gjohnson Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 11 minutes ago, HTT II said: Gary Pallister was so much better than Bruce as a defender and a footballer, Bruce was just an all action loved to tackle, head and get physical. So basically Lascelles with much better guidance Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjohnson Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 1 minute ago, KaKa said: It's a scam man. They know that time is up on the PFM and work is drying up. This is the propaganda being pushed to keep them in work. They claim to know the league but they all always end up getting sacked with their clubs in a far worse place. Allardyce was a complete disaster pulling this stunt at West Brom last season. Time for these lot to go away for good now man. Either go and learn something new or just retire for goodness sake. The new bunch better not be listening to any of this horse shit. They could pull the wool over Ashley's eyes with this nonsense, which I'm sure is why he kept going for these duds, but please no more! Lampard, Gerrard and Howe are literally the next gen PFMs in the making. Possible shout out to Viera too Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 Just now, gjohnson said: Lampard, Gerrard and Howe are literally the next gen PFMs in the making. Possible shout out to Viera too I'm not so sure I agree. I think those lot actually care enough about what they're doing to pay attention to the more modern ideas in the game and to learn about them, especially as they all came up under better managers and all had to have taken their badges right from the outset. All the older heads are just stuck in their ways and think all the tactical stuff and data analysis etc is all just a bunch of nonsense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazarus Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 Yeah Id say that was unfair, at least so far. The key for any manager is how they adapt to the game as the years go by. New tactical ideas, new coaching methods, new analytics, new nutritional ideas etc etc But just because youve had a world class manager as a player, doesnt mean that your gonna be a decent manager (as we all know). If we can see where those managers are in 10 years, and if they are still trying to apply the same old same old, then yes, PFM's. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjohnson Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 26 minutes ago, KaKa said: I'm not so sure I agree. I think those lot actually care enough about what they're doing to pay attention to the more modern ideas in the game and to learn about them, especially as they all came up under better managers and all had to have taken their badges right from the outset. All the older heads are just stuck in their ways and think all the tactical stuff and data analysis etc is all just a bunch of nonsense. I am actually inclined to believe Gerrard might have something, but the likes of Lampard, Rooney etc....can see them 1000 games down the line with every commentator saying they're " a great manager, deserve respect, treated unfairly" when they've relegated their 3rd club in a row Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 44 minutes ago, PauloGeordio said: Mark Hughes talking to Sky: "Foreign managers, I always think it’s sometimes a little bit of a risk because a manager who doesn’t know the Premier League coming from another league, I think invariably they have a period where they are taken aback by the power and the pressure and the speed. That takes some getting used to. "Maybe Newcastle haven’t got that time initially to really allow a manager to find his feet” my quote “yes I’m available” nobody knew the league better than Bruce!! With all his games and different clubs tally! see that mountain way over there ?? ? that’s where you go with that shit! Remember the crying the pundits did when Adkins was sacked by Southampton for Pochettino? Just as risky appointing a shit PFM than someone who may not adapt to the Premier League. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 1 minute ago, gjohnson said: I am actually inclined to believe Gerrard might have something, but the likes of Lampard, Rooney etc....can see them 1000 games down the line with every commentator saying they're " a great manager, deserve respect, treated unfairly" when they've relegated their 3rd club in a row I mean you may well be right, it's one we'll have to wait to see play out, but in the meantime I'm certainly not too keen on having any of them here as I'd certainly be quite worried. As you say Gerrard looks the most promising and I would give Howe credit too as he seems to have really embraced learning the more modern approaches to the game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 (edited) So weird how much hate Lampard gets. People ought to read about his time at Chelsea from all stages. He’s an intelligent, hard working, and modern thinking manager. He got the dream gig of taking over his club and had a right go of it. They spent a ton of money for him for players he had a major say in coming in and it didn’t work for him and they sacked him. The issue for me is, yeah Tuchel is a fantastic manager who’s also been working far longer, but how does English football get away from the dinosaur managers? Surely not by sacking and tarring Lampard, Howe, Rooney and Gerrard as PFM brigade. It’s by allowing these to actually fail and giving them a chance. haven’t seen Gerrard, Lampard or Rooney claim Bruce was one of the most influential managers in England over the last 100 years like Arteta. Edited October 22, 2021 by Kanji Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 4 hours ago, tom1988 said: This needs to happen. Fonseca, whilst a different echelon to Bruce, is still a bit meh for me - Spurs decided against him after all. Ten Hag for me like. I have a feeling that Fonseca might go on to be one of the next really big names. He is up and coming, and seems to have very focused ideas on how he wants his teams to play. Yes it will be a bit risky while we have substandard players, but when we upgrade the quality, I think his style of play will become exponentially better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjohnson Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 1 minute ago, KaKa said: I mean you may well be right, it's one we'll have to wait to see play out, but in the meantime I'm certainly not too keen on having any of them here as I'd certainly be quite worried. As you say Gerrard looks the most promising and I would give Howe credit too as he seems to have really embraced learning the more modern approaches to the game. Don't know what it is....sometimes you just get a vibe from a manager. Lampard, all i can see is Harry Redknapp Mk II Rooney, all i see is Mini-Souness Howe...Klopp wannabe, without the balls to try another country ( Hell even Burnley was too far North for him) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauloGeordio Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 1 minute ago, TRon said: I have a feeling that Fonseca might go on to be one of the next really big names. He is up and coming, and seems to have very focused ideas on how he wants his teams to play. Yes it will be a bit risky while we have substandard players, but when we upgrade the quality, I think his style of play will become exponentially better. I think (hope) he’ll get more out of what we’ve got with his training/fitness sessions alone Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 Shame on Howe for being picky about what job he takes and for his wife to have a say in it. What an odd thing to dig at re: Klopp. Not even remotely similar managers. Shame on Lampard for being sacked for being 9th. Don’t really care what Rooney has done minus the fact he’s at a club that has now completely become a mess of epic proportions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 Just can't get my head around Rooney as a manager, I'm sorry. Fuck that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 @gjohnsoni gotta say man, that post of yours above has got to be oddest take I’ve seen in ages. I mean literally there isn’t a single thing in that post that is nothing but your own incorrect biased opinion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjohnson Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 11 minutes ago, Kanji said: So weird how much hate Lampard gets. People ought to read about his time at Chelsea from all stages. He’s an intelligent, hard working, and modern thinking manager. He got the dream gig of taking over his club and had a right go of it. They spent a ton of money for him for players he had a major say in coming in and it didn’t work for him and they sacked him. The issue for me is, yeah Tuchel is a fantastic manager who’s also been working far longer, but how does English football get away from the dinosaur managers? Surely not by sacking and tarring Lampard, Howe, Rooney and Gerrard as PFM brigade. It’s by allowing these to actually fail and giving them a chance. haven’t seen Gerrard, Lampard or Rooney claim Bruce was one of the most influential managers in England over the last 100 years like Arteta. Probably because he was such a fundamentally unlikable player. Redknapp connection certainly doesn't help Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjohnson Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 7 minutes ago, Kanji said: @gjohnsoni gotta say man, that post of yours above has got to be oddest take I’ve seen in ages. I mean literally there isn’t a single thing in that post that is nothing but your own incorrect biased opinion. It's an opinion...that doesn't make it incorrect or biased just because you don't agree with it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 Better if you just pointed to their tactics, football philosophy, or something else than just random name calling. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjohnson Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 1 minute ago, Kanji said: Better if you just pointed to their tactics, football philosophy, or something else than just random name calling. And can you identify any of that from Lampard or Rooney? Long and the short is that without their names and playing reputations, they would not be managers of football teams. There's a reason Lampard is not currently working, there's a reason why Rooney is running Derby and not Everton/Man Utd Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 Lampard comes across as a cunt which is why he was disliked Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK-421 Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 Beresford pushing for Chris Wilder on TS. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manxst Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 Just now, TK-421 said: Beresford pushing for Chris Wilder on TS. For “next season or two”. He’s smoking crack. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 1 hour ago, gjohnson said: Lampard, Gerrard and Howe are literally the next gen PFMs in the making. Possible shout out to Viera too Watch this and tell me Eddie Howe is a PFM. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydnNUFC Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 The PFM is a dying breed at PL level. Allardyce, Pardew, Hughes, Pulis, Bruce, Pearson will likely never get a job in this league again. The newer British coaches now are younger, more progressive coaches who don't adhere to clichés or Brexit ideals that PFMs have done. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happinesstan Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 The idea that a player, such as Lampard and Rooney, can do a year or two apprentice at Derby then walk into a top job is just another destructive element of the game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrRaspberryJam Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 (edited) https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2021/10/22/graeme-jones-told-manage-next-three-newcastle-games-new-owners/?utm_content=football&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1634904960-1 Although Eddie Howe, Steven Gerrard and Lucien Favre have made the shortlist, with former Wigan Athletic and Everton boss Roberto Martinez’s name another to be circulated in the last few days, the one who has been featuring heavily in conversations since the start of the search is Frank Lampard. As reported by Telegraph Sport more than a fortnight ago, the former England international has always been of interest to Newcastle’s new owners and is believed to be the preferred choice of other individuals involved in the decision process. Lampard is also likely to have been spoken to in the last few days, although this has not been confirmed at this stage. There is a suggestion that the Saudi Arabians, who have a controlling 80 per cent stake in the club through the country’s Public Investment Fund, like the idea of bringing in a big-name manager like Lampard because of the pulling power he will have for players and sponsors alike. Edited October 22, 2021 by Mr Raspberry Jam Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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