Eddie Howe

[1964]

11 hours ago, Superior Acuña said:

 

 

ffs man

 

was about to say needs Captain Tom then saw Diana in the thread 

 

 

And anyone know the origin of 'you'll do for me bonny lad'?

 

 

 

Fuck me I thought it was Anthony Gordon on a night out with Calvert-Lewin

[jack j]

Starting to wish Southampton had beat us now

[Shays Given Tim Flowers]

To be honest, looking at the statues outside the ground I’m not sure those not so venerated are missing out on much. 

[Holmesy]

SBR was one of the last true gentlemen left in what was becoming an increasingly toxic sport. He carried himself with unbreakable dignity and earned the respect of everyone as a result. Marry that with an amazing managerial record at some of the biggest clubs in world football. He was a one-off. Eddie is very similar in the way he carries himself but he doesn't have the personality of SBR and can't quite match his record...yet.

Under Keegan, I think it was more the football we played that people warmed to rather than Keegan himself. We loved him but other fans didn't have that affection or respect for him. 

[geordie_b]

These flags need more poppys, Lest we forget and/or fallen soldier silouettes. 

[The Prophet]

8 minutes ago, jack j said:

Starting to wish Southampton had beat us now

 

This is why we can't have nice things.

[Kid Icarus]

I loved owt like that when I was a kid like. I had the NUFC cushions and mini strip in my dad's car, the St George's flag up at my window during Euro '96, the lot. Some adults don't seem to have gone through the 'everything is cringe' phase of being a teenager though.

[NE27]

All for monty magpie though! 

[TheBrownBottle]

2 hours ago, Holmesy said:

SBR was one of the last true gentlemen left in what was becoming an increasingly toxic sport. He carried himself with unbreakable dignity and earned the respect of everyone as a result. Marry that with an amazing managerial record at some of the biggest clubs in world football. He was a one-off. Eddie is very similar in the way he carries himself but he doesn't have the personality of SBR and can't quite match his record...yet.

Under Keegan, I think it was more the football we played that people warmed to rather than Keegan himself. We loved him but other fans didn't have that affection or respect for him. 

Hmm, you sure about that?  English football’s biggest superstar of the ‘70s wasn’t loved or popular nationally?

[kingxlnc]

Keegan definitely needs to get honoured in some way. Long long long overdue. 

People are immortalised for a lot less than he’s achieved here. Gave his heart and soul to the club and it was built in his image more than any one.

[80]

No disputes about Keegan, but Robson consolidated the club in footballing memory as the sleeping giant. Half the foreign supporters in this forum started following us during his reign or while his team hadn't yet been dismantled. I think it's easy to forget how dark things were after Dalglish and Gullit.

 

Robson re-stirred the pot and made NUFC mean something to a full generation of people Eddie Howe's age rather than being a 3 year flash in the pan that happened while John Major was Prime Minister and amounted to as much as O'Leary and Ridsdale's Leeds.

 

Without him, the best case scenario could have been having all the attraction and global respect of Everton. Which isn't very much even though they were multiple title winners not all that long before Keegan came here. And mirroring Sunderland's path was just as possible. Amanda and Mehrdad didn't fancy those investments, strangely.

[OCOCOL]

6 hours ago, Kid Icarus said:

I have to agree like. He's more of a social figure that's attached to the area and the personification of who we like to think of ourselves and the club as. It's nice that he has a statue, but it's also mad that at the same time Joe Harvey gets a plaque and Kevin Keegan has nothing. 

100% agree. I’d also honour David Kelly in some way. If he didn’t score that goal v Portsmouth then it’s not worth thinking about where we’d be. 
 

How Joe Harvey has nothing as the last manager to win anything is also a head scratcher. 

[TheBrownBottle]

5 hours ago, 80 said:

No disputes about Keegan, but Robson consolidated the club in footballing memory as the sleeping giant. Half the foreign supporters in this forum started following us during his reign or while his team hadn't yet been dismantled. I think it's easy to forget how dark things were after Dalglish and Gullit.

 

Robson re-stirred the pot and made NUFC mean something to a full generation of people Eddie Howe's age rather than being a 3 year flash in the pan that happened while John Major was Prime Minister and amounted to as much as O'Leary and Ridsdale's Leeds.

 

Without him, the best case scenario could have been having all the attraction and global respect of Everton. Which isn't very much even though they were multiple title winners not all that long before Keegan came here. And mirroring Sunderland's path was just as possible. Amanda and Mehrdad didn't fancy those investments, strangely.

I’m just about Eddie Howe’s age.  Robson took over two years after Keegan left - it’s hardly a massive gap between the two.  Dalglish and Gullit did poor jobs, but the club had huge spending power and plenty of talented players to build upon.  The notion of KK being a ‘three year flash in the pan’ is ludicrous - it was five years, for a start - and Robson’s best period literally covered three years. 
 

And I’d argue that NUFC roughly has the global levels of respect of Everton or Leeds.

 

The ground was rebuilt before Robson arrived.  This is the club Keegan built.  Robson did a good job for about three years.  

[Holmesy]

8 hours ago, TheBrownBottle said:

Hmm, you sure about that?  English football’s biggest superstar of the ‘70s wasn’t loved or popular nationally?

As soon as you start managing a football club, it’s polarises you to an extent. He was loved as a player but once he turned us into a team challenging the status quo, he became a target for rival fans and the media. Towards the end, the masses were practically willing him to fail. SBR transcended that 

[80]

45 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

I’m just about Eddie Howe’s age.  Robson took over two years after Keegan left - it’s hardly a massive gap between the two.  Dalglish and Gullit did poor jobs, but the club had huge spending power and plenty of talented players to build upon.  The notion of KK being a ‘three year flash in the pan’ is ludicrous - it was five years, for a start - and Robson’s best period literally covered three years. 
 

And I’d argue that NUFC roughly has the global levels of respect of Everton or Leeds.

 

The ground was rebuilt before Robson arrived.  This is the club Keegan built.  Robson did a good job for about three years.  

Re: flash in the pan, I'm talking from an outsider's perspective. Yes, it was only two years between Keegan and Robson, and yet we'd absolutely clattered down in that time, the board wasn't feeling wealthy post-floatation, and history was already starting to be rewritten about our 'natural place' etc. If Robson hadn't come, we could well have ended up with a different anti-Gullit who 'knew the area' like Brian Little. And we certainly wouldn't have remained one of the richest clubs in the world for long.

 

They both had not massively long reigns, but combined (along with the hiccup) it made for 12 years of being a real domestic and European force that couldn't be denied despite the lack of trophies. I'm arguing each legacy has been strengthened by the other.

 

Maybe I'm biased, but I strongly disagree about Everton and Leeds. Not about the size or potential of the clubs, but how evocative they are to outsiders. Everton especially suffers in the same way we'd be held back if we were Benwell FC. Ashley has hurt us massively, but it would be that much worse if the last time we did anything of note pre-him was 1996 rather than 2005, during which time there was such commercial growth in the game.

 

Again, as I say, no dispute about Keegan's importance. It's just that it's so obvious to me it hardly needs me to add to the chorus. Without him, Robson probably wouldn't have come in 99 and wouldn't have been able to do what he did even if he had. But I find the rewriting of Robson as being a good hand for 3 years who happened to be local weird - particularly considering the abjectness of the board he was working for at the time.

[TheBrownBottle]

1 hour ago, 80 said:

Re: flash in the pan, I'm talking from an outsider's perspective. Yes, it was only two years between Keegan and Robson, and yet we'd absolutely clattered down in that time, the board wasn't feeling wealthy post-floatation, and history was already starting to be rewritten about our 'natural place' etc. If Robson hadn't come, we could well have ended up with a different anti-Gullit who 'knew the area' like Brian Little. And we certainly wouldn't have remained one of the richest clubs in the world for long.

 

They both had not massively long reigns, but combined (along with the hiccup) it made for 12 years of being a real domestic and European force that couldn't be denied despite the lack of trophies. I'm arguing each legacy has been strengthened by the other.

 

Maybe I'm biased, but I strongly disagree about Everton and Leeds. Not about the size or potential of the clubs, but how evocative they are to outsiders. Everton especially suffers in the same way we'd be held back if we were Benwell FC. Ashley has hurt us massively, but it would be that much worse if the last time we did anything of note pre-him was 1996 rather than 2005, during which time there was such commercial growth in the game.

 

Again, as I say, no dispute about Keegan's importance. It's just that it's so obvious to me it hardly needs me to add to the chorus. Without him, Robson probably wouldn't have come in 99 and wouldn't have been able to do what he did even if he had. But I find the rewriting of Robson as being a good hand for 3 years who happened to be local weird - particularly considering the abjectness of the board he was working for at the time.

Fair enough - but to the last point you raise - he wasn’t starting with a ramshackle club facing financial oblivion and relegation to the Third Division.  He was taking on a team with talented players, bottom of the top division after a handful of games due to mismanagement, in the process of extending the ground to being the second biggest in the country and comfortably one of Europe’s richest clubs.  He did a really good job at Newcastle.  Keegan did an unbelievable job at Newcastle.

[Mountain]

9 hours ago, 80 said:

No disputes about Keegan, but Robson consolidated the club in footballing memory as the sleeping giant. Half the foreign supporters in this forum started following us during his reign or while his team hadn't yet been dismantled. I think it's easy to forget how dark things were after Dalglish and Gullit.

 

Robson re-stirred the pot and made NUFC mean something to a full generation of people Eddie Howe's age rather than being a 3 year flash in the pan that happened while John Major was Prime Minister and amounted to as much as O'Leary and Ridsdale's Leeds.

 

Without him, the best case scenario could have been having all the attraction and global respect of Everton. Which isn't very much even though they were multiple title winners not all that long before Keegan came here. And mirroring Sunderland's path was just as possible. Amanda and Mehrdad didn't fancy those investments, strangely.

 

I love Bobby Robson but he never took us to a final.

 

Eddie has.

 

We really need to focus on what Eddie has done and not keep looking to the past.

[80]

4 hours ago, Mountain said:

 

I love Bobby Robson but he never took us to a final.

 

Eddie has.

 

We really need to focus on what Eddie has done and not keep looking to the past.

Don't really disagree with that. Especially as it can often be counter productive. Eddie has got the handing if the "how many years without a trophy?!" stuff spot on, and avoided it becoming a monkey on our back so far.

[80]

8 hours ago, TheBrownBottle said:

Fair enough - but to the last point you raise - he wasn’t starting with a ramshackle club facing financial oblivion and relegation to the Third Division.  He was taking on a team with talented players, bottom of the top division after a handful of games due to mismanagement, in the process of extending the ground to being the second biggest in the country and comfortably one of Europe’s richest clubs.  He did a really good job at Newcastle.  Keegan did an unbelievable job at Newcastle.

Definitely, Keegan's contribution was miraculous, and you couldn't use the same word for Robson's time.

 

To be blunt and ugly though, in terms of reputation, Robson's passing was also well timed, in terms of how he's thought of. Also, the dignity with which he handled his time after leaving here - even though he no longer worked here he was one of the increasingly few dignified things about the club for the following 5 years. That's part of why he's been sanctified, but that's just how humans make sense of the world.

 

In contrast, and to be clear I don't blame him for this, Keegan pretty much disappeared after each time he left the club. Re: statues of him not having happened yet, it's the old phrase, he's lived too long. If something more tragic had happened, his reputation would be Busby Babe-esque. Thankfully he enjoys his retirement playing golf in Spain and what have you.

 

 

Edited February 9, 2023 by 80

[Wilson]

https://www.skysports.com/football/story-telling/11095/12805420/the-evolution-of-eddie-howe-the-newcastle-managers-rise-examined-as-he-returns-to-bournemouth

 

[Aiston]

Dare criticise him even a little?

 

Dropped points against against Leeds, Palace, West Ham and Bournemouth, 4 of the worst teams in form.

 

Poor transfer window hasn't helped him at all mind.

[gbandit]

He’ll be desperate to sort this out but I wonder whether some of the players are just absolutely spent. Most of the squad play huge minutes and there’s no squad rotation game to game. He’s got few options to change things really 

[The Butcher]

Feel for him. The board failed badly this Jan. 

[Vinny Green Balls]

1 minute ago, Aiston said:

Dare criticise him even a little?

 

Dropped points against against Leeds, Palace, West Ham and Bournemouth, 4 of the worst teams in form.

 

Poor transfer window hasn't helped him at all mind.

 criticize a little...you consistently fly off the handle with every damnthing.

[Aiston]

Just now, Vinny Green Balls said:

 criticize a little...you consistently fly off the handle with every damnthing.

 

I criticise a team dropping points against 4 of the worst in form teams in the league....