PIF and RB Sports & Media

[Magpie]

1 hour ago, midds said:

There's absolutely no reason why these people should be given loads of hassle but I fear they will be. Highlighting the atrocities and actions of the Saudis in their country 100% should be called out and criticised, the shit they do is abhorrent and barbaric and there is no defence nor should there be, it's vile. 

 

But I think a lot of fans will see the (legitimate) criticism of PIF as an attack on the club itself and they'll inevitably defend their club. Partitioning the club and the owners, and the actions of each, is still an issue and that line is blurred. Hope the protestors have thick skin 

They definitely will be, I can see it getting ugly to be honest. Especially if we're still top 4/6 going into the match 

[et tu brute]

3 minutes ago, Magpie said:

They definitely will be, I can see it getting ugly to be honest. Especially if we're still top 4/6 going into the match 

You're probably right, hopefully not and our fans just walk by, but as Wallsendmag said a half five kick off with supporters pissed up, gets me thinking it may kick off. I'm all for people having their views and if they're unhappy about the ownership that's totally fine. Is the protesting group thinking that this is an opportunity to actually get more publicity by creating a negative scene for the cameras and press. We have all stated there could be problems, so surely they have considered this also. This then opens the question when and how to protest and when and how not to protest. Just got to hope supporters just respect the protesters rights and walk by and get themselves ready for the game. Got a bad feeling about this though as SOME pissed up fans (or people in general) can be easily wound up.

[The Prophet]

The lads, bags and slags lot will be having absolutely none of that.

[Cattletrucked]

Everyone has a right to protest about anything at all, and yes questions should be asked about certain aspects of our ownership. I just think in this case it could all get confrontational and stir up a media frenzy, in a negative way, and we all know there’s plenty of people waiting in the wings to start all the ‘and it’s all going sour at Newcastle’ shite. Could they not protest somewhere when there is no match, it just seems a stupid thing to do, ok these people have an issue with the owners (PIF) crack on, I just think doing it on that day, is a rank bad idea. 

[madras]

19 minutes ago, Cattletrucked said:

Everyone has a right to protest about anything at all, and yes questions should be asked about certain aspects of our ownership. I just think in this case it could all get confrontational and stir up a media frenzy, in a negative way, and we all know there’s plenty of people waiting in the wings to start all the ‘and it’s all going sour at Newcastle’ shite. Could they not protest somewhere when there is no match, it just seems a stupid thing to do, ok these people have an issue with the owners (PIF) crack on, I just think doing it on that day, is a rank bad idea. 

Most protests are done in a way to garner more publicity or focus for their cause. Doing it on a match day will do that and I don't blame them choosing a match day. If you disagree with them just walk by and ignore them and if asked by the media, because they will try and stir things, tell them they can protest as they are allowed to. 

 

 

Edited October 28, 2022 by madras

[Cattletrucked]

8 minutes ago, madras said:

Most protests are done in a way to garner more publicity or focus for their cause. Doing it on a match day will do that and I don't blame them choosing a match day. If you disagree with them just walk by and ignore them and if asked by the media, because they will try and stir things, tell them they can protest as they are allowed to. 

 

 

 

Oh I’ll walk by and I’d ignore any media too. I just hope everyone can and will do the same, I just think it could get ugly. People doubting that they’re toon fans etc. So on that premise, is it really worth it. Course I get the point of it getting maximum attention on a match day. So I take it they just want Saudi ownership out of our Club, but will do bog all about all the other businesses they’re invested in, in this Country? Well good luck to them, like I said, crack on. 

[huss9]

i have real issues with the saudi leaders themselves.

on the other hand we've benefited from the billions they have brought into the british economy.

rather than protests at the ground, maybe they should have tried engaging with the owners and opening some kind of dialogue. maybr they did and failed.

 

cant ever come to hate the saudi's as much as i hate what Israel has done though.

even guilty of murdering  journalists themselves  too.

the whole world is fucked.

 

no protests against the russians for doing similar until they invaded ukraine.

 

i'm not really sure what i'm trying to say.

three wrongs dont make a right.

 

but protest outside buckingham palace and westminister not just st james. 

and include the cunts that run israel, north korea etc.

 

again, i;m pissed and not sure what the fuck i'm trying to say.

leave my club alone.

 

 

Edited October 28, 2022 by huss9

[Whitley mag]

Openly criticising Eddie Howe, wants rid of the clubs best owners in years, friendly with a mackem nut job and engaging in arguments with his so called own fans on Twitter, how not to make friends and influence people.

 

 

[David Edgar]

Just now, Whitley mag said:

Openly criticising Eddie Howe, wants rid of the clubs best owners in years, friendly with a mackem nut job and engaging in arguments with his so called own fans on Twitter, how not to make friends and influence people.

 

 

 

They might be the best owners if you look purely at the football side, but you cannot ignore the elephant that comes with them.  Our fans have every right to protest the atrocities that PIF are directly attached to.  

[David Edgar]

7 hours ago, huss9 said:

i have real issues with the saudi leaders themselves.

on the other hand we've benefited from the billions they have brought into the british economy.

rather than protests at the ground, maybe they should have tried engaging with the owners and opening some kind of dialogue. maybr they did and failed.

 

cant ever come to hate the saudi's as much as i hate what Israel has done though.

even guilty of murdering  journalists themselves  too.

the whole world is fucked.

 

no protests against the russians for doing similar until they invaded ukraine.

 

i'm not really sure what i'm trying to say.

three wrongs dont make a right.

 

but protest outside buckingham palace and westminister not just st james. 

and include the cunts that run israel, north korea etc.

 

again, i;m pissed and not sure what the fuck i'm trying to say.

leave my club alone.

 

 

 

 

This is very "what about..?"  You can't say, "oh, look at the other horrible shit" as a justification that our fans cannot protest to raise awareness about the horrors destroying the lives of people in Saudi Arabia.

[Keegans Export]

20 minutes ago, David Edgar said:

 

They might be the best owners if you look purely at the football side, but you cannot ignore the elephant that comes with them.  Our fans have every right to protest the atrocities that PIF are directly attached to.  

 

We all have the right to peacefully protest whatever we want and these fans have just as much right to protest against KSA/PIF we did Ashley. The right to protest is more important than football.

[David Edgar]

I don't think you can separate PIF and Saudi Arabia and therefore Saudi Arabia and the club at will.  So a protest here against Saudi Arabian rule is also linked to the club.  The fact that some fans are going to be angry, against this protest says as much. 

 

 

Edited October 29, 2022 by David Edgar

[Keegans Export]

6 minutes ago, David Edgar said:

I don't think you can separate PIF and the club at will.  So a protest here against Saudi Arabian rule is also linked to the club.  The fact that some fans are going to be angry, against this protest says as much. 

Exactly. This is Newcastle United fans protesting against the ownership of Newcastle United. They are doing it for different reasons to why some of us protested against Ashley but that doesn't make their concerns any less legitimate.

[Whitley mag]

21 minutes ago, David Edgar said:

I don't think you can separate PIF and the club at will.  So a protest here against Saudi Arabian rule is also linked to the club.  The fact that some fans are going to be angry, against this protest says as much. 

Why would fans not be angry at a protest to get rid of PIF while the rest of the sporting world happily takes their money ?

 

John Hird gets his way and PIF sell up then what ? Is Saudi Arabia in a better place and does our club benefit ?

 

Everyone has a right to protest but fans need to realise what this blokes ultimate aim is. It’s not to engage with club and try to get them on board, but instead to get rid of PIF.

 

As long as he is up front with that protest away, let’s see what support he gets from NUFC fans. I have a feeling the NUFC against sports washing name will not be a true representation of their group make up though, which would be a little bit disingenuous don’t you think ?

 

 

 

 

Edited October 29, 2022 by Whitley mag

[David Edgar]

It isn't easy, is it?  Keep PIF, win the league (maybe) but knowing that we only did it as the plaything of a barbaric regime that only want us for sportswashing?  Some fans, rightly, can't accept that.  I think those fans have every right to protest.  And frankly, they're the ones in the right.

 

Most (me included) can accept/tolerate/ignore PIF/SA.  I'd rather we didn't have PIF, but then it is probably our only way to success.  And I'm not strong minded enough to not get carried away with the investment and potential success.  Plus, I've lived my whole life loving the club.  I just can't break that attachment.  I'll always care about it.

 

I won't defend PIF/SA though.  And there is nothing wrong, at all, with the protest.

 

 

Edited October 29, 2022 by David Edgar

[Wallsendmag]

12 hours ago, Magpie said:

They definitely will be, I can see it getting ugly to be honest. Especially if we're still top 4/6 going into the match 

 

They couldn't have picked a worse game to do this. Final game before everything stops for the World Cup, added to the late kick off, then factor in the opposition. It's got all the ingredients of that Liverpool home game in 2019 when in nearly 40 years of going to games I'd never seen everyone so radged up!

 

There's a big chance it could turn nasty, people will have been on the drink 4/5 hours, they'll be pumped up. If they're going to do this they'd have been better off doing it 3 days earlier at the Crystal Palace game. Will be a different crowd at that one. 1000s of youngsters, loads no doubt going to their first ever match. They'd get far less hassle at that one and the threat of any physical violence aimed towards them but be far less. I honestly don't think this is going to end well.

[Keegans Export]

1 minute ago, Wallsendmag said:

 

They couldn't have picked a worse game to do this. Final game before everything stops for the World Cup, added to the late kick off, then factor in the opposition. It's got all the ingredients of that Liverpool home game in 2019 when in nearly 40 years of going to games I'd never seen everyone so radged up!

 

There's a big chance it could turn nasty, people will have been on the drink 4/5 hours, they'll be pumped up. If they're going to do this they'd have been better off doing it 3 days earlier at the Crystal Palace game. Will be a different crowd at that one. 1000s of youngsters, loads no doubt going to their first ever match. They'd get far less hassle at that one and the threat of any physical violence aimed towards them but be far less. I honestly don't think this is going to end well.

There shouldn't be any threat of physical violence towards them regardless of when they do it and if there is then that reflects badly on the aggressors not the protestors.

[nufc123]

10 minutes ago, David Edgar said:

It isn't easy, is it?  Keep PIF, win the league (maybe) but knowing that we only did it as the plaything of a barbaric regime that only want us for sportswashing?  Some fans, rightly, can't accept that.  I think those fans have every right to protest.  And frankly, they're the ones in the right.

 

Most (me included) can accept/tolerate/ignore PIF/SA.  I'd rather we didn't have PIF, but then it is probably our only way to success.  And I'm not strong minded enough to not get carried away with the investment and potential success.  Plus, I've lived my whole life loving the club.  I just can't break that attachment.  I'll always care about it.

 

I won't defend PIF/SA though.  And there is nothing wrong, at all, with the protest.

 

 

 

Very well said!

[Kid Icarus]

No one had any issue with any of our fans wanting rid of Mike Ashley or having any association with him because of how badly he ran the club. No one was saying we should be fine with it because other businesses deal with him.

 

Now swap the running a football club badly part with 'because they're actual murderers' - it doesn't take a leap of imagination to understand why some fans of that club might want rid of them and want no association with them. 

 

You can still support the club without being antagonistic towards a group of people with a completely reasonable stance. You don't have to excuse yourself for supporting Newcastle, you can support Newcastle while acknowledging that our owners are terrible cunts.

 

'Support the team, not the regime' was the excuse for years and it applies here, you don't need to excuse the regime because they finance the team.

 

 

Edited October 29, 2022 by Kid Icarus

[Wallsendmag]

1 minute ago, Keegans Export said:

There shouldn't be any threat of physical violence towards them regardless of when they do it and if there is then that reflects badly on the aggressors not the protestors.

 

Well obviously but I'm afraid all the ingredients are there for that to happen. As I said they'd be better off doing this at the Crystal Palace game.

[Hovagod]

12 minutes ago, David Edgar said:

It isn't easy, is it?  Keep PIF, win the league (maybe) but knowing that we only did it as the plaything of a barbaric regime that only want us for sportswashing?  Some fans, rightly, can't accept that.  I think those fans have every right to protest.  And frankly, they're the ones in the right.

 

Most (me included) can accept/tolerate/ignore PIF/SA.  I'd rather we didn't have PIF, but then it is probably our only way to success.  And I'm not strong minded enough to not get carried away with the investment and potential success.  Plus, I've lived my whole life loving the club.  I just can't break that attachment.  I'll always care about it.

 

I won't defend PIF/SA though.  And there is nothing wrong, at all, with the protest.

 

 

 

Do people on the internet still say ‘This.’?

 

If they do: This.

[christ]

People kicking off about this either now or on the day are just proving everything people say about sportswashing correct.

 

The first game after the takeover had its share of protests and things didn’t appear to get heated. I hope it’s the same this time around. Doesn’t really matter what you think of these people or their motivations they have a point.

[TheBrownBottle]

13 minutes ago, David Edgar said:

It isn't easy, is it?  Keep PIF, win the league (maybe) but knowing that we only did it as the plaything of a barbaric regime that only want us for sportswashing?  Some fans, rightly, can't accept that.  I think those fans have every right to protest.  And frankly, they're the ones in the right.

 

Most (me included) can accept/tolerate/ignore PIF/SA.  I'd rather we didn't have PIF, but then it is probably our only way to success.  And I'm not strong minded enough to not get carried away with the investment and potential success.  Plus, I've lived my whole life loving the club.  I just can't break that attachment.  I'll always care about it.

 

I won't defend PIF/SA though.  And there is nothing wrong, at all, with the protest.

 

 

 

Yep, that’s pretty much me too.  Everything about it all screams ‘wrong’ but I’m selfishly willing to tolerate it for that bit of joy it might end up delivering.
 

I’m not (and this applies to me only) as ethically high-minded as I once was; I’m now in my fifth decade and would just like to see NUFC win something.  Fair play to those who cannot close their mind to this model.

 

9 minutes ago, Wallsendmag said:

 

They couldn't have picked a worse game to do this. Final game before everything stops for the World Cup, added to the late kick off, then factor in the opposition. It's got all the ingredients of that Liverpool home game in 2019 when in nearly 40 years of going to games I'd never seen everyone so radged up!

 

There's a big chance it could turn nasty, people will have been on the drink 4/5 hours, they'll be pumped up. If they're going to do this they'd have been better off doing it 3 days earlier at the Crystal Palace game. Will be a different crowd at that one. 1000s of youngsters, loads no doubt going to their first ever match. They'd get far less hassle at that one and the threat of any physical violence aimed towards them but be far less. I honestly don't think this is going to end well.

Perhaps, but I hope anyone who gets violent over a peaceful protest - especially one about football club ownership FFS - gets their collar felt and a custodial sentence.  I’ve zero sympathy for anyone who overreacts to this. 

[Groundhog63]

Anyone reacting with anything but support and sympathy (for their stance) is a tit. 

 

[christ]

2 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

Yep, that’s pretty much me too.  Everything about it all screams ‘wrong’ but I’m selfishly willing to tolerate it for that bit of joy it might end up delivering.
 

I’m not (and this applies to me only) as ethically high-minded as I once was; I’m now in my fifth decade and would just like to see NUFC win something.  Fair play to those who cannot close their mind to this model.

There’s a degree of mental exhaustion for a lot of us. If PIF had arrived following a relatively popular owner who hadn’t ran the club into the ground a lot more fans would be uncomfortable with the situation. That’s not the case though, and a lot of people just want to enjoy football again. It doesn’t help that the world around is utterly fucked too. Got to find those small moments of joy where you can.