PIF and RB Sports & Media

[Stifler]

Who’s the one on here who knows the guy in charge of Sela?

[TRon]

21 hours ago, The College Dropout said:

Disagree. 
 

Motivation: Best path to actualise stated goals. 
 

Interpretation of the rules will go to independent courts. That’s why Leicester won their appeal yesterday. The ruling was that the laws are actually poorly written in areas. And Leicester beat the case. 
 

Chelsea have found numerous loopholes. I’m guessing they will continue to find more. 
- super long contracts (bad idea)

- selling infrastructure to themselves 

- Bullshit FFP transfer swapsie pioneer that we ended up using in a bad way. 
 

The first 2 have been closed. But there’s no closing the third.
 

With enough will and resources, these laws can be circumvented to help us. PIF could continually buy players from a random European club for SA league for wild figures with an informal agreement they spend x amount on Newcastle players. There is still nothing blocking us loaning players from Saudi clubs iirc. 

 

 

 

 

You have not really addressed the major issue which I outlined though. PIF don't have many friends in British football, there is understandable caution in breaking rules as we are more likely to have the book thrown at us by the PL than other clubs. Citing Chelsea doesn't really prove anything as they are one of the cartel clubs who the PL is beholden to.

 

Leicester fair enough, but given how hard PIF fought to get the PL to rubber stamp their takeover (after govt pressure) you can hardly blame them for waiting for precedence before challenging the PL themselves.

[The College Dropout]

59 minutes ago, TRon said:

 

You have not really addressed the major issue which I outlined though. PIF don't have many friends in British football, there is understandable caution in breaking rules as we are more likely to have the book thrown at us by the PL than other clubs. Citing Chelsea doesn't really prove anything as they are one of the cartel clubs who the PL is beholden to.

 

Leicester fair enough, but given how hard PIF fought to get the PL to rubber stamp their takeover (after govt pressure) you can hardly blame them for waiting for precedence before challenging the PL themselves.

You think Abu Dhabi and Roman had friends in British football?

 

I keep repeating it - you can bend the rules. You don’t have to break them.  We are reluctant to bend them. Boehly to date, has only bent them.  We haven’t used the open door we have to loan Saudi players. We could sell Almiron to Saudi for the same amount as we’ve been offered - and then loan him back for 2 seasons.  
 

The 112 charges are bad PR for Abu Dhabi.  But the winning speaks so much louder.  And that’s breaking rules. We don’t have to go that far.  

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People say ‘the Cartel 6’ but that’s not entirely true. Before Roman sold Chelsea There’s Arsenal, Man U, Liverpool and Spurs. These are the ‘elite’ clubs with Owners in football for economic gain.  These were the biggest proponents of ESR in England. They are keen to minimise costs and maximise revenues. Abramovic and Abu Dhabi don’t have those interests as priority. 
 

I’ll repeat- Ciry setup their multi club infrastructure at the same time FFP was introduced.  FFP Announced in 2009, implemented 2013. AD bought City in 2009, multi club in 2013.  It’s a direct circumvention of FFP. They aren’t in the same box as the old money PL clubs. 

Boehly went multi club within 2 years! 
 

What’s stopping PIF going multi club?

 

Even Liverpool think they need to go multi club just to compete. Their wage bill is close to City because most non-first team City staff are not employed by the club.  They are employed by city group.  Keeping the costs down by probably 8 figures.  

 

 

Edited September 5, 2024 by The College Dropout

[TRon]

3 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

You think Abu Dhabi and Roman had friends in British football?

 

I keep repeating it - you can bend the rules. You don’t have to break them.  We are reluctant to bend them. Boehly to date, has only bent them.  We haven’t used the open door we have to loan Saudi players. We could sell Almiron to Saudi for the same amount as we’ve been offered - and then loan him back for 2 seasons.  
 

The 112 charges are bad PR for Abu Dhabi.  But the winning speaks so much louder.  And that’s breaking rules. We don’t have to go that far.  

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People say ‘the Cartel 6’ but that’s not entirely true. Before Roman sold Chelsea There’s Arsenal, Man U, Liverpool and Spurs. These are the ‘elite’ clubs with Owners in football for economic gain.  These were the biggest proponents of ESR in England. They are keen to minimise costs and maximise revenues. Abramovic and Abu Dhabi don’t have those interests as priority. 
 

I’ll repeat- Ciry setup their multi club infrastructure at the same time FFP was introduced.  FFP Announced in 2009, implemented 2013. AD bought City in 2009, multi club in 2013.  It’s a direct circumvention of FFP. They aren’t in the same box as the old money PL clubs. 
 

 

Abu Dhabi and Roman got all their spending done and won plenty before the charges could be brought. That put them in a position of power which we simply aren't in. They are on an equal footing with the cartel clubs already now, and I would argue Chelsea are already one of them anyway. Perhaps them selling hotels to themselves and getting away with it will see us now making similar moves. We don't know what agreements we had in place with the PL before they rubber stamped the takeover, but could well be there was some tacit agreement we would play by their rule book. Without knowing the facts it's all speculation.

[80]

4 hours ago, timeEd32 said:

“He knows infrastructure is important. He knows people’s IPs are important. He knows a higher overarching framework and strategy is crucial to get to where we want to get to. Using terminology like that shows there’s a plan and patience.”

  He knows all the words!

[The College Dropout]

2 hours ago, TRon said:

 

Abu Dhabi and Roman got all their spending done and won plenty before the charges could be brought. That put them in a position of power which we simply aren't in. They are on an equal footing with the cartel clubs already now, and I would argue Chelsea are already one of them anyway. Perhaps them selling hotels to themselves and getting away with it will see us now making similar moves. We don't know what agreements we had in place with the PL before they rubber stamped the takeover, but could well be there was some tacit agreement we would play by their rule book. Without knowing the facts it's all speculation.

You didn’t answer my question about multi club. That’s an open hack.  

[TRon]

4 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

You didn’t answer my question about multi club. That’s an open hack.  

 

I don't know where we are with the multi club option or if we are even pursuing it. So not much point in me giving an opinion on it.

[The College Dropout]

13 minutes ago, TRon said:

 

I don't know where we are with the multi club option or if we are even pursuing it. So not much point in me giving an opinion on it.

Well it’s an obvious hack. It’s within the rules. And they haven’t done it.  

[Minhosa]

Feels like a lot of the positivity and momentum left us when AS/MG went imho.

 

This is a pivotal year and it feels like we've got the hired help to deliver it. Corporate suits and salary men in both Eales and Mitchell. Both of whom would jump ship tomorrow if a better offer came along.

 

I don't get the feeling like they've got that attachment that PCP had.

 

Maybe it was all a front, maybe they just wanted their investment returned but at least it felt genuine at the time.

 

There was something a little Keegan-esque about Staveley in her enthusiasm. You aren't replacing that with these two.

 

If this is growing up, post takeover, I don't like it

[The College Dropout]

Isn’t Man City like that?

 

my bigger concern that Yasir treats us like a suit.  City are super corporate. But it’s also a bit of a passion project or at least a marquee project. We need Yasir to consider us a marquee or passion project. The suits matter a lot less when that’s the case. If he doesn’t then the suits are everything. 

[Unbelievable]

Why are you so fixated on what PIF need to do TCD? They are the majority shareholder and have put people in place that they trust to execute their vision for the club. PIF is one of the world’s largest public investment funds, with hundreds if not thousands of investment projects in its portfolio, some far bigger than NUFC. Their objective is the betterment of the Saudi people. They are not, nor will they ever act like, a random billionaire with a pet project. As fans all we can expect is that they hire the right people and act with the club’s best interest at heart. So far so good I’d say.

 

 

Edited September 6, 2024 by Unbelievable

[PauloGeordio]

11 minutes ago, Unbelievable said:

Why are you so fixated on what PIF need to do TCD? They are the majority shareholder and have put people in place that they trust to execute their vision for the club. PIF is one of the world’s largest public investment funds, with hundreds if not thousands of investment projects in its portfolio. Their objective is the betterment of the Saudi people. They are not, not will they ever act like, a random billionaire with a pet project. As fans all we can expect is that they hire the right people and act with the club’s best interest at heart. So far so good I’d say.

They have also just increased their share ownership of the cloob! 

[RS]

Feels like it was a fixed-term contract for  Mandy and hubby to be the grease on the cogs of the takeover and the public face of the club for the following couple of years.  Great job they did of it as well. 

[Menace]

[Thumbheed]

31 minutes ago, Unbelievable said:

Why are you so fixated on what PIF need to do TCD? They are the majority shareholder and have put people in place that they trust to execute their vision for the club. PIF is one of the world’s largest public investment funds, with hundreds if not thousands of investment projects in its portfolio. Their objective is the betterment of the Saudi people. They are not, not will they ever act like, a random billionaire with a pet project. As fans all we can expect is that they hire the right people and act with the club’s best interest at heart. So far so good I’d say.

 

Think they need to prioritise their 0.000000003% investment tbh

[TBG]

Feels like Eales is trying to be the new face but yous all bullied him for singing at STACK. 

[Guest]

Halfs of football like that are often a nice reminder that I'm being sports washed by one of, if not, the most despicable nation-state known to man.

 

(this is sarcasm by the way)

 

 

Edited September 15, 2024 by Jack27

[Guest]

here we go again

[Nucasol]

7 minutes ago, Jack27 said:

here we go again

Fucking Ziegler. City fans hate him and now I’m understanding why. Perhaps if he turned some of his investigate attention to the Chelsea’s and Man Utd’s of the league?

[Stifler]

MI6 is an intelligence agency. They gather intelligence, not go to the government and tell them to approve or reject takeovers of a domestic football club.

[PRL]

To be fair, the article is about issues with the government regulation of the league as opposed to the legitimacy of our takeover. 

[HaydnNUFC]

15 minutes ago, Jack27 said:

here we go again

 

Oh, we must be doing well.

[WilliamPS]

Pretty crazy that James Bond came down in favour of the deal

[woody]

32 minutes ago, Jack27 said:

here we go again

Honestly, that article isn't that bad or anything. It does highlight some worries about government interference.

[BergenMagpie]

6 minutes ago, woody said:

Honestly, that article isn't that bad or anything. It does highlight some worries about government interference.

Status quo is the biggest worry as there's too much bias (know I'm preachin' to the choir here). Was that hearing about an independent regulator completely scrapped?