Eddie Howe

[Dandy Man]

2 minutes ago, tom1988 said:

I'm all for backing Howe as manager and he is infinitely better than Bruce as a person but, I don't think he's particularly good.

 

Aside from us being more energetic and pressing more, statistically we're still just as bad as we were with Bruce.

 

Under Bruce this season we conceded an average of 2.375 goals a game and scored 1.25, under Eddie we're conceding an average of 2.1 goals a game and scoring 0.88... Pretty damning for a supposed attack minded coach.

 

Under Bruce we had an average of 39.4% possession per game and under Howe it's 39.88% - again, no improvement!

 

Our xG under Bruce, 0.92, under Howe 0.88

 

Our xG(against) under Bruce was 1.47 and now under Howe 1.73

 

The only stat where there is a noticeable difference is points per game, under Bruce we managed 0.3 and now we're up to the dizzy heights of 0.77 - Bruce also had 2 less home games and twice as many away games as Howe has had.

 

I detested Bruce, he was and is awful and is the epitome of everything that was wrong with the Ashley era but with every passing game we slide closer to relegation because Eddie Howe is just not a very good coach. 

 

In my opinion, if he were a good coach he would have looked at what we have (shit) and tried to make a system work that if not brings the best out of the players at his disposal then at least covers for some of their frailties but that just hasn't happened. It's all well and good having a particular style or identity or idea of how the game should be played but if you haven't got the tools for that (which he hasn't) then you need to adapt and I really don't think Howe has. 

 

Life is certainly better with the new owners and actually being active in the transfer market this month is fun but we're going down whether we like it or not. 

Surely the sample size of 10 matches for Howe (including away to Arsenal, away to Liverpool and home to Man City) is far too small to be drawing any meaningful conclusions

[gbandit]

Think it’s a bit early to be looking at xG as a comparison as there’s a tiny sample size for Howe, especially as it includes an Arsenal, Liverpool, Man City, Man U and Leicester game. I genuinely think it’s almost impossible to fairly rate Howe on what we’ve seen so far. The only thing that I think we can say is that his in-game management could be better

[Gallowgate Toon]

That is a very, very small sample size.

 

I love the idea that coaching is this thing you just flick on and everything is better. Did Rafa teach us nothing? His whole philosophy was about building up everything and that took time. 

 

Eddie Howe finished 9th with this squad. He clearly has something as a coach.

 

 

Edited January 17, 2022 by Gallowgate Toon

[afcb]

Hello. Thought I'd have a look out of interest as an afcb fan that obviously, like every afcb fan, loves Eddie. One thing I've read a few times is about the attack not linking up properly and the striker being isolated. We had this with him many times when he didn't trust the defence, sacrificing wingers almost making it a back 6 instead of allowing them to attack. If you do get the CB's he's after I'd expect that to change.

 

You probably need more than that, people actually up for a fight unlike the wee cunt, but anyway I hope you do stay up and we play you next season in the PL.

[Kid Icarus]

13 minutes ago, tom1988 said:

I'm all for backing Howe as manager and he is infinitely better than Bruce as a person but, I don't think he's particularly good.

 

Aside from us being more energetic and pressing more, statistically we're still just as bad as we were with Bruce.

 

Under Bruce this season we conceded an average of 2.375 goals a game and scored 1.25, under Eddie we're conceding an average of 2.1 goals a game and scoring 0.88... Pretty damning for a supposed attack minded coach.

 

Under Bruce we had an average of 39.4% possession per game and under Howe it's 39.88% - again, no improvement!

 

Our xG under Bruce, 0.92, under Howe 0.88

 

Our xG(against) under Bruce was 1.47 and now under Howe 1.73

 

The only stat where there is a noticeable difference is points per game, under Bruce we managed 0.3 and now we're up to the dizzy heights of 0.77 - Bruce also had 2 less home games and twice as many away games as Howe has had.

 

I detested Bruce, he was and is awful and is the epitome of everything that was wrong with the Ashley era but with every passing game we slide closer to relegation because Eddie Howe is just not a very good coach. 

 

In my opinion, if he were a good coach he would have looked at what we have (shit) and tried to make a system work that if not brings the best out of the players at his disposal then at least covers for some of their frailties but that just hasn't happened. It's all well and good having a particular style or identity or idea of how the game should be played but if you haven't got the tools for that (which he hasn't) then you need to adapt and I really don't think Howe has. 

 

Life is certainly better with the new owners and actually being active in the transfer market this month is fun but we're going down whether we like it or not. 

5 of the 10 matches you're using for those stats were against Arsenal, Leicester, Liverpool, Man City, Man United. 

[Kid Icarus]

12 minutes ago, afcb said:

Hello. Thought I'd have a look out of interest as an afcb fan that obviously, like every afcb fan, loves Eddie. One thing I've read a few times is about the attack not linking up properly and the striker being isolated. We had this with him many times when he didn't trust the defence, sacrificing wingers almost making it a back 6 instead of allowing them to attack. If you do get the CB's he's after I'd expect that to change.

 

You probably need more than that, people actually up for a fight unlike the wee cunt, but anyway I hope you do stay up and we play you next season in the PL.

 

Thanks for the post and the insight. Feel free to stick around. :thup:

 

Fraser's actually been one of our better players in terms of pressing from the front and doing the dirty work, I'm sure that's annoying for you to read but it's true. The player not doing it (possibly because he's been told to conserve energy) is Saint-Maximin. 

 

 

Edited January 17, 2022 by Kid Icarus

[Hanshithispantz]

I think Howe's main problem hasn't been his coaching like, it's that he's come in with far too much responsibility, which is probably partly his fault as it seems like he blagged the interview.

 

There's some weird tactical decitions he's made which don't look good but I think we could avoid that if we bring some players in.

 

 

Edited January 17, 2022 by Hanshithispantz

[Smal]

Playing Jonjo Shelvey as the only protection for a weak back four is absolutely insane stuff tbh but he’s done it for nearly all of his 10 games now.

 

Think we need to switch to a double pivot asap. He needs to show signs of trying to find a system that actually works for the players we have.

[Guest]

2 hours ago, MarkyMark said:

We didn't get the result vs Norwich because Howe and inexplicably still in a job Jones thought Clark was a better bet than Fernandez - a view shared by no-one else who'd seen a Newcastle United match in the previous half-decade.

No problem with a manager taking a few games to notice things like that. It took Rafa until half-time of the Southampton away game for example to suss that S.Taylor was done for and Lascelles was a better option.

[arnonel]

Also dont understand Shelvey in his role. 
He is one of the best passers in the league, but is being used in DM role playing short simple passes.
If he is going to be used in the team, at least use his strengths and try negate the weaknesses

 

 

[Andy]

36 minutes ago, arnonel said:

Also dont understand Shelvey in his role. 
He is one of the best passers in the league, but is being used in DM role playing short simple passes.
If he is going to be used in the team, at least use his strengths and try negate the weaknesses

 

 

 

Think that's the biggest myth in football, personally.

[BGRM]

38 minutes ago, arnonel said:

Also dont understand Shelvey in his role. 
He is one of the best passers in the league, but is being used in DM role playing short simple passes.
If he is going to be used in the team, at least use his strengths and try negate the weaknesses

 

 

I really don’t think he’s one of the best passers in the league like.

[Gazzaschicken]

Shelvy is a great passer in a shite team who can't pass. Remember his debut he hit 2 Cross field diagonal balls he looked amazing and the crowd were giving it the Gary neville orgasms but that was only cause we had years of shite football no1 had done it in so long. 

[r0cafella]

Just now, Gazzaschicken said:

Shelvy is a great passer in a shite team who can't pass. Remember his debut he hit 2 Cross field diagonal balls he looked amazing and the crowd were giving it the Gary neville orgasms but that was only cause we had years of shite football no1 had done it in so long. 

Long passing is bread and butter for any top level central midfielder like. 
 

You could argue he has an eye for a pass but then I look at his assist and key passes and it also doesn’t seem to add up. 

[Lush Vlad]

2 hours ago, ManDoon said:

I think one game is a pretty poor sample size. Also Leeds drag your players all over the shop. He should do the same when we play Leeds again.

 

Pretty sure there was one after our first 3-4 games and the average positions of players was generally a good bit higher up the pitch and we seemed to have a bit more shape and structure.  Which isn't really that surprising.   

 

It does work both ways, of course.  Everyone who is going on about the results, possession, xG, goals scored and conceded etc compared to Bruce.  They are also using a small sample size and not factoring in the strength of opposition that we have faced for more than half of those league games. 

 

Such small margins at this level.  Hang on against Man U, Norwich and Watford and we are a bit more clinical in those games and we could have been 6 points better off.  Brentford felt like points dropped and all.  There is a theme here, mind.  We can't protect a lead.

[Lush Vlad]

3 hours ago, ManDoon said:

Yes, relying on a dog shit midfield and only using one to protect the back four is inanity. 4-2-3-1 is the only way

 

I also think this.  But then it did feel like he started 4-4-1-1/4-2-3-1.  Then realised the midfield options were so bad and ASM was so allergic to even attempting to cover.  That we went with this 4-3-3, after stumbling upon Joelinton being good in that left centre role.  Winning the ball and releasing it early to ASM, whilst also covering the left back for him.    

 

I was having a bit of a back and forth with someone on Twitter.  Who seemed to be suggesting our midfield was poor, because they have to protect the back 4 so much.  So they can't push on and be creative.  I think there would be an element of truth in that if they were screening the centre backs and doing a lot of donkey work at the back.  But they're currently fucking invisible and don't influence the game at either end of the pitch, or the middle, funnily enough.  They are utter dogshit and so depressing to watch. 

 

Not sure we have the personnel for 4-2-3-1 right now.  But I would really like to see it.  As this 4-3-3 seems a good idea in games where we won't see a lot of the ball.  But absolutely toothless the last two games, where the onus was on us to attack.  Wood looked horrendously isolated for most of that game Saturday. 

 

 

Edited January 17, 2022 by Lush Vlad

[TRon]

3 hours ago, arnonel said:

Also dont understand Shelvey in his role. 
He is one of the best passers in the league, but is being used in DM role playing short simple passes.
If he is going to be used in the team, at least use his strengths and try negate the weaknesses

 

 

 

I think he's played deep so he doesn't have to run much. We've seen when he gets caught up the pitch he ends up fouling or pulling players down because he knows there's no way he's catching them. It was the same with Colback. 

[Lush Vlad]

7 minutes ago, ManDoon said:

I personally would go for a mid 3 of Shelvey/Staff sitting. And willock (yea I know but he can score we’ve seem that) in the ten. 

 

I'm not against that.  Willock back in a more favourable role might see him contribute, who knows.  We certainly need someone closer to the striker.  

 

I think I'd even look at Hendrick in the midfield 2 now.  It's that desperate    I think Shelvey and Longstaff are starting under Howe, regardless.  We need at least one new CM in this window, or we're certainly going down, I reckon.  Even two new CB's wouldn't change my mind. 

[Smal]

18 minutes ago, ManDoon said:

I personally would go for a mid 3 of Shelvey/Staff sitting. And willock (yea I know but he can score we’ve seem that) in the ten. 

Yeah, although I think I would play Almiron instead of Willock to be honest. Willock looks like someone who's having real problems to me. Maybe being away from home has affected him, I dunno. 

 

Longstaff - Shelvey

Fraser - Almiron - ASM

Wood

The midfield isn't great, but if we have two sitters and Miggy's running we really should be harder to play through.

 

Edit: I've forgotten Joelinton. No idea where he fits in here mind. 

 

 

Edited January 17, 2022 by Smal

[Shadow Puppets]

Hang on, why is everyone leaving out our best player (minus Trippier) from these line ups?

[Smal]

Maybe big Jo is a tactical enough player to be able to play as part of a pivot, I dunno. I somehow forgot about him. He's surprised everyone by being able to play as a mid so he probably could. 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

I do think Joelinton should be primarily an attacking player, with the ability to win the ball back high like Ayoze. But we would need another two CMs who could cope behind him. 

[LFEE]

3 minutes ago, ManDoon said:

He might work really well in that almost 10 role, he’s got a very good pass on him, reads the game well 

It’s took 2 1/2 seasons to finally find his best position and you want to move him? ?

[TRon]

19 minutes ago, Smal said:

Yeah, although I think I would play Almiron instead of Willock to be honest. Willock looks like someone who's having real problems to me. Maybe being away from home has affected him, I dunno. 

 

Longstaff - Shelvey

Fraser - Almiron - ASM

Wood

The midfield isn't great, but if we have two sitters and Miggy's running we really should be harder to play through.

 

Edit: I've forgotten Joelinton. No idea where he fits in here mind. 

 

 

 

 

You've got Almiron in there, I'd have him nowhere near the team, never mind ahead of Joelinton. 

[mofo]

Is Jones still knocking around? I've not noticed him of late??