tgarve Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 8 minutes ago, TRon said: I just don't see the point in stressing over what fans are going to be wearing or whether there will be Saudi flags on display. We can't control every single fan, so a few divvies will inevitably turn up worse for wear, quite literally. We are going to get slaughtered in general for the next few months for being associated with the Saudi regime, better get used to it. If you are going to let it destroy your enjoyment of rebirth as a football club, better to just stay away in my view. Watch Liverpool or Man City games instead. 100% Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 I think its pretty obvious wearing Saudi dress or carrying the flag is terrible optics if nothing else. Its could very easily be construed as endorsing what is a barbaric regime. Some fans are obviously uncomfortable with that and don't want the association with the willfully ignorant. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_R Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Hanshithispantz said: I mean you could make an educated guess that it's a joke. I would be suprised if the lad photographed on the front pages was being serious. Like I'm not saying we should all be out wearing tea towels, but at the same time we should be able to recognise that those who are aren't necessarily these cartoonishly stupid mouthbreathers that they're being painted as. That's the entire point though - other fans and the press absolutely will think that about us And you blame alcohol in advance but it's not like you can get drunk and just stumble across a tea towel or a Saudi flag, this takes a level of planning and intent. And it makes ALL of us look like the very worst things the press and other fans say about us. The people watching us, other fans and media, are looking to humiliate us. Let's not help them. Edited October 17, 2021 by Chris_R Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 3 minutes ago, Chris_R said: That's the entire point though - other fans and the press absolutely will think that about us And you blame alcohol in advance but it's not like you can get drunk and just stumbled across a tea towel or a Saudi flag, this takes a level of planning and intent. And it makes ALL of us look like the very worst things the press and other fans say about us. Fuck other fans and the press to put it bluntly. It's their problem not ours. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUHRLYASLEEVESUP Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 Just now, TRon said: Fuck other fans and the press to put it bluntly. It's their problem not ours. Precisely Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thumbheed Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 It's a visual representation of the affect of sportswashing. I don't know what more there is to say on the matter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_R Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 Just now, TRon said: Fuck other fans and the press to put it bluntly. It's their problem not ours. If you live in a little bubble of just Newcastle, and only post here and don't talk to other fans in real life, and don't read newspapers, sure. For the rest of us it is our problem though. Some of us give a shit about how we're perceived. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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tgarve Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 13 minutes ago, The Prophet said: I think its pretty obvious wearing Saudi dress or carrying the flag is terrible optics if nothing else. Its could very easily be construed as endorsing what is a barbaric regime. Some fans are obviously uncomfortable with that and don't want the association with the willfully ignorant. You know that will happen though. and they won’t be ‘supporting’ the regime in their thick heads so it’s not worth stressing about - Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 33 minutes ago, 54 said: Mehrdad seems a canny fella Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 I wish Ashley was still here. I mean fuck the club but I’d feel a lot better about how the rest of the world feels about us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUHRLYASLEEVESUP Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 Just now, RS said: I wish Ashley was still here. I mean fuck the club but I’d feel a lot better about how the rest of the world feels about us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 30 minutes ago, Chris_R said: Again, it's about perceptions. You might be "jokingly" waving a Saudi flag but the media and other fans will just paint it as "Newcastle fans support murdering regime, want success at all costs, only after the money" etc Just don't give them the chance to do that to us? It's not like it's difficult to NOT wave a Saudi flag. It's easy to avoid doing these things. And some of our fans may think "I don't care what people think about us" but plenty of us do care, strongly, so that's where other fans' anger comes in. Let's be united and just maybe not do shit that could make us look stupid on an international stage? This is what I mean though, the outrage from the media and other clubs is completely manufactured and by 'calling our own fans out' we're just joining in on it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest reefatoon Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 11 minutes ago, Chris_R said: If you live in a little bubble of just Newcastle, and only post here and don't talk to other fans in real life, and don't read newspapers, sure. For the rest of us it is our problem though. Some of us give a shit about how we're perceived. See, I would swing that the other way around and say it’s a little bubble of folks on here talking about it. Away from the media, it’s really only a small percentage on here that I am seeing and hearing about it. Talking to people face to face from work etc it’s not even brought up. These are people who support other clubs too. It’s been all about the football, no mention of human rights at all. It’s been all about who is going to be the new manager, new players and stuff like that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 16 minutes ago, Chris_R said: If you live in a little bubble of just Newcastle, and only post here and don't talk to other fans in real life, and don't read newspapers, sure. For the rest of us it is our problem though. Some of us give a shit about how we're perceived. Good luck with trying to make them happy then. Hint: you won't. They'd prefer Newcastle to have remained shit under Ashley. Perhaps morally that would have been the right thing to do while enjoying Man City and Chelsea's wonderful football. For me....nah. They can get to fuck and take Keys and Souness with them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danh1 Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 9 minutes ago, RS said: I wish Ashley was still here. I mean fuck the club but I’d feel a lot better about how the rest of the world feels about us. I would care if it was genuine however, most of it is bitterness and jealousy dressed up as caring. Newcastle United v The World. It’ll be sweeter when we’re actually decent mind and not getting humped every week. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danh1 Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 9 minutes ago, RS said: I wish Ashley was still here. I mean fuck the club but I’d feel a lot better about how the rest of the world feels about us. I would care if it was genuine however, most of it is bitterness and jealousy dressed up as caring. Newcastle United v The World. It’ll be sweeter when we’re actually decent mind and not getting humped every week. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bimpy474 Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 (edited) As the title of one of our threads says, we can be delighted and relieved Ashley has gone, but also realise Saudi Arabian ownership isn't the best ethically. We have nothing to feel guilty for, I don't care what other fans, media or other selected people who want to slag us off say. We've been ridiculed for nothing more than wanting to be run properly, for our club and us to be treated with a miniscule amount of respect. Treated differently than all other clubs, for wanting something normal. So today I'll be smiling, embarrasingly I might even shed a tear when the lads first walk out. For a couple of hours I won't care about ethics about who or what our owners are. I'm going enjoy being free of one of the worst men ever associated with our club. I won't be ashamed, I won't feel guilty. Yes that might be wrong in some eyes, tough, today is about our club breathing the free air of no Ashley. Edited October 17, 2021 by Bimpy474 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_R Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 49 minutes ago, TRon said: Good luck with trying to make them happy then. Hint: you won't. They'd prefer Newcastle to have remained shit under Ashley. Perhaps morally that would have been the right thing to do while enjoying Man City and Chelsea's wonderful football. For me....nah. They can get to fuck and take Keys and Souness with them. I agree. I just don't think we should give them free ammo by dressing up in fucking tea towels. You can not give a shit what people think whilst still not actively sabotaging our image. Plus, let's be honest, whilst I've tried to come at it from the angle of protecting our image, ultimately it is distasteful. No matter how anyone might say "I'm celebrating Saudi culture not the regime" it's clearly NOT the image it gives out, and frankly it's a shit image because they've got a fucking terrible human rights record that we should in no way be venerating or normalising. People are absolutely right to be aghast at fans waving Saudi flags, those fans need to get some self awareness and stop being idiots. This is not a country we should be putting on a pedestal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 There seems to be a lot of straw men in here. We 100% shouldn't feel guilty. It isn't on us as fans, to decide who owns our club unfortunately. It's the Premier League and the Government who have allowed the horse to well and truly bolt on that front. That isn't the argument though. Its simply that some fans are uncomfortable with the celebration of KSA, given their human rights abuses, etc. Other fans won't give a shit, it will depend on your own moral compass where you draw the line. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 58 minutes ago, Hanshithispantz said: This is what I mean though, the outrage from the media and other clubs is completely manufactured and by 'calling our own fans out' we're just joining in on it. What does manufactured mean? Most of the media who are raising this as a topic also raised it about the Man City/PSG owners. You're about a post away from mentioning "virtue signalling" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 2 hours ago, David Edgar said: Fans wearing Saudi attite need calling out and educating as to why it isn't an acceptable thing to do. Disagree personally. I think you are looking far to deeply into their actions. Let them have their bit fun. Life’s hard enough as it is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWN Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 If you are precious about the tea towels stay away from town . I've saw many already, football fans having a laugh. Fuck off to miserable land , the flag however I'm uncomfortable with , my choice. Nada , zip, nothing will spoil my day today , whatever the result this is the start of an Ashley free club. The day we always wanted . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HTT II Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 Our new chairmen there today to take in the match and then sign off Bruce’s sacking afterwards? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackie Broon Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 Putting aside the moral issues around Saudi human rights, wahhabist ideology and support of terrorism the 'tea towel' thing is just embarrassing and potentially offensive to Arab people. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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