Dr.Spaceman Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 That's pathetic if so. Why would you want to limit things like infrastructure upgrades? This is the part of any club that can transcend the sport and especially in our case you're not just limiting the club's capacity for expansion but you're limiting the growth of the city / area. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 Just now, Dr.Spaceman said: That's pathetic if so. Why would you want to limit things like infrastructure upgrades? This is the part of any club that can transcend the sport and especially in our case you're not just limiting the club's capacity for expansion but you're limiting the growth of the city / area. Would it not he very difficult to do ? We've built a new stadium for 300mill, so how long do we spread that over, 100yrs ? 200 ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 Just thinking about this, extending the Gallowgate is likely the wrong idea in terms of constructability. A potential solution might actually be to demolish the current stand and rebuild it on a much steeper incline, and possibly include a structural tier above. Spurs’ huge south stand is on a very steep incline - something like 35deg. It might be possible to significantly increase the Gallowgate capacity that way, and of course enclose it with the west stand. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 12 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said: Just thinking about this, extending the Gallowgate is likely the wrong idea in terms of constructability. A potential solution might actually be to demolish the current stand and rebuild it on a much steeper incline, and possibly include a structural tier above. Spurs’ huge south stand is on a very steep incline - something like 35deg. It might be possible to significantly increase the Gallowgate capacity that way, and of course enclose it with the west stand. Spurs new stand’s bottom row is the centre circle used to be on their old stand, and the back row is further back than the back row of their old stand. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miggys First Goal Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 Stifler knows all about this shit. Forum expert. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 1 minute ago, Stifler said: Spurs new stand’s bottom row is the centre circle used to be on their old stand, and the back row is further back than the back row of their old stand. Partially because the bottom tier isn’t on a sharp incline. Was just thinking out loud tbh - the likelihood is that the ground cannot be extended in any meaningful sense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 20 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said: Just thinking about this, extending the Gallowgate is likely the wrong idea in terms of constructability. A potential solution might actually be to demolish the current stand and rebuild it on a much steeper incline, and possibly include a structural tier above. Spurs’ huge south stand is on a very steep incline - something like 35deg. It might be possible to significantly increase the Gallowgate capacity that way, and of course enclose it with the west stand. Spurs had somewhere else to go for the 2 to 3 yrs it would take to build. We don't. In the past it was said the engineering capability to extend was there but it was cost prohibitive. Wonder if that's still the case ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 Just now, TheBrownBottle said: Just checked the architectural plans - that isn’t the case. The stand itself is, because of the leisure facilities included. The seating itself only extends back c.45m. It’s actually shorter than one half of a football pitch than https://www.archdaily.com/917721/tottenham-hotspur-stadium-populous There is no new technology in civil engineering which would reduce the cost. You’d be looking at £200m+ comfortably to extend the Gallowgate I didn't mean reduce the cost, I meant it being more affordable for us now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 7 minutes ago, madras said: I didn't mean reduce the cost, I meant it being more affordable for us now. It’s still a hefty chunk of change - and £200m would be conservative. It would take 50 years to pay for itself if it sold out, allowing for season tickets costing £500. It’s not my money like, on face value it doesn’t look worth it. But if PIF want to do it … Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said: It’s still a hefty chunk of change - and £200m would be conservative. It would take 50 years to pay for itself if it sold out, allowing for season tickets costing £500. It’s not my money like, on face value it doesn’t look worth it. But if PIF want to do it … Probably more if you add in the adjoining hotel on the St James' metro site Edited November 12, 2022 by madras Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big River Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 buy Gateshead stadium, do it up real nice. share it with them and play there for a year or two while SJP is getting revamped. then leave it for Gateshead and our lasses/development teams to share. easy peasy! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 3 minutes ago, Big River said: buy Gateshead stadium, do it up real nice. share it with them and play there for a year or two while SJP is getting revamped. then leave it for Gateshead and our lasses/development teams to share. easy peasy! Haha yep, though unless it’s a 50k seater revamp there’ll be some upset punters who miss out for a year or two. Of course, the logical thing to do would be to pay the Mackems to use the SOS for a couple of years. Like Wimbledon did with Palace. But we don’t live in logical world, and that would be unpopular with the hosts and the guests Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
1964 Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 18 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said: Haha yep, though unless it’s a 50k seater revamp there’ll be some upset punters who miss out for a year or two. Of course, the logical thing to do would be to pay the Mackems to use the SOS for a couple of years. Like Wimbledon did with Palace. But we don’t live in logical world, and that would be unpopular with the hosts and the guests Plus do we really want to sit in someone's shit? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 Try not to think about the stadium expansion in simplistic terms, having an iconic stadium which is large well designed and have a great atmosphere will not only increase the value of the brand but also can allow for more opportunities for both corporate and advertising space. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianovthetoon Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 Left field for a ground share, and potentially contentious, but why not consider Murrayfield for a year or two? Holds 67k, offer subsidised travel to Edinburgh? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 18 minutes ago, 1964 said: Plus do we really want to sit in someone's shit? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitley mag Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 2 hours ago, Stifler said: See this I don’t think will happen. Saudi Arabia is not a tourist destination as much as Dubai is. We also don’t have a large enough Muslim population for it be a hub where Muslims from the Middle East go to Saudia Arabia to visit friends, relatives, and even for pilgrimage. Newcastle doesn’t have enough connections across Europe to even encourage people to go via Newcastle, heck we don’t even have enough connections across the U.K. The airport already has a flight to Dubai and it is actually the freight from that flight that makes it financially viable. I’m not sure we’d get enough freight from Saudi Arabia to make it viable. It just seems to be a massively long stretch to think that they would be flying to/from Newcastle. Once a week flight, will Newcastle not become a destination going forward for Saudi fans ? They’re also looking to make Neom a tourist destination, these things have to start somewhere. Who knows what the future holds with these owners, it’s not beyond the realms they run it as a loss leader in the mid term just for the exposure it will bring. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 3 minutes ago, ianovthetoon said: Left field for a ground share, and potentially contentious, but why not consider Murrayfield for a year or two? Holds 67k, offer subsidised travel to Edinburgh? It’s a good idea. But would the Scottish Rugby Union ever contemplate it? Aren’t they cut from the same wanker cloth as the RFU - I mean, they wouldn’t allow football to be played at Twickenham. Of course, they’re happy to come begging when they need stadiums that hold more than a few thousand for a Rugby World Cup Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 6 minutes ago, Whitley mag said: Once a week flight, will Newcastle not become a destination going forward for Saudi fans ? They’re also looking to make Neom a tourist destination, these things have to start somewhere. Who knows what the future holds with these owners, it’s not beyond the realms they run it as a loss leader in the mid term just for the exposure it will bring. Everything about Neom is chilling. If the entire insane project ever completes, you’d have to hope few people would want anything to do with it. Can’t imagine many punters from Tyneside being interested in fairness - the KSA alcohol ban wouldn’t exactly entice many for their jollies Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 On 12/11/2022 at 10:47, TheBrownBottle said: It’s a good idea. But would the Scottish Rugby Union ever contemplate it? Aren’t they cut from the same wanker cloth as the RFU - I mean, they wouldn’t allow football to be played at Twickenham. Of course, they’re happy to come begging when they need stadiums that hold more than a few thousand for a Rugby World Cup They've let Hearts use it when their stadium was being revamped and for European games. Some mission shipping 50k up and down 20 plus games a season mind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RodneyCisse Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 STC is huge, they had sponsorship of the Saudi GP in the f1. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauloGeordio Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Johnny said: Behold those salty tears! Edited November 13, 2022 by PauloGeordio Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 1 hour ago, Optimistic Nut said: They've let Hearts use it when their stadium was being revamped and for European games. Some mission shipping 50k up and down 20 plus games a season mind. It’s not that bad, plenty of trains available, going to guess the club would seek additional match day trains as well as putting on plenty of coaches. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 3 minutes ago, Stifler said: It’s not that bad, plenty of trains available, going to guess the club would seek additional match day trains as well as putting on plenty of coaches. Going to need 700-1000 individual coaches/trains surely? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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