PIF and RB Sports & Media

[Wandy]

Just now, gbandit said:

I share some of these feelings but I’ve not seen the smugness, is it all on social media? Because on here the ticketing decisions have been absolutely torn to shreds 

 

Yeah, facebook and twitter has been full of absolute cockends, saying if you aren't prepared to pay the £74 for a ticket then don't bother entering the ballot. Absolute cunts the lot of them.

[jack j]

Most of what I've seen on twitter has been people up in arms about it as well (nor saying its not happening) but plenty feel the same way that its shite craic

[Wandy]

2 minutes ago, jack j said:

Most of what I've seen on twitter has been people up in arms about it as well (nor saying its not happening) but plenty feel the same way that its shite craic

 

From what I've seen its about 70/30 with the 30 supporting the decision. That's an alarming amount of support for something so awful IMO. The entire fanbase should be up in arms about it.

[patrone]

There does seem to be a growing minority in the "where were you when we were shit" brigade

 

Probably the same ones that were calling others "scum cunts" for attending under the FCB days ?

[huss9]

we're lucky as we all have ST's in the gallowgate, but this still has really upset me.

but friends and family have paid for memberships in good faith and have been shat on.

[huss9]

4 hours ago, stozo said:

I feel like all the kicking off about ticket process is a bit people wanting to have their cake and eat it. People want us to compete for trophies. FFP is the major barrier to that. Which means we need to increase revenue. Which in turn means everything (especiallly tickets) will go up in price. Everything has a cost, and this is the price of success. 

how much extra revenue is going to made through ticketing?

its not a great amount in the grand scheme of things.

[TheBrownBottle]

3 hours ago, Whitley mag said:

ToonDawg absolutely nails it in this exchange with Burnsie. 

 

The biggest gripe with club pre takeover was that they didn’t listen, they’ve made a cock up here undoubtedly, let’s hope they put it right which I’m confident they will.

 

 

£74 for a poxy friendly in the poorest area of GB, where you get put into a raffle to see what you get to pay.  It’s not ‘fickle’ at all.  ‘Toondawg’ is talking absolute shite.

 

So full of shite that he/she makes Burnsie look like the voice of common sense. 

[christ]

5 hours ago, stozo said:

I feel like all the kicking off about ticket process is a bit people wanting to have their cake and eat it. People want us to compete for trophies. FFP is the major barrier to that. Which means we need to increase revenue. Which in turn means everything (especiallly tickets) will go up in price. Everything has a cost, and this is the price of success. 

People aren’t complaining about the price though. They’re complaining about the imposition of a process that is going to prevent many fans applying for tickets because they don’t know how much money is going to be taken from their bank account.

 

You could charge the same prices but retain last year’s system and no one would be complaining.

[TheBrownBottle]

2 hours ago, Doctor Zaius said:

It is and it isnt the fault of the 'new owners'. Its more to do with the decentralized, hands off system they've implemented. They've brought in Ashworth to deal with the football, Eales as CEO, Silverstone as commercial etc. While PIF have final say, they've clearly given a fair bit of autonomy to those they've brought in to run the club on the basis that they succeed in their remit, or they're off. 

 

Clearly they've brought in Silverstone with the task of growing the clubs revenue through commercial means. Now this cunt isnt going to give the first fuck about atmosphere, he isnt going to give a fuck about your grandad who cant sit in level 7 and he certainly isnt going to give a fuck about no cost of living crisis. The only thing he's arsed about is his job - increasing revenue. So, given that we're assuming he's done a good job for the owners of Arsenal, he's went back to what he's done before and plonked Arsenals ticketing system on to us. Shite for us, hopefully shite for the club but thats not what he'll think. 

 

Company people making business decisions. 

He’s a clueless cunt if that’s the case - Arsenal is Norf Landan, they can afford £1,000 STs etc.  If he doesn’t understand his market he’s hardly a business guru

 

edit: He’s also not pulling up any fences at the moment commercially - and ticket sales don’t constitute commercial revenues in football finance; they’re ‘match day revenue’.  

 

 

Edited August 1, 2023 by TheBrownBottle

[HaydnNUFC]

What is a club in any case? It’s a small boy clambering up stadium steps for the very first time after his father dished out £57 for memberships for the pair of them, joined a ballot and got a pair of tickets randomly assigned to them in hopefully what is a child friendly part of the ground for the cost of upwards of £75 which they had no choice on.

 

 

Edited August 1, 2023 by HaydnNUFC

[Wandy]

What is happening here is the pricing of people out by stealth. I sincerely hope that they have done this inadvertently and it wasnt premeditated. 

[J7]

2 hours ago, Tsunami said:

I hope some pretty serious questions are being asked behind the scenes about the decision to go digital, the roll out and how it will affect fans.

 

Some of the hoops to jump through and restrictions are an absolute joke. I’m told if you want a paper ticket you have to collect it from the ticket office 2 days before the match? If that’s right then vulnerable ST holders are seemingly being chased out of the club.

 

I can see chaos at the Villa game.

This is an argument against nearly every organisation that goes digital. I work for a housing association with a far high percentage of vulnerable tenants than vulnerable matchgoers, and we’re constantly pushing everyone to go digital. Clubs up and down the country are doing it.

 

The ticket ballot is a shambles though. Given how late in the day it’s been announced, I suspect it’s as much to do with the limitations in the box office than anything. I’d hope so anyway as if it’s a conscious long term decision, it’s a poor one. 

[Likelylad]

I’ve noticed there’s an ilk of fan and I might be generalising but it’s the home and away fan. They seem pissed about away ticket changes and are taking joy in the general fans anger over this.

 

There’s a real disconnect in the fanbase, especially on social media.

[Jordan]

Echoing everyone else but the ballot is a fucking shambles. Fair enough have a ballot but you should be able to select the area of the stadium you want to sit in and the price you’d be willing to pay. 
 

I sat close to the pitch in leazes last season for a game as there was no others available and it was hell due to the lack of legroom and i’m not a very tall person. If that seat was selected again in a ballot, i’d be absolutely furious and not want to go to the game. 

[TheBrownBottle]

4 hours ago, TheGuv said:

Don’t shoot the messenger. Only passing on something I was told.

 

I think some people are still slightly naive to what the Club’s overall objectives are moving forward. 

 

4 hours ago, TheGuv said:

It won’t happen as I’m sure we’ll be fine under Howe 

 

It’s just something to be aware of how the minds of PIF and others work.

Any chance of something less cryptic?  

[Miggys First Goal]

As others have said, this whole fiasco has left a sour taste in the mouth on the eve of what should be an exciting season. 

[TheBrownBottle]

5 minutes ago, Likelylad said:

I’ve noticed there’s an ilk of fan and I might be generalising but it’s the home and away fan. They seem pissed about away ticket changes and are taking joy in the general fans anger over this.

 

There’s a real disconnect in the fanbase, especially on social media.

There’s always been that disconnect - a sizeable portion of the regular travellers who hold everyone else in contempt, but shit a brick it something hits them.

 

When I was a H&A regular, I’d hear plenty of voices bore on about that shite on away coaches all the time.  The moment you care about being a ‘better fan’ than someone else is the moment you should find a different fucking hobby. 

[jack j]

10 minutes ago, Likelylad said:

I’ve noticed there’s an ilk of fan and I might be generalising but it’s the home and away fan. They seem pissed about away ticket changes and are taking joy in the general fans anger over this.

 

There’s a real disconnect in the fanbase, especially on social media.

Aye it works both ways like

I've been in that boat myself where I'm "protective" over my loyalty points and get on the defensive when I see posts saying scrap them or put them on a rolling basis or put half into a ballot etc

 

I think some of the "away fans" as you put it get angered by people saying their points shouldn't mean fuck all

 

Doesn't mean that they should be taking joy in this today like. Cos its a shambles

 

 

Edited August 1, 2023 by jack j

[AyeDubbleYoo]

1 minute ago, Miggys First Goal said:

As others have said, this whole fiasco has left a sour taste in the mouth on the eve of what should be an exciting season. 

I’m not even thinking about the season now, actually not excited about the Villa game at all. 

[Shadow Puppets]

Just now, AyeDubbleYoo said:

I’m not even thinking about the season now, actually not excited about the Villa game at all. 

 

Well that's a bit over the top, surely.

 

I completely understand the reasons that people are upset, but it seems relatively unnecessary to get so emotional about something that will likely be fixed in the coming weeks. I highly doubt that any of this was premeditated. It seems on the surface to me to be an error of judgement, not malicious. It'll be dealt with.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

1 minute ago, Shadow Puppets said:

 

Well that's a bit over the top, surely.

 

I completely understand the reasons that people are upset, but it seems relatively unnecessary to get so emotional about something that will likely be fixed in the coming weeks. I highly doubt that any of this was premeditated. It seems on the surface to me to be an error of judgement, not malicious. It'll be dealt with.

Well, if that’s the case then they should say so tomorrow. They have the backlash now. 

[Likelylad]

Yeah, I definitely get that. It did need sorting mind as it was almost impossible to build loyalty points from 0 as people got tickets & points then just shifted the ticket if they couldn’t make it. Certainly looked like abit of a closed shop to a degree.

 

I’d love to get to more games but living in Manchester and having a long term lass. It’s just not possible fiscally and personally. I’m just a fan. No better or worse than anyone else. Whey except Steve Wraith. 

 

 

Edited August 1, 2023 by Likelylad

[HaydnNUFC]

1 minute ago, jack j said:

Aye it works both ways like

I've been in that boat myself where I'm "protective" over my loyalty points and get on the defensive when I see posts saying scrap them or put them on a rolling basis or put half into a ballot etc

 

I think some of the "away fans" as you put it get angered by people saying they're points shouldn't mean fuck all

 

Doesn't mean that they should be taking joy in this today like. Cos its a shambles

 

I've been one who's mulled over a slight change to the points system over the last year or so but the more I've thought about it this summer the more I've wanted it kept as it is as there's no viable solution imo. A ballot will take tickets away from fans with points, not corporate; punishing fans with points to allow those without to go is categorically wrong. A ballot should come from corporate's sizeable allocation but we all know that won't happen.

 

Regardless many of those without points, such as myself, actually only want to get to around 2 or 3 aways a season. I was able to get to those I wanted to go last season. Some may see that as cheating the system and it is really, but the bottom line is many of those twisting about points are likely the same and only want to get to 2 or 3 aways season. Maybe a generalisation but who knows.

 

From what I've heard from mates who are fans of clubs who have them, I don't want ID checks brought in. They seem lenient/half arsed from the Man City (a) announcement today so maybe that's a slight positive.

[bobbydazzla]

13 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

I’m not even thinking about the season now, actually not excited about the Villa game at all. 

Same.

 

As petty as that sounds.

 

I absolutely loved the section I was in last season, made friends with those around me, was with a group of like minded people who wanted to stand and be vocal, bought a ticket in the same area, often the same seat, for every game. 

 

Now I feel proper deflated that I almost certainly won’t get to be there again this season. And if I do get a ticket for a game I could end paying over the odds to be given a seat in some parts of the ground that I’ve been in before and really disliked.

 

 

 

Edited August 1, 2023 by bobbydazzla

[RS]

 

13 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

I’m not even thinking about the season now, actually not excited about the Villa game at all. 

Hilarious!  Obviously nobody’s ever pissed in the pocket of your donkey jacket in the Gallowgate. That’s truly upsetting.