JB Posted May 17, 2015 Share Posted May 17, 2015 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted May 17, 2015 Share Posted May 17, 2015 Two seconds, gonna check with my pal William Shakespeare. Think he might have heard it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted May 17, 2015 Share Posted May 17, 2015 All those saying nothing will change if we stay up don't know that anymore than those saying nothing will change if we are relegated. It's conjecture on both sides. Mike Ashley seems to have never heard the saying "Don't spoil the ship for a ha'peth of tar". The tragedy of our situation is that Nufc wouldn't be that hard or (relatively) expensive to run successfully. All he had to do was employ people who were qualified for their jobs. The costs would easily be covered by the increased revenue from finishing higher up the league. You'd think that man was an utter cretin if it wasn't for the fact of how successful SD is. He could have been loved (or at least liked) but his stupidity and tight fistedness have made him hated. he runs nufc by the same model as SD. Run the club on the bare minimum, buy cheap assets (players). Move any asset on that looks to be increasing in value and repeat. Why chase titles or cups when by purely existing in the league brings in silly money. All that has to be done is avoid relegation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted May 17, 2015 Share Posted May 17, 2015 All those saying nothing will change if we stay up don't know that anymore than those saying nothing will change if we are relegated. It's conjecture on both sides. Mike Ashley seems to have never heard the saying "Don't spoil the ship for a ha'peth of tar". The tragedy of our situation is that Nufc wouldn't be that hard or (relatively) expensive to run successfully. All he had to do was employ people who were qualified for their jobs. The costs would easily be covered by the increased revenue from finishing higher up the league. You'd think that man was an utter cretin if it wasn't for the fact of how successful SD is. He could have been loved (or at least liked) but his stupidity and tight fistedness have made him hated. has anyone? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peppe Posted May 17, 2015 Share Posted May 17, 2015 I don't consider myself very football knowledgable but I seriously think I would have gotten us more points than Carver. It's amazing what he has done really Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoveItIfWeBeatU Posted May 17, 2015 Share Posted May 17, 2015 To paraphrase Blackadder: - "don't spoil the ship for a ha'p'orth of tar", sir? It is a common phrase down our way. I'm anispeptic, frasmotic, even compunctuous to have caused you such pericombobulation. http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/spoil+the+ship+for+a+hap%27orth+of+tar spoil the ship for a hap'orth of tar to spoil something big or important by refusing to spend a small amount of money or make a small amount of effort. They spent millions on a wonderful architect-designed building, but they've bought really cheap furniture. It's just spoiling the ship for a hap'orth of tar. Quite funny to find this when I put the phrase into Google: - http://www.readytogo.net/smb/threads/dont-spoil-the-ship-for-a-hapenth-of-tar.803343/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brummie Posted May 17, 2015 Share Posted May 17, 2015 re the table when Pardew left. I know I keep saying this, but from the point of view of one supporting a team that has struggled all season, I find your descent into the abyss absolutely staggering. I barely noticed you around the relegation zone till relatively recently, and certainly considered the chances of you getting into the struggle to be pretty much zero not that long ago. I know things were far from great before you started this descent, but I genuinely think that it is such a descent, and so fast, that it actually looks like someone at the wheel of the ship has deliberately set course for a massive cluster of rocks. It is all so inept, I start to wonder whether it is possible for something like that to happen without someone actually making it go that way, as if there is someone actually masterminding the stupidity. I know football is built on rivalries and petty partisanship, as well as a mountain of schadenfreude, but sometimes you see a situation so bizarrely fucked up, so horrific, that it actually transcends all that shit and people start to feel genuine sympathy. I think a lot of neutrals will be thinking that looking at you now. It is utterly bizarre. It looks like someone - and it's not hard to guess who - is actually punishment fucking you, regardless of the cost to themselves. I don't think you'll go down, that's Hull's spot now, they have too much to do, but fuck me, the fact you're in this situation now is beyond bewildering. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted May 17, 2015 Share Posted May 17, 2015 Interesting theory brummie, but I'm afraid this is (yet again) a case of utter incompetence rather than outright malice, although Mike Ashley is definitely no stranger to the latter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted May 17, 2015 Share Posted May 17, 2015 i'm firmly of the belief he's got virtually no involvement in the club day-to-day or week-to-week and expects it to be run by the people he appoints sadly he seems completely addicted to appointing people who are not qualified for the jobs they're doing Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brummie Posted May 17, 2015 Share Posted May 17, 2015 Interesting theory brummie, but I'm afraid this is (yet again) a case of utter incompetence rather than outright malice, although Mike Ashley is definitely no stranger to the latter. I think you're right, it's just that there is a point at which something looks *so* incompetent, so arsewarpingly horribly stupid, that you start to think, surely, surely this can't be an accident, all this stupidity? Surely it is being driven by some malevolent spirit? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoveItIfWeBeatU Posted May 17, 2015 Share Posted May 17, 2015 Do you think Mike Ashley bet big on NUFC when the odds on relegation were 150 to 1? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
maze Posted May 17, 2015 Share Posted May 17, 2015 This is the table the Monday after El Pards left. The f***ing state of it. 13 points clear of Leicester,10 points clear of Hull. Absolutely shocking by Carver to get in this mess. http://i1239.photobucket.com/albums/ff512/Scotty6682/11_zpsztwzcqft.png This. Picture. Love it! Sums everything up perfectly. This is why teams like Newcastle should get relegated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sempuki Posted May 18, 2015 Share Posted May 18, 2015 Garth might be right for the first time: http://www.themag.co.uk/2015/05/garth-crooks-says-newcastle-are-doomed/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted May 18, 2015 Share Posted May 18, 2015 Garth might be right for the first time: http://www.themag.co.uk/2015/05/garth-crooks-says-newcastle-are-doomed/ Fans fault again. Stupid fans losing all those games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sempuki Posted May 18, 2015 Share Posted May 18, 2015 Lacazette voted player of the year and Riviere has just scored his first goal in May, by accident. Decisions such as these along with having a neanderthal in charge and it is no wonder we are on the verge of going down again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdm Posted May 18, 2015 Share Posted May 18, 2015 Lacazette voted player of the year and Riviere has just scored his first goal in May, by accident. Decisions such as these along with having a neanderthal in charge and it is no wonder we are on the verge of going down again. Tbf lacazette didn't want to leave lyon but I agree. The worst decision was putting carver in charge Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy84 Posted May 18, 2015 Share Posted May 18, 2015 Out of ourselves, Hull and the Mackems it is most definately us that deserve to be relegated. At least the other two have tried to arrest their own demise. The Mackems could see that they were sinking under Poyet so they replaced him with a manager, in Janaury they were desperate for goals so they binned Altidore and took a punt on Defoe. Regardless of the cost at least they have tried to make things better. Same could be said with Hull, in January they signed N'Doye and he came in and scored some goals and undoubtedly won them extra points. On the other hand we have committed football suicide in appointing a bloke in January whose previous record in management speaks for itself. Both Hull and the Mackems appear at least capable of getting a win or points from somewhere. No win in 10 f****** games man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowlingcrofty Posted May 18, 2015 Share Posted May 18, 2015 From a logical point of view, assuming Sunderland are safe, 2 out of the 9 possible results combinations between our game and Hull's send us down, whereas 7 out of 9 keep us up. So we do actually have a good chance of staying up. Relegation-logic-o-meter is a 2/10. However, it seems like everything is pointing to us going down. Other teams picking up included, but our downfall is 100% down to poor ownership, poor management and poor players, none of whom give a shit about the club. I fancy Hull to beat Man United and can see a 1-1 draw vs West Ham, with us blowing the lead in the last 15 minutes. Pretty certain we're going down and deservedly so. 8/10. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinport53 Posted May 18, 2015 Share Posted May 18, 2015 Garth might be right for the first time: http://www.themag.co.uk/2015/05/garth-crooks-says-newcastle-are-doomed/ Pressure cooker atmosphere? St James' has been a library for over 2 season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKSC Posted May 18, 2015 Share Posted May 18, 2015 I got a 'memory' on facebook today from 18th May 2009 commenting on the 'worst football season' ever. I commented that we were heading down and discussed how we'd lose at Villa with my brother, who is a Villa fan. I have that same feeling now. I know it's different and more in our hands, but I have the same feeling of hopelessness. I'd be amazed if we stay up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian Posted May 18, 2015 Share Posted May 18, 2015 Why be amazed at thought that Manu wont beat or draw with Hull....massive points /goal D ? It's just natural pessimism that's coming into play.....which way would you put your mortgage on?.....hold steady!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted May 18, 2015 Share Posted May 18, 2015 If we'd just drawn the two games against Sunderland they'd already be relegated. If we go down no one can say we didn't earn it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varadi Posted May 18, 2015 Share Posted May 18, 2015 It's worth noting that Hull haven't beaten a top 4 side all season. Their only wins against sides in the top 10 are against Everton and Liverpool. Aside from that they've only beaten QPR and Palace (twice each), Villa and the mackems. Them beating Man Utd would be a pretty huge shock. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jill Posted May 18, 2015 Share Posted May 18, 2015 It's worth noting that Hull haven't beaten a top 4 side all season. Their only wins against sides in the top 10 are against Everton and Liverpool. Aside from that they've only beaten QPR and Palace (twice each), Villa and the mackems. Them beating Man Utd would be a pretty huge shock. And yet with our potential relegation at stake, it still seems extremely achievable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted May 18, 2015 Share Posted May 18, 2015 Bruce has never beaten Man Utd in his managerial career. Theres loads of stats that show that there's no way we should go down but it feels so inevitable Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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