The College Dropout Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 I’m beginning to land on Howe being a bit more of a motivator than a tactician. Which I think goes some way to explain his streakiness. I’m interested in seeing how he evolves tactically this season and how his motivation and approach fares with European football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
54 Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 1 minute ago, The College Dropout said: I’m beginning to land on Howe being a bit more of a motivator than a tactician. Which I think goes some way to explain his streakiness. I’m interested in seeing how he evolves tactically this season and how his motivation and approach fares with European football. I'm not knocking your point, but in this day and age you can't get by with being just a motivator, and Howe doesn't seem like the pure motivational type. Especially when you factor in that Gordon came out and said that it took him several months to get up to speed with Howe's system, and what he wants each individual player to do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stottie Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 It was mentioned in passing during the Liverpool-Villa game earlier, but last week Allison made eight saves, the most he ever has in a single match for Liverpool. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 Wow did not know that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 10 minutes ago, Stottie said: It was mentioned in passing during the Liverpool-Villa game earlier, but last week Allison made eight saves, the most he ever has in a single match for Liverpool. Really!? That sounds unlikely like. 8's not that much. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 1 minute ago, Kid Icarus said: Really!? That sounds unlikely like. 8's not that much. Not for our keepers over the last few years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
astraguy Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 sounds awesome but yea that needs checking Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duo Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 The only result that was disappointing performance wise was Brighton. Man City we played well- just a piece of brilliance that won the game. Liverpool we were just unlucky- Brighton we were poor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbandit Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 You don’t get major improvements from players that had been performing poorly for seasons just by being a motivator, especially when it’s over a period of 18 months. Howe is an outstanding coach who has improved pretty much everyone and being a tactician is part of that, knowing how to develop a player into a more flexible enhanced version. His in-game management is something that I think probably is weaker than some of the best managers around but it’s still an area he could go on to develop to a great level given that we’ve seen him succeed in every other area Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliottman Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 30 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: I’m beginning to land on Howe being a bit more of a motivator than a tactician. Which I think goes some way to explain his streakiness. I’m interested in seeing how he evolves tactically this season and how his motivation and approach fares with European football. deleted Twitter this week, might have to delete N-O … Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilson Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 4 minutes ago, Elliottman said: deleted Twitter this week, might have to delete N-O … Ignore feature is handy... until people quote the shite like Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Away Toon Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 In Eddie's defense would any of our squad start for Arsenal , Man City or Liverpool? Doubt it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbandit Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 Not for Man City, I think Isak starts for Liverpool and Arsenal. Bruno starts for Liverpool Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattoon Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 12 minutes ago, Elliottman said: deleted Twitter this week, might have to delete N-O … I deleted twitter straight after the Liverpool game and I'm glad I did Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alberto2005 Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 I wouldn't swap Botman for Konate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 Nothing like a couple of defeats to bring out the hottest of takes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaqen Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 41 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: I’m beginning to land on Howe being a bit more of a motivator than a tactician. Which I think goes some way to explain his streakiness. I’m interested in seeing how he evolves tactically this season and how his motivation and approach fares with European football. You can't have a defensive record as good as ours and a press like we've used without some very good coaching. Was actually amazing how quickly he implemented such a drastic change in play style and got it working so well considering his starting block was a negative, unfit and tactic -less mess of a side. Even in our 'poor' runs it was more often than not poor finishing that cost us. We'd have finished third if we didn't underperform our xG so much and pick up all those draws. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazarus Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 Been wondering when it was safe to come back into the football forum - looks like about now. Howe will sort it - I have zero doubt. I think that Tonali will ultimately become the deeper midfielder with Bruno and Willock playing ahead of him as as those 2 have the footballing intelligence to take advantage of Tonali's passing and movement, especially those one touch 90 degree passes through the lines that Tonali loves to play. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliottman Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 2 minutes ago, Mattoon said: I deleted twitter straight after the Liverpool game and I'm glad I did Same here, best thing I’ve done. Gutted I’ve wasted hours on it, shit toxic platform. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 1 minute ago, 54 said: I'm not knocking your point, but in this day and age you can't get by with being just a motivator, and Howe doesn't seem like the pure motivational type. Especially when you factor in that Gordon came out and said that it took him several months to get up to speed with Howe's system, and what he wants each individual player to do. I just think he’s more that than tactician. Not that he doesn’t have any tactics. Clearly there’s a defined style he wants to implement - it requires defined characteristics. But it doesn’t seem to change significantly or have massive variations. We’ve played 4 tough teams with different styles and from what I can see, the tactics have been largely the same. If Howe can motivate the players to do those tactics to the best of the players ability we do well. Pep is regarded as the master tactician. He adapts his tactics and line up to the opposition. As far as I can see, Howe doesn’t really do that. I keep banging on about it but we had issues in the half space against Villa but the press overpowered, we’ve had the same problems against City and Brighton. But in glimpses against Brighton I see Howe’s intention. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty66 Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 I still use it for football news and clips of games etc. Fuck clicking on the comments section though. Everyone of our club posts has something in the comments like "oilcastle,warra trophy,small club,getting grouped" etc. Just shite playground "banter" from spotty teens who go red when a girl says hi to them. Ironically there was absolutely no one around when we really were a "small club" Twitter in general has definitely gone to shit since Musk wanted to make it more down with the kids. Absolutely fucking ruined it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrRaspberryJam Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 3 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: I just think he’s more that than tactician. Not that he doesn’t have any tactics. Clearly there’s a defined style he wants to implement - it requires defined characteristics. But it doesn’t seem to change significantly or have massive variations. We’ve played 4 tough teams with different styles and from what I can see, the tactics have been largely the same. If Howe can motivate the players to do those tactics to the best of the players ability we do well. Pep is regarded as the master tactician. He adapts his tactics and line up to the opposition. As far as I can see, Howe doesn’t really do that. I keep banging on about it but we had issues in the half space against Villa but the press overpowered, we’ve had the same problems against City and Brighton. But in glimpses against Brighton I see Howe’s intention. Bit harsh comparing him to Pep. He’ll never be his level. maybe once we can truly spend some major cash we’ll start seeing a variety of players come in that’ll allow Howe/us to mix it up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 5 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: I just think he’s more that than tactician. Not that he doesn’t have any tactics. Clearly there’s a defined style he wants to implement - it requires defined characteristics. But it doesn’t seem to change significantly or have massive variations. We’ve played 4 tough teams with different styles and from what I can see, the tactics have been largely the same. If Howe can motivate the players to do those tactics to the best of the players ability we do well. Pep is regarded as the master tactician. He adapts his tactics and line up to the opposition. As far as I can see, Howe doesn’t really do that. I keep banging on about it but we had issues in the half space against Villa but the press overpowered, we’ve had the same problems against City and Brighton. But in glimpses against Brighton I see Howe’s intention. While we rarely change shape, there's plenty of examples of us making little tweaks such as altering our press, playing certain attacking patterns or changing personnel depending on the opposition. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 10 minutes ago, The Prophet said: While we rarely change shape, there's plenty of examples of us making little tweaks such as altering our press, playing certain attacking patterns or changing personnel depending on the opposition. Aye we make small changes because Howe is not a dinosaur but the adaptations are small. It’s more about imposing our general approach. We don’t really change personnel because of opposition - maybe a winger at home like when we had ASM. This season if not for injuries we would’ve started the same XI 4 games on the bounce. He’s not a ‘horses for courses’ type manager from what I’ve seen so far. And that’s fine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 25 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: Aye we make small changes because Howe is not a dinosaur but the adaptations are small. It’s more about imposing our general approach. We don’t really change personnel because of opposition - maybe a winger at home like when we had ASM. This season if not for injuries we would’ve started the same XI 4 games on the bounce. He’s not a ‘horses for courses’ type manager from what I’ve seen so far. And that’s fine. It’s not really fine, though. We’re going through a transitional phase now where at home most teams will block deep against us and away, a lot of teams will come at us and stretch the game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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