Elephant Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 (edited) PIF has the last word on next manager and I still believe they are trying to get someone ”bigger name”. If that is impossible, then Amanda’s Fonseca probably gets the job. But hopefully they will find out if Rangnick and Ten Hag are available, because I see more potential in them as long-term staff. The idea of changing from Bruce to Fonseca was a month ago absolutely impossible dream, but the situation has changed since then. Edited October 22, 2021 by Elephant Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjohnson Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 2 hours ago, Awaymag said: So Klopp, Pep, Ole, Nuno etc etc hadn't managed in the premier league. Think you have bought into the myth that the PL is some kind of mystical league and only those who have managed within in, can succeed? Think Brucie with his 1000 games show that knowing the league doesn't make you any good in it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauloGeordio Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 1 minute ago, gjohnson said: Think Brucie with his 1000 games show that knowing the league doesn't make you any good in it Yep, knowing how to play football could be key too! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raconteur Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 This 1000 games is such a load - aren't there only about 350 in the PL? 37.9% win rate when two thirds of your career is outside the top flight is fucking awful. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjohnson Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 2 minutes ago, PauloGeordio said: Yep, knowing how to play football could be key too! Tragic thing is he did know how to play football. He was a bloody good defender, so it's difficult to understand how he could never get a coherent defence going. Unless he was guided completely by Ferguson and never had to actually think....kind of like Lascelles and Rafa? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauloGeordio Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 2 minutes ago, gjohnson said: Tragic thing is he did know how to play football. He was a bloody good defender, so it's difficult to understand how he could never get a coherent defence going. Unless he was guided completely by Ferguson and never had to actually think....kind of like Lascelles and Rafa? Maybe he was “coached” how to be a good defender. Polished up. Managing 11 players is something else. He’s tactically inept, that’s always shone through except when a few good players have pulled him out of the shit! that nose, that was Ferguson slamming his coaching pan into his head for it to sink in Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 There's no real rush. Jones will be in charge at Palace regardless, then we have a bit of a write off v Chelsea followed by an international break. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 Not sure about those comparisons like. Pep and Klopp didn't have PL experience but were already arguably the two best managers out there having won major leagues and champions leagues, all of the managers mentioned also came in to manage far, far, far better squads that Newcastle's. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 Of the current crop. Bielsa, Nuno and Frank came in with Championship squads. Hasenhuttl has done a solid job at Southampton. Potter, while English has come in from abroad and done a solid job at Brighton. Good coaches are good coaches. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 (edited) 19 minutes ago, The Prophet said: Of the current crop. Bielsa, Nuno and Frank came in with Championship squads. Hasenhuttl has done a solid job at Southampton. Potter, while English has come in from abroad and done a solid job at Brighton. Good coaches are good coaches. Amen to that. Funny thing is when the takeover went through many were wanting most from that list you just shared! At some point we need to go out there and do the work to identify similar managers, and stop waiting on others to do all the work first. Pochettino was another that Southampton brought in who was fantastic there and at Spurs. Edited October 22, 2021 by KaKa Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happinesstan Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 43 minutes ago, gjohnson said: Tragic thing is he did know how to play football. He was a bloody good defender, so it's difficult to understand how he could never get a coherent defence going. Unless he was guided completely by Ferguson and never had to actually think....kind of like Lascelles and Rafa? He was a good defender but I think saying he knew how to play football is stretching it. Schar is the type of defender that knows how to play football. Bruce was nothing more than the ubiquitous immoveable object that English football relied upon for too long. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HTT II Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 3 minutes ago, Happinesstan said: He was a good defender but I think saying he knew how to play football is stretching it. Schar is the type of defender that knows how to play football. Bruce was nothing more than the ubiquitous immoveable object that English football relied upon for too long. Gary Pallister was so much better than Bruce as a defender and a footballer, Bruce was just an all action loved to tackle, head and get physical. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happinesstan Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 Just now, HTT II said: Gary Pallister was so much better than Bruce as a defender and a footballer, Bruce was just an all action loved to tackle, head and get physical. Yeah. At that time English clubs had one competent footballer and a brick shithoose in defence. Bruce is as much use as the latter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauloGeordio Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 Mark Hughes talking to Sky: "Foreign managers, I always think it’s sometimes a little bit of a risk because a manager who doesn’t know the Premier League coming from another league, I think invariably they have a period where they are taken aback by the power and the pressure and the speed. That takes some getting used to. "Maybe Newcastle haven’t got that time initially to really allow a manager to find his feet” my quote “yes I’m available” nobody knew the league better than Bruce!! With all his games and different clubs tally! see that mountain way over there ?? ? that’s where you go with that shit! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 3 minutes ago, PauloGeordio said: Mark Hughes talking to Sky: "Foreign managers, I always think it’s sometimes a little bit of a risk because a manager who doesn’t know the Premier League coming from another league, I think invariably they have a period where they are taken aback by the power and the pressure and the speed. That takes some getting used to. "Maybe Newcastle haven’t got that time initially to really allow a manager to find his feet” my quote “yes I’m available” nobody knew the league better than Bruce!! With all his games and different clubs tally! see that mountain way over there ?? ? that’s where you go with that shit! It's a scam man. They know that time is up on the PFM and work is drying up. This is the propaganda being pushed to keep them in work. They claim to know the league but they all always end up getting sacked with their clubs in a far worse place. Allardyce was a complete disaster pulling this stunt at West Brom last season. Time for these lot to go away for good now man. Either go and learn something new or just retire for goodness sake. The new bunch better not be listening to any of this horse shit. They could pull the wool over Ashley's eyes with this nonsense, which I'm sure is why he kept going for these duds, but please no more! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjohnson Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 11 minutes ago, HTT II said: Gary Pallister was so much better than Bruce as a defender and a footballer, Bruce was just an all action loved to tackle, head and get physical. So basically Lascelles with much better guidance Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjohnson Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 1 minute ago, KaKa said: It's a scam man. They know that time is up on the PFM and work is drying up. This is the propaganda being pushed to keep them in work. They claim to know the league but they all always end up getting sacked with their clubs in a far worse place. Allardyce was a complete disaster pulling this stunt at West Brom last season. Time for these lot to go away for good now man. Either go and learn something new or just retire for goodness sake. The new bunch better not be listening to any of this horse shit. They could pull the wool over Ashley's eyes with this nonsense, which I'm sure is why he kept going for these duds, but please no more! Lampard, Gerrard and Howe are literally the next gen PFMs in the making. Possible shout out to Viera too Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 Just now, gjohnson said: Lampard, Gerrard and Howe are literally the next gen PFMs in the making. Possible shout out to Viera too I'm not so sure I agree. I think those lot actually care enough about what they're doing to pay attention to the more modern ideas in the game and to learn about them, especially as they all came up under better managers and all had to have taken their badges right from the outset. All the older heads are just stuck in their ways and think all the tactical stuff and data analysis etc is all just a bunch of nonsense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazarus Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 Yeah Id say that was unfair, at least so far. The key for any manager is how they adapt to the game as the years go by. New tactical ideas, new coaching methods, new analytics, new nutritional ideas etc etc But just because youve had a world class manager as a player, doesnt mean that your gonna be a decent manager (as we all know). If we can see where those managers are in 10 years, and if they are still trying to apply the same old same old, then yes, PFM's. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjohnson Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 26 minutes ago, KaKa said: I'm not so sure I agree. I think those lot actually care enough about what they're doing to pay attention to the more modern ideas in the game and to learn about them, especially as they all came up under better managers and all had to have taken their badges right from the outset. All the older heads are just stuck in their ways and think all the tactical stuff and data analysis etc is all just a bunch of nonsense. I am actually inclined to believe Gerrard might have something, but the likes of Lampard, Rooney etc....can see them 1000 games down the line with every commentator saying they're " a great manager, deserve respect, treated unfairly" when they've relegated their 3rd club in a row Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 44 minutes ago, PauloGeordio said: Mark Hughes talking to Sky: "Foreign managers, I always think it’s sometimes a little bit of a risk because a manager who doesn’t know the Premier League coming from another league, I think invariably they have a period where they are taken aback by the power and the pressure and the speed. That takes some getting used to. "Maybe Newcastle haven’t got that time initially to really allow a manager to find his feet” my quote “yes I’m available” nobody knew the league better than Bruce!! With all his games and different clubs tally! see that mountain way over there ?? ? that’s where you go with that shit! Remember the crying the pundits did when Adkins was sacked by Southampton for Pochettino? Just as risky appointing a shit PFM than someone who may not adapt to the Premier League. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 1 minute ago, gjohnson said: I am actually inclined to believe Gerrard might have something, but the likes of Lampard, Rooney etc....can see them 1000 games down the line with every commentator saying they're " a great manager, deserve respect, treated unfairly" when they've relegated their 3rd club in a row I mean you may well be right, it's one we'll have to wait to see play out, but in the meantime I'm certainly not too keen on having any of them here as I'd certainly be quite worried. As you say Gerrard looks the most promising and I would give Howe credit too as he seems to have really embraced learning the more modern approaches to the game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanji Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 (edited) So weird how much hate Lampard gets. People ought to read about his time at Chelsea from all stages. He’s an intelligent, hard working, and modern thinking manager. He got the dream gig of taking over his club and had a right go of it. They spent a ton of money for him for players he had a major say in coming in and it didn’t work for him and they sacked him. The issue for me is, yeah Tuchel is a fantastic manager who’s also been working far longer, but how does English football get away from the dinosaur managers? Surely not by sacking and tarring Lampard, Howe, Rooney and Gerrard as PFM brigade. It’s by allowing these to actually fail and giving them a chance. haven’t seen Gerrard, Lampard or Rooney claim Bruce was one of the most influential managers in England over the last 100 years like Arteta. Edited October 22, 2021 by Kanji Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 4 hours ago, tom1988 said: This needs to happen. Fonseca, whilst a different echelon to Bruce, is still a bit meh for me - Spurs decided against him after all. Ten Hag for me like. I have a feeling that Fonseca might go on to be one of the next really big names. He is up and coming, and seems to have very focused ideas on how he wants his teams to play. Yes it will be a bit risky while we have substandard players, but when we upgrade the quality, I think his style of play will become exponentially better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjohnson Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 1 minute ago, KaKa said: I mean you may well be right, it's one we'll have to wait to see play out, but in the meantime I'm certainly not too keen on having any of them here as I'd certainly be quite worried. As you say Gerrard looks the most promising and I would give Howe credit too as he seems to have really embraced learning the more modern approaches to the game. Don't know what it is....sometimes you just get a vibe from a manager. Lampard, all i can see is Harry Redknapp Mk II Rooney, all i see is Mini-Souness Howe...Klopp wannabe, without the balls to try another country ( Hell even Burnley was too far North for him) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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