Guest reefatoon Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 1 minute ago, Rocker said: I think loads came out of yesterday. How could the judge make his decision half an hour into the proceedings when the clubs QC didn't get to talk for about 3 hours into it? Aye. He was being very dramatic with that post. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjohnson Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 7 minutes ago, Rocker said: I think loads came out of yesterday. How could the judge make his decision half an hour into the proceedings when the clubs QC didn't get to talk for about 3 hours into it? Being entirely objective and removing human bias and emotion he couldn't. However I strongly suspect he'd have already made his decision before even going in to the court. He will have likely been briefed beforehand about most of what Lewis and Jowell were going to say, and was simply carrying out due process. Very little new came out yesterday, the major point being the PLs threat to expel NUFC. However its now very public and people/journalists outside of the NUFC bubble are aware of what has gone on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Spaceman Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 11 minutes ago, gjohnson said: Being entirely objective and removing human bias and emotion he couldn't. However I strongly suspect he'd have already made his decision before even going in to the court. He will have likely been briefed beforehand about most of what Lewis and Jowell were going to say, and was simply carrying out due process. Very little new came out yesterday, the major point being the PLs threat to expel NUFC. However its now very public and people/journalists outside of the NUFC bubble are aware of what has gone on. Are you mental Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BennyBlanco Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 Would the full CAT hearing, should it of course go ahead, be streamed live? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjohnson Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 14 minutes ago, Dr.Spaceman said: Are you mental No, but it would be mental to think a judge would go in to court with no background or preconceived bias Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliottman Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 1 minute ago, gjohnson said: No, but it would be mental to think a judge would go in to court with no background or preconceived bias I mean…. It’s pretty much his job not too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackie Broon Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 4 minutes ago, BennyBlanco said: Would the full CAT hearing, should it of course go ahead, be streamed live? Almost certainly yes, although there would probably be quite a bit of it that would cut away to private, like yesterday. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjohnson Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 2 minutes ago, Elliottman said: I mean…. It’s pretty much his job not too. You honestly believe he just woke up one morning, wandered in to court and had to listen to lawyers talking all day without any idea what was going on beforehand? Yes he is not supposed to form an opinion till afterwards, and that will be the official line, but it isn't realistic unless you disregard human nature Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wandy Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 Ah, we might as well forget about what happened yesterday as Simon Jordan says its still not going to happen... https://talksport.com/football/953778/newcastles-takeover-saudi-arabias-public-investment-fund-simon-jordan/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-more Mag Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 2 hours ago, Wandy said: Agree. They surely can't just say "we think MBS will be the person running the show, now prove to us that he wont". They have to be the ones that prove that MBS would be controlling things. The whole thing is so fucked up though that I wont be surprised if the burden is actually on the buyers. Not really. The rules say who is and is not a director. I don't like the result, but objectively it would be crazy for the PL not to have primacy in interpreting and applying its own rules. (As always, to be clear, fuck the PL mercilessly.) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hhtoon Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 1 hour ago, gjohnson said: Being entirely objective and removing human bias and emotion he couldn't. However I strongly suspect he'd have already made his decision before even going in to the court. He will have likely been briefed beforehand about most of what Lewis and Jowell were going to say, and was simply carrying out due process. Very little new came out yesterday, the major point being the PLs threat to expel NUFC. However its now very public and people/journalists outside of the NUFC bubble are aware of what has gone on. - PIF still in - Arbitration 3/4 January for a week - If we win arbitration then takeover is approved - Other credible bidders (likely offering less due to market valuations) - PIF may not pay the original value for reason above. Hence Ashley "loss" What more do you want man?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty66 Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 (edited) I wonder if the other bids are a bit of a smokescreen to aid the proof that the value has dropped. Get a few bussiness mates to put some low ball bids in and say to the court "look this is what it's worth now, we've lost out on millions!" I mean any decent bid and Ashley would snap their hand off at the minute regardless of who it's from right? Edited September 30, 2021 by Scotty66 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE27 Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 Asking Simon Jordans opinion on football club management is akin to asking Gary glitter for his DBS for a teaching position. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackie Broon Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Hhtoon said: - PIF still in - Arbitration 3/4 January for a week - If we win arbitration then takeover is approved - Other credible bidders (likely offering less due to market valuations) - PIF may not pay the original value for reason above. Hence Ashley "loss" What more do you want man?? Although it's only the PL's QC that said PIF are still in (although he seemed very sure of that) our QC said that PIF have given no indication that they are still interested (which the PL's QC laughed at). Edited September 30, 2021 by Jackie Broon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilson Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 2 minutes ago, Scotty66 said: I wonder if the other bids are a bit of a smokescreen to aid the proof that the value has dropped. Get a few bussiness mates to put some low ball bids in and say to the court "look this is what it's worth now, we've lost out on millions!" I mean any decent bid and Ashley would snap their hand off at the minute regardless of who it's from right? Would that even be allowed considering all this is going on? Genuine question. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashley17 Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 Just now, Jackie Broon said: Although it's only the PL's QC that said PIF were still in (an seemed very sure of that) our QC said that PIF have given no indication that they are still interested (which the PL's QC laughed at). I think it helps our argument to say they have stepped away - probably part of why they withdrew in the first place. Obviously Staveley and co have made noises that they will come back but nothing official from PIF Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Duper Branko Strupar Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 1 hour ago, gjohnson said: No, but it would be mental to think a judge would go in to court with no background or preconceived bias Are you a Chihuahua? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK-421 Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 Good article from Henry Winter, about yesterdays hearing and calling for Independent regulation of the PL... https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/cde8ad66-21df-11ec-a1fd-37d9030e4d65?shareToken=1728eec89e1573d6c7cfd061ecf680c0 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackie Broon Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 4 minutes ago, Ashley17 said: I think it helps our argument to say they have stepped away - probably part of why they withdrew in the first place. Obviously Staveley and co have made noises that they will come back but nothing official from PIF It does. I think the PL might unofficially know PIF are still in really, which I think is why their QC reacted the way he did when ours said they didn't know whether PIF are still interested and referred to the Inter story. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 5 minutes ago, TK-421 said: Good article from Henry Winter, about yesterdays hearing and calling for Independent regulation of the PL... https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/cde8ad66-21df-11ec-a1fd-37d9030e4d65?shareToken=1728eec89e1573d6c7cfd061ecf680c0 Superb write-up and a message that I'm so pleased is getting spread. This has implications to so much more than just the future of NUFC. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 8 minutes ago, TK-421 said: Good article from Henry Winter, about yesterdays hearing and calling for Independent regulation of the PL... https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/cde8ad66-21df-11ec-a1fd-37d9030e4d65?shareToken=1728eec89e1573d6c7cfd061ecf680c0 decent Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 The PL have been painted in a very bad light. There was no denial of the lobbying by the rich clubs and Qatar tv. However, in a world of Barnard Castle eye tests and Campbell Hatton fight results, what’s right doesn’t really seem to matter anymore. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjohnson Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 16 minutes ago, Super Duper Branko Strupar said: Are you a Chihuahua? From a biased and emotional perspective no, but i'd like to hear 2 QCs debating for 6 hours as to why i may be...i'm sure one of them could work a compelling argument to my chihuahua status. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_69 Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Yorkie said: Superb write-up and a message that I'm so pleased is getting spread. This has implications to so much more than just the future of NUFC. They've brought a whole lot of avoidable attention on themselves and their corrupt ways. Hopefully the screw continues to be turned and we see a positive outcome and true reform. How it can be seen as anything other than anti-competitive behaviour is beyond me - it's about as blatant as it could be. Edited September 30, 2021 by steve_69 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 5 minutes ago, steve_69 said: They've brought a whole lot of avoidable attention on themselves and their corrupt ways. Hopefully the screw continues to be turned and we see a positive outcome and true reform. How it can be seen as anything other than anti-competitive behaviour is beyond me - it's about as blatant as it could be. It's almost like they want the government to step in and regulate football, because that's where it's currently heading and they must know this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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