Rich Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 1 hour ago, Whitley mag said: To be fair he gets some shit on here, but he did call the tourism angle. Howay I gather a couple of the other sponsors will be related to oil and air travel. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big River Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 4 minutes ago, Rich said: Howay I gather a couple of the other sponsors will be related to oil and air travel. Who’s your source?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 4 minutes ago, HUGZ said: Who’s your source?? I live within 1,000 miles of Staveley and Reuben, so naturally I hear stuff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantail Breeze Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 2 hours ago, Whitley mag said: To be fair he gets some shit on here, but he did call the tourism angle. Cheers, Keith. I’m gonna take a similar punt and say we might have a black and white kit next year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bhoywhonder Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 29 minutes ago, r0cafella said: Every time I click an article from that bullshit website I regret it. Absolute eye-AIDS that site. As with everything Trinity Mirror owned, they still seem to think pop-up ads can't be blocked and articles starting with 'Revealed...' or 'Number 8 will shock you" are totally valid as journalism. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 3 minutes ago, bhoywhonder said: Absolute eye-AIDS that site. As with everything Trinity Mirror owned, they still seem to think pop-up ads can't be blocked and articles starting with 'Revealed...' or 'Number 8 will shock you" are totally valid as journalism. Should be on commission, but if everyone used Brave browser (https://brave.com) and turned script blocking on it makes it actually usable and happily doesn’t give them any ad revenue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 1 hour ago, Gordyola said: FFP was introduced to protect the Sky 4 and the European "elite" don't believe otherwise. Despite what they try to tell you its stated purpose hasnt worked look at the debt of certain clubs at record levels. Luckily for City we got in before its real effects set in and our turnover is now in the top 5 in Europe. The issue of related parties standard accountancy practice where any parties have to be declared by directors and examined by the auditors and included in company accounts, set out in international standards its hard for football authorities to argue with. Fair value is generally accessed by independent experts, City's deal with Etihad is not a related party as Sheikh Mansour is not a share holder nor does he have any managerial or executive positions It was accessed for fair value and if memory serves me right passed with out change, as it wasn't just front of shirt but included stadium and academy naming rights. This latest move by the yanks and backed by all but City is clearly aimed at yourselves and for me, the principal of right to trade legal challenge would be successful No worries there are lots of ways around bringing in deals Absolutely this. The fact that a lot of clubs go unpunished if they are a bigger club and in most cases just receive a fine which is either going to cripple a club that is genuinely struggling financially, or not be a barrier to teams deliberately overspending just proves the point. We literally have a scenario where let’s say a League 1 or 2 team who are entirely bankrolled by their owner could go on a massive cup run and enter Europe, but be denied because of FFP, because their owner has to bankroll them because revenues at that level are not sustainable. Man Utd were bought by borrowing money far above their value and getting them into debt, over £1bn worth in today’s money. By the rules of FFP they should be getting points deductions and being kicked of Europe and possibly the league. It’s ok though because they are Man Utd. Burnley got bought out last year via the same methods, and again they should face similar sanctions, but it’s ok because the Burnley owners are not going to invest all that much in the club and they are largely going to stay where they are. Leicester ran afoul of the FFP rules in the Championship and as a result should have been denied promotion or relegated later down the line. They had just won the league when the EFL got around to punishing them and were the publics favoured team etc, which resulted in them getting a very small fine. You then look at how the EFL and such treated Bury compared to Bolton. Both were facing insolvency for the same reasons at the same time. Bury, the smaller club of the two of them were denied the ability to play their games and gain much needed match day revenue and were not given extra time for takeovers to go through. Bolton were allowed to play their games and the EFL board sat around and gave them additional time and help to get a takeover pushed through. FFP and the running of football in this country is a fucking joke, it’s all done to protect the big clubs, it runs down from the FA, through the Premier League, EFL, and the referee’s association. The very moment the Premier League turned around and said ‘We don’t want any Leicester City’s’ should have been the moment they were disbanded. The same applies to when former referee’s came out saying they were instructed to give the advantage to the bigger clubs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitley mag Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Fantail Breeze said: Cheers, Keith. I’m gonna take a similar punt and say we might have a black and white kit next year. Your punts in relation to the takeover we’re spot on of course Fanny, therefore based on this punt we’ll be playing in green and white stripes next year. Edited November 13, 2021 by Whitley mag Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happinesstan Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 1 hour ago, Rich said: Should be on commission, but if everyone used Brave browser (https://brave.com) and turned script blocking on it makes it actually usable and happily doesn’t give them any ad revenue. I'm more than happy to keep avoiding the Chronicle site. In fact I'd go so far as to say being discouraged from visiting their shite site, by their own design, is one of the little things in life. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abacus Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 Can't we just avoid this sponsorship hoo-ha by selling Shelvey to a Saudi club for £20bn? Player sales aren't part of this fandango. Granted, such a move may sour international relations forever, but it's swings and roundabouts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantail Breeze Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 16 minutes ago, Whitley mag said: Your punts in relation to the takeover we’re spot on of course Fanny, therefore based on this punt we’ll be playing in green and white stripes next year. Well it was off due to piracy, not a PL ‘cartel’ with the big six. So I was closer to the point than you Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitley mag Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 15 minutes ago, Fantail Breeze said: Well it was off due to piracy, not a PL ‘cartel’ with the big six. So I was closer to the point than you Still wet behind the flaps Fanny, good to see some things never change. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
manorpark Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Stifler said: Absolutely this. The fact that a lot of clubs go unpunished if they are a bigger club and in most cases just receive a fine which is either going to cripple a club that is genuinely struggling financially, or not be a barrier to teams deliberately overspending just proves the point. We literally have a scenario where let’s say a League 1 or 2 team who are entirely bankrolled by their owner could go on a massive cup run and enter Europe, but be denied because of FFP, because their owner has to bankroll them because revenues at that level are not sustainable. Man Utd were bought by borrowing money far above their value and getting them into debt, over £1bn worth in today’s money. By the rules of FFP they should be getting points deductions and being kicked of Europe and possibly the league. It’s ok though because they are Man Utd. Burnley got bought out last year via the same methods, and again they should face similar sanctions, but it’s ok because the Burnley owners are not going to invest all that much in the club and they are largely going to stay where they are. Leicester ran afoul of the FFP rules in the Championship and as a result should have been denied promotion or relegated later down the line. They had just won the league when the EFL got around to punishing them and were the publics favoured team etc, which resulted in them getting a very small fine. You then look at how the EFL and such treated Bury compared to Bolton. Both were facing insolvency for the same reasons at the same time. Bury, the smaller club of the two of them were denied the ability to play their games and gain much needed match day revenue and were not given extra time for takeovers to go through. Bolton were allowed to play their games and the EFL board sat around and gave them additional time and help to get a takeover pushed through. FFP and the running of football in this country is a fucking joke, it’s all done to protect the big clubs, it runs down from the FA, through the Premier League, EFL, and the referee’s association. The very moment the Premier League turned around and said ‘We don’t want any Leicester City’s’ should have been the moment they were disbanded. The same applies to when former referee’s came out saying they were instructed to give the advantage to the bigger clubs. Great post! Thankfully, I really feel that we can (now) sort any and all of this out when/if it is directed at us, to stop us achieving success. The difference now is that we are owned by a group of (what I perceive to be) intelligent, articulate, caring, forward thinking and vastly wealthy owners, who are all (simply) used to succeeding in what they do. We have unlimited access to the very best legal teams that money can buy . . . IF we need them. Let's hope we do not need them, all we want is to be treated completely fairly, and to not be 'picked on' in any way, ever. I am sure that the not-too-bright (as we know) Premier League will be very well aware of our power and capabilities, and will (hopefully) avoid even trying the most blatant of their lying and cheating (pro-Big 6) deviations !!! Edited November 13, 2021 by manorpark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wandy Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 3 hours ago, Gordyola said: Cheers and agree, we have the Keegan connection with his magnificent brand of football as well it was a huge disappoint that the rags slipped in and won the league that season We now have the bond of having hugely rich owners and the rest are against us, led by the yank clubs Like I say, get set for a bumpy ride, at least we had the honeymoon period when they thought Mansour would get bored when they realised City were are threat then the attacks started. Its amazing how many of the pet journalist developed a keen interest in human rights Yep, we are finding that out very quickly. And especially from our not-jealous-very-much neighbours 12 miles down the road. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordyola Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 On 13/11/2021 at 09:02, Awaymag said: Urgent: An informed source confirms, "Al Qiddiya is the next sponsor of the Newcastle shirt." link https://qiddiya.com So before I clicked the link Id never heard of Al Qiddiya, might be my ignorance?. Considering the fair value of sponsorship question, and the value of putting Al Qiddiya on NUFC's shirts. Assuming a £40M deal, compared to he cost of a advertising campaign on prime time Uk TV it is an absolute bargain, just being on the shirts will get them a worldwide exposure how much would that cost? The takeover have made NUFC a high profile product, even forgetting the history exposure. Etihad, how many people had heard of them before the City deal? Now its a recognizable brand across the world which makes the cost of the deal peanuts Football sponsorship is about getting the name of a brand in the forefront, its not necessarily the product, an obscure brand overnight can become at the forefront in no time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordyola Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 On 12/11/2021 at 23:17, nbthree3 said: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-10196601/Premier-League-plan-curb-Newcastle-Man-City-spending-preventing-use-global-network.html The Premier League are planning to bring in new rules to prevent clubs using their feeder and/or satellite teams to pay players and coaches in another attempt to curb the spending power of Manchester City and Newcastle. The new regulations will form part of tightened restrictions on related-party sponsorship deals which are set to be agreed later this month in a direct response to the £305million Saudi Arabian-led takeover of Newcastle. Newcastle’s new owners have made it clear they are planning to follow the City Football Group model of establishing a global network of clubs, leading to fears among some top-flight rivals that such a set-up could be used to circumvent Financial Fair Play regulations. From a City point of view this will actually make no difference A lot of City FC employees were transferred to City Football Group CFG as they were supplying services to all the clubs in the Group, for example scouting. The Group charge back services to the clubs. During FFP UEFA quivered this and were satisfied by the explanation in fact the cost of the services equated to more than the cost of the employment This story is just ill informed conjecture, get use to it, always negative. Have Newcastle's new owners actually stated they plan to follow the CFG model? The Group model was something that City Group CEO Ferran Sorianho wanted to introduce at Barcelona but the club ownership structure prevented it. CFG clubs are not feeder clubs for City there have only been a few deals with Group clubs. City have arrangements with a few clubs in Europe, just like other PL clubs, that the Academy kids got out to on loan but they are not part of the Group. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khalidao Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 13 minutes ago, Gordyola said: So before I clicked the link Id never heard of Al Qiddiya, might be my ignorance?. Considering the fair value of sponsorship question, and the value of putting Al Qiddiya on NUFC's shirts. Assuming a £40M deal, compared to he cost of a advertising campaign on prime time Uk TV it is an absolute bargain, just being on the shirts will get them a worldwide exposure how much would that cost? The takeover have made NUFC a high profile product, even forgetting the history exposure. Etihad, how many people had heard of them before the City deal? Now its a recognizable brand across the world which makes the cost of the deal peanuts Football sponsorship is about getting the name of a brand in the forefront, its not necessarily the product, an obscure brand overnight can become at the forefront in no time. Qiddiya and NEOM are ongoing mega city projects for the future unlike already established giants such as Aramco and Saudia. The latter two wouldn't risk their brands to be associated with a club still in progress which could end up in the championship come next season. Also, big chunk of Qiddiya and NEOM project budgets are allocated for marketing which will make them easier and more flexible to deal with in the short term. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikky Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 Think their vision 2030 mission is to get 100m tourists to visit the cities - if they pull that off that size of the sponsorship deal by then is going to be massive Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfcastle Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Gordyola said: So before I clicked the link Id never heard of Al Qiddiya, might be my ignorance?. Considering the fair value of sponsorship question, and the value of putting Al Qiddiya on NUFC's shirts. Assuming a £40M deal, compared to he cost of a advertising campaign on prime time Uk TV it is an absolute bargain, just being on the shirts will get them a worldwide exposure how much would that cost? The takeover have made NUFC a high profile product, even forgetting the history exposure. Etihad, how many people had heard of them before the City deal? Now its a recognizable brand across the world which makes the cost of the deal peanuts Football sponsorship is about getting the name of a brand in the forefront, its not necessarily the product, an obscure brand overnight can become at the forefront in no time. Very good points raised there. Like buying a club, part of what your paying for is the potential, limiting potential is oxymornic, if this sponsorship makes them 99% more recognised than they are currently,it would be hard to reasonably argue with any price paid. Reasonable is not their game though. Edited November 14, 2021 by Wolfcastle Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miggys First Goal Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 Somebody with artistic talent please knock up a Newcastle mock shirt with the Al Qiddiya logo on the front. Need to see how good it looks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 11 minutes ago, Miggys First Goal said: Somebody with artistic talent please knock up a Newcastle mock shirt with the Al Qiddiya logo on the front. Need to see how good it looks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
et tu brute Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 1 minute ago, loki679 said: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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