Billy Pilgrim Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Klaus said: The only player who has clearly improved under him is Joelinton. Not convinced about anyone else. I like him and want him to succeed, but so far it hasn't been good enough. Even Joelinton. We’re all laughing because he’s been notably better than he was up front but are we honestly saying we’d rather have him than two or three real central midfielders with genuine quality? In the non-relegation scenario Joelinton is nowhere near the side. Edited January 15, 2022 by Billy Pilgrim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 Saying focal point is fine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elephant Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 1 minute ago, macphisto said: Each to their own but he doesn't to me. Indeed, I find him quite bland. He's well presented, probably had good media training as he talks well enough but that's not charisma in my book. I feel the same way. He seems like very nice guy, who knows lot more about football than me and you, but it seems like he lacks character and toughness of great manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klaus Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 Just now, Billy Pilgrim said: Even Joelinton. We’re all laughing because he’s been notably better than he was up front but are we honestly saying we’d rather have him than two or three real central midfielders with genuine quality? In the non-relegation scenario Joelinton is nowhere near the side. Disagree, i think the new look Joelinton in midfield is class tbh . Sadly he is making up for the lack of graft from the two plodders near him who are stealing a living. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 He's not a bigger problem than the squad he has available. To me, that's pretty clear. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menace Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 Joelinton with a proper midfielder next to him and this team looks far better than it is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 (edited) I've said it before but I do think Howe comes out with some PFM stuff like He clearlly blagged the interview with his knowlege of our squad and the knowhow to change what was needed too. I'm not going to go over the top, we'll see how we are in the next two games or so, but if I'm being honest a less likeable bloke and I'd be wanting him sacked. It's shit, because I know he's better than this, but nothing's working for him. Deffinitely think a clearout of the coaching staff was needed long ago too, and I don't think Howe should have been allowed to bring in his own number 2, unfortunately probably too late for that now like. Edited January 15, 2022 by Hanshithispantz Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 2 minutes ago, Klaus said: Disagree, i think the new look Joelinton in midfield is class tbh . Sadly he is making up for the lack of graft from the two plodders near him who are stealing a living. I think Joelinton is fine in that position too, if he can maintain current performance levels. He's breaking up play as well as anyone outside of the top 6 tbh, it's not even a meme anymore. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thiago Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 I'm torn. Bar a select few I really actively dislike the majority of our squad. That's either because they aren't good enough or it feels like they aren't giving enough. Even ASM has started to frustrate me with his dallying on the ball - but then he is our most consistent threat. I have the same back and forth with Eddie Howe. When he took over I was excited, and maybe I over-estimated what he could do with this squad, but even after the Brentford game I felt there was a vibrance in attack and that with a better CB and Dubravka in goal we'd be grand. Instead it feels like we've retreated a bit. I can't decide if that's a move from Howe or the players are just that shell shocked that they panic. It could be both. Either way, I think I'd hoped we'd see more structure to our play going from Bruce to Howe, and I simply haven't. To be clear, I think it would have been worse under Bruce. The players had clearly lost confidence in him and mutiny was afoot. That's why I find myself looking back at the players, because we've swapped the manager and they still haven't got their arses in gear. The spine of the team was at one stage quite resilient and tough, but Wilson aside (and Wood) it feels like it beats itself these days. Right now I'm not sold on Eddie for next season regardless of what division we're in. If we do go down we simply cannot afford more than one season in the Championship, and I'd be worried about giving him that chance based on what I've seen so far. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 6 minutes ago, Pilko said: Because we all sat here and said "The squad is terrible but Bruce is the fucking pits, this team would be doing better under someone even halfway competent". And Howe has come in, and made absolutely no impact whatsoever other than stumbling upon Joelinton being a canny CM (which he only discovered by starting Clark, another Howe mistake). The narrative seems to have shifted from "squad shit, Bruce making it worse" to "squad so shit that nobody in the world could fix it" just so people can defend Eddie Howe. He's hoodwinked so many on this forum and it's plain as day he's not up to the job. At best, this current squad is 15th in the league. It has absolutely massive deficiencies across the whole lot and the core has had a habit of being diabolical for long stretches. That includes Rafa's time here. What would you be doing differently? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
54 Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 1 minute ago, Pilko said: Because we all sat here and said "The squad is terrible but Bruce is the fucking pits, this team would be doing better under someone even halfway competent". And Howe has come in, and made absolutely no impact whatsoever other than stumbling upon Joelinton being a canny CM (which he only discovered by starting Clark, another Howe mistake). The narrative seems to have shifted from "squad shit, Bruce making it worse" to "squad so shit that nobody in the world could fix it" just so people can defend Eddie Howe. He's hoodwinked so many on this forum and it's plain as day he's not up to the job. On the flip side to this, there can be a bit more nuisance than "He's shite" or "he's great" and people can have different opinions, there can be a shade of grey. I personally have seen a marked improvement in the team since he's arrived, tactically we have been much better, and in every game there has been a clear gameplan and under different circumstances we would be out of the relegation zone right now, but Howe's game management has been a bit of a miss then a hit, and has probably cost us points, it doesnt always have to be to the extremes. You seem to like accusing people of backing him to the hilt, that he's "Hoodwinked" people but you cant seem to realize that your own viewpoint is also too far the other way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
matta Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 (edited) Eddie needs us to catch some form. Basically no change where it matters. Points. Edited January 15, 2022 by matta Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 19 minutes ago, ManDoon said: I’m not massively ITK or anything but I’ve heard nothing good about our scouting . I’ve heard poor reports as well. I believe Nickson needs to go and we need that side of things completely rebuilt. It sounds League 1 level at the moment Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thiago Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 15 minutes ago, Pilko said: Because we all sat here and said "The squad is terrible but Bruce is the fucking pits, this team would be doing better under someone even halfway competent". And Howe has come in, and made absolutely no impact whatsoever other than stumbling upon Joelinton being a canny CM (which he only discovered by starting Clark, another Howe mistake). The narrative seems to have shifted from "squad shit, Bruce making it worse" to "squad so shit that nobody in the world could fix it" just so people can defend Eddie Howe. He's hoodwinked so many on this forum and it's plain as day he's not up to the job. You're not wrong Pilko, but that suggests we're starting from game one. That useless old bag of shite that is Steve Bruce chewed up some very winnable games himself. Southampton, Watford, Tottenham are just three examples. I honestly think if he'd won against Brentford he'd have believed in his ideas and we'd be 5-10 points better off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
worthy Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 1 minute ago, ManDoon said: Yeah it’s fucking dreadful. I find it insane they have access to the whole of football and the best they could do was Chris Wood?. It’s not good at all Well from what has been said, its what Howe wanted, a big man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oregon_Geordie Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 If you add a Kamara or Fofana next to Joelinton. Bin Shelvey and allow Schar to do the Hollywood passing. Bin Longstaff and play Maxi off Wood :/ then get two out and out wingers on the pitch. I'd go Murphy Right and Ritchie Left. Get crosses in, let Maxi feed off Wood and let Joe and a Midfielder with an engine boss the midfield. We seem to have 3 players doing the job 2 because 2 of them are fucking shit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
macphisto Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 2 minutes ago, ManDoon said: Yeah it’s fucking dreadful. I find it insane they have access to the whole of football and the best they could do was Chris Wood?. It’s not good at all I think a lot of the motivation for Wood was to weaken Burnley. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 Looks like Rafa could be available tonight. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elephant Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 Do you honestly think Emery would have said yes to Chris Wood? Or Rafa? Howe said yes, because obviously manager has to accept the signings. And for me that’s very concerning. We can’t sign big names like Coutinho or Digne because Howe is not attracting manager. And right now we need class more than anything else. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geordie Ahmed Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 21 minutes ago, Pilko said: Because we all sat here and said "The squad is terrible but Bruce is the fucking pits, this team would be doing better under someone even halfway competent". And Howe has come in, and made absolutely no impact whatsoever other than stumbling upon Joelinton being a canny CM (which he only discovered by starting Clark, another Howe mistake). The narrative seems to have shifted from "squad shit, Bruce making it worse" to "squad so shit that nobody in the world could fix it" just so people can defend Eddie Howe. He's hoodwinked so many on this forum and it's plain as day he's not up to the job. No impact whatsoever is a bit harsh imo, I understand the late equaliser hurts and emotions are running high Bruce had 3 points from 8 games, across a full season that's 14.25 points Howe has 7 points from 9 games, across a full season that's 29.55 points So there is an improvement, unfortunately it's not enough of an improvement Plus you add in this isn't his squad, I'm willing to reserve judgement on him Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackie Broon Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 Just now, macphisto said: I think a lot of the motivation for Wood was to weaken Burnley. Just before they play Watford, who are the team we'll need to finish above to stay up. Burnley are going down whatever. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Collage Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 25 minutes ago, macphisto said: Each to their own but he doesn't to me. Indeed, I find him quite bland. He's well presented, probably had good media training as he talks well enough but that's not charisma in my book. Not sure ”charisma” is an important quality for a manager, it’s more something we on the outside care about as we don’t see how a manager is on the training pitch, in the locker room and so on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 I’m intrigued to see what type of owners we have btw, as in are they utterly ruthless in managerial situations. Obviously everything we have seen so far suggests they aren’t. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elephant Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 Just now, Geordie Ahmed said: Howe has 7 points from 9 games, across a full season that's 29.55 points So there is an improvement, unfortunately it's not enough of an improvement When you look at our opponents, you realize it’s not good at all. We are not going to have these easy games, because we blew almost every single of them with poor results. We’ve had opportunity to gain points from the weakest teams and we have not done it. Brentford, Norwich and Watford home, no wins in these games. Stats of 29.55 points looks pretty crap when you think about who we have played against. Only two positive results and honestly winning Burnley home 1-0 is not exactly win of the season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geordie Ahmed Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 4 minutes ago, Elephant said: When you look at our opponents, you realize it’s not good at all. We are not going to have these easy games, because we blew almost every single of them with poor results. We’ve had opportunity to gain points from the weakest teams and we have not done it. Brentford, Norwich and Watford home, no wins in these games. Stats of 29.55 points looks pretty crap when you think about who we have played against. Only two positive results and honestly winning Burnley home 1-0 is not exactly win of the season. I'm not saying 29.55 is great, I'm just pointing out that in comparison to Bruce it's better Let's not forget we had a decent set of fixtures under Bruce too but he blew in, that's where the foundation of our problems started Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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