Miercoles Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 4 minutes ago, St. Maximin said: They clearly just need to dust their axes down, roll their sleeves up and go again. Maybe that's part of why I don't give a fuck about Saudi ownership, other than being happy to win some games. When you're in a country that does lethal injection by whatever you have around the house, allows police to routinely execute citizens without due process, and is in the process of reinstating the Jim Crowe laws and rolling back the civil rights act, it kind of disillusions you about the merits of one government or another. I'm glad I don't live in a theocratic police state such as Saudi, I'm also well aware that I live right next fucking door. You guys aren't that far behind us for that matter, you just need some snake handling episcopalians and you'll be right in with a shout. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
veriaqa Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 (edited) So, when the Saudi will sell NUFC? I heard that the UK will ban Saudi's too? Edited March 14, 2022 by veriaqa Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miercoles Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 4 hours ago, Jackie Broon said: The US also executes hundreds of 'terrorists' each year, without trial, by drone strike. I mean once you go outside the boundaries of "court ordered executions with due process" it's open season my dude. Our police forces execute U.S. citizens without trial or consequence on a regular basis, so you don't even need to go abroad to make your point. Adding in the fact that we've been actively engaged in multiple concurrent wars for the last 20 years or so is really kind of cheating. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miercoles Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 Just now, veriaqa said: So, when the Saudi will sell NUFC? I heard that the UK will ban Saudi's too? The Saudis are a long time strategic ally of the UK and are using weapons purchased from the UK to facilitate their war in Yemen, so that's unlikely. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duo Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 Did I 14 minutes ago, veriaqa said: So, when the Saudi will sell NUFC? I heard that the UK will ban Saudi's too? Not going to happen - the UK needs their oil https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/boris-holds-the-key-to-unlocking-saudi-oil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarrenBartonCentrePartin Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 15 minutes ago, veriaqa said: So, when the Saudi will sell NUFC? I heard that the UK will ban Saudi's too? https://news.sky.com/story/mps-call-on-boris-johnson-to-cancel-saudi-arabia-visit-after-mass-execution-as-minister-defends-newcastle-united-takeover-12566369?dcmp=snt-sf-twitter Quote However, foreign office minister Amanda Milling defended the Saudi investment in the Premier League side. "The Saudi Arabian public investment fund is a significant investor, having invested billions in the UK and other Western markets," she said. "It operates across a range of sectors. We welcome the purchase of Newcastle United, a sign that the UK remains a great place to invest." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 The narrative tonight was very interesting. Roman Abramovic had ties to Putin when be purchased Chelsea. A convicted criminal bought Manchester City and they were sold to a member of the Abu Dhabi Royal family. Various parties in Saudi Arabia have been allowed to form a "strategic partnership" with Man United, own Sheffield United and now own an 80% share in us. A Qatari broadcaster has significsht sway over the PL. All of this has been allowed to happen by the Premier League, while Sky have acted as cheer leaders to the "best league in the world". Now one of the individuals in question has brought their unpalatable behaviour to our doorstep, Sky have decided they have a conscience and what's really important to them is that Thomas Tuchel and Eddie Howe pass comment on their respective owners. It's pearl clutching of the highest order. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leffe186 Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 3 hours ago, WarrenBartonCentrePartin said: It wouldn't be a one-club city if football started again. The mackems would take a back seat and our new rivals would undoubtedly be the newly formed FC AlexHurst-MichaelMartin. Sporting Club de Steve Wraith would also be wanting a look in too. I mean, surely Wraith Rovers? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzz Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 58 minutes ago, veriaqa said: So, when the Saudi will sell NUFC? I heard that the UK will ban Saudi's too? No problem in terms of Saudi-UK relationship for now. But I suppose the PL could revoke PIF's directorship at any time if they ever radically overhauled their owners test? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydnNUFC Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 Was Guardiola asked about Man City's owners tonight? Or was it all about the NAIL BITING TITLE RACE, ALL LIVE EXCLUSIVELY ON SKY SPORTS. SUBSCRIBE NOW. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
welk666 Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 "Gwyn" has no morals ! Saudis killed over 80 people ! Prob on trumped up charges ! Embarressed is not the word for criminals to be owning football clubs ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfcastle Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 (edited) 48 minutes ago, welk666 said: "Gwyn" has no morals ! Saudis killed over 80 people ! Prob on trumped up charges ! Embarressed is not the word for criminals to be owning football clubs ? Have you always been embarrassed or is it just a new(castle) thing? Speaking as someone who genuinely did boycott that last world cup and didn't see anybody else doing that. Edited March 15, 2022 by Wolfcastle Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newcastle Fan Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 Its really weird and quite sad that Eddie Howe is getting asked these sort of questions, he's a football manager hired to manage a football club and has worked extremely hard to acheive a tremendous job, he should feel proud of himself yet they are trying to make him and as always us feel bad about it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thiago Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 6 hours ago, The Prophet said: The narrative tonight was very interesting. Roman Abramovic had ties to Putin when be purchased Chelsea. A convicted criminal bought Manchester City and they were sold to a member of the Abu Dhabi Royal family. Various parties in Saudi Arabia have been allowed to form a "strategic partnership" with Man United, own Sheffield United and now own an 80% share in us. A Qatari broadcaster has significsht sway over the PL. All of this has been allowed to happen by the Premier League, while Sky have acted as cheer leaders to the "best league in the world". Now one of the individuals in question has brought their unpalatable behaviour to our doorstep, Sky have decided they have a conscience and what's really important to them is that Thomas Tuchel and Eddie Howe pass comment on their respective owners. It's pearl clutching of the highest order. The fact Tuchel is deemed 'statesmen like' for saying war is bad when he knew who he was working with when he joined the club speaks strongly to how performative a lot of this is. If Eddie Howe simply said 'killing people is bad' they'd call him Churchill. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitley mag Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 6 hours ago, buzz said: No problem in terms of Saudi-UK relationship for now. But I suppose the PL could revoke PIF's directorship at any time if they ever radically overhauled their owners test? Good luck to the PL with that, they’d be holding football to a completely different standard to other businesses within the U.K. As the minister quite rightly said PIF invest billions in the western economy, regardless of links to the govt our current directors would pass the O&D test. The only reason Abramovich is no longer at Chelsea is govt sanctions, that’s just not happening anytime soon with Saudi Arabia. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 More calls in the press for Howe to give a TED Talk on Saudi Arabia. Meanwhile our Prime Minister is flying there to beg for oil. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sima Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 Did Guardiola get asked about the human rights abuses of the UAE in his post-match interview? Unfortunately I didn't tune in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffJ Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 3 hours ago, Thiago said: The fact Tuchel is deemed 'statesmen like' for saying war is bad when he knew who he was working with when he joined the club speaks strongly to how performative a lot of this is. If Eddie Howe simply said 'killing people is bad' they'd call him Churchill. When asked about the Newcastle ownership, Tuchel pretty much said ‘That’s a difficult one’ Prior to the game, when Howe was asked about Chelsea and Tuchel’s position he pretty much said ‘That’s a difficult one’. One is being lauded by Neville and Carragher as ‘statesman like’ and the other questioned with the inference of ‘why are you working for these owners?’ Also Neville threw Klopp’s name out as ‘statesman like’ when dealing with difficult situations. I’m sure he lied through his polished teeth and straight batted all questions on the ESL before they played Leeds after it broke and it was Milner & Henderson who spoke out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shays Given Tim Flowers Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 Klopp name dropped us the other day when talking about Chelsea and saying ownership needs looking at. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafalove Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 I have no problem with our managers or players or representatives being asked these questions, in fact they should be. I don’t think it’s whataboutism or deflection though to hope that Manchester City get the same treatment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-10612555/MARTIN-SAMUEL-Saudis-Newcastle-kicked-Chelsea.html "This is why it’s harsh to judge football supporters who grade owners on the football alone. A Newcastle fan will have bought his ticket through many generations of stewardship — the McKeag family, Hall and Shepherd, Ashley, the Public Investment Fund of Saudi Arabia. Is that same fan now to pass moral judgment on Hall’s contributions to the Conservative Party, Shepherd’s conduct on foreign trips, the working conditions in Ashley’s warehouses, human rights in Saudi Arabia or the civil war in Yemen? All or any of these decisions, controversies or outrages, could be a reason not to attend. Yet all that fan wants to do is watch his, or her, club. Why should fans make the moral reckonings governments do not? Governments do business, they accept donations — whether from Hall, or Russia, with love. Boris Johnson may travel to Saudi this very week. Will he be discussing Yemen, or last week’s 81 beheadings? No, he’ll be asking them to keep oil prices down, because of developments in Russia. It’s only Eddie Howe, the Newcastle manager, who gets asked to comment on crime and punishment in Saudi. And maybe Thomas Tuchel soon, if new owners get their hands on Chelsea. By all means have a discussion about club ownership and due process, but do not forget where this starts and stops. At the top, with who we court as our allies and business partners, not at the bottom with the powerless chanting Abramovich’s name because they mistakenly think that shows solidarity with their club in difficult times. They do not need pompous lectures from the press box, or from the Prime Minister’s office, particularly given what a mess has been made of the position to here." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 (edited) It keeps coming back to the same issues. Public Investment Funds, Royal Family members and the like should not be allowed to purchase and run football clubs. It becomes even more of an issue when those entities and individuals have problematic backgrounds or continuously commit barbaric acts. War, slavery, assisnstions, etc. An effective governing body would have scrutinised these issues under a fit and proper owners test. The Premier League failed to do so because they prioritised expanding their global brand and raking in the cash. Sky and other broadcasters have passively accepted this, cheering on the grotesque spending of cash from these club owners. An invasion of a European Country occurs and an individual linked to the invading party owns one of these football clubs. The governing body and the broadcasters knew what he was when they let him purchase it, but they need to be seen at the very least to be outraged. So what so they do? Hound football managers, call out sets of fans and generally put it on the folk who carry the least blame on the matter. Meanwhile there is zero scrutiny of the Premier League and the money continues to roll in, happy days. Edited March 15, 2022 by The Prophet Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UncleBingo Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 1 hour ago, Sima said: Did Guardiola get asked about the human rights abuses of the UAE in his post-match interview? Unfortunately I didn't tune in. Or their role in the coalition bombing Yemen? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sima Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, UncleBingo said: Or their role in the coalition bombing Yemen? Anything they are guilty of really. No double he'd have been described as 'statesman like' whatever he said. Not like that filthy Englishman Eddie Howe with his bloodstained hands who is fair game. Course they didn't, just on the off chance Guaridola thinks "fuck this" and walks away, harming their beloved "Top 6" brand. Edited March 15, 2022 by Sima Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khalidao Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 2 minutes ago, UncleBingo said: Or their role in the coalition bombing Yemen? Spoiler They also execute criminals y'know... https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/emirati-court-sentences-foreigners-death-murder-80430452 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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