat only cares about his pocket. I think he wants £x amount for us and will not sell until he gets offered it. I think there is no way anybody would pay that for a Championship team.

 

Even if we go down, we protest, we burn down Ashley's home - I think we can make him want to sell, but I don't think we can make somebody buy us.

I think we've in effect been for sale for the past 3/4/5 years, I think if Ashley was given an acceptable offer for us at any point I think he'd have snatched their hand off. But he hasn't.

 

The only possible positive I can see from going down, is the cheaper games and fact we might win a few.

 

Completely understand where you are coming from, but I guess if we all had the same opinion it'd be boring.

[Unbelievable]

 

I would not be at all surprised if there has been interest for the club in recent years, but Ashley has been unwilling to negotiate a reasonable deal. What makes people think Ashley would sell if he could? He's onto an absolute winner here: the club is profitable, revenue is increasing and SD is getting continued global coverage. Maintain the status quo and he will happily be here in another 20 years imo.