Eddie Howe

[Joe1984]

2 minutes ago, OoOGazOoO said:

End of scale - Howe sacked

 

Other end of scale - Performance was good.

 

The middle ground is probably where we need to be with our thoughts.

 

 

 

The performance was most definetly not good. Save Dubravka.

[Wandy]

8 minutes ago, LiquidAK said:

Feels like the majority of the two "sides" are fighting about things that aren't happening

 

A very small minority are calling for Howe to be sacked.

A very small minority are saying you can't have any criticism of the manager.

 

Neither of these views are that widespread from what I can see.

 

There's not a single person on this thread that has said he should be sacked. Not now, or any time soon.

[Hanshithispantz]

4 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

 

Thing is though pre injuries and last season he did mix it up. Maybe not perfectly, he'd sometimes make subs late and risk big players (like Bruno at Sheff Wed)

 

But these injuries are unprecedented like. I dunno how you approach it short of throwing some matches to win others.

I sort of tongue in cheek said this before like, that in hindsight his best option was to throw a match or two (which absolutely would not be accepted by the "he MUST do better" crowd ).

 

Honestly struggling see what other options there were, changing one or two players is negligible as something I haven't seen talked about much is that we've likely had to dial everything back, from application in training to our pressing on field to avoid further injuries.

 

Trippiers individual errors cost us a few games, but it's a stretch to put that down as a major mark on Howe given how much he gives us on the ball, even during times like this.

[madras]

Just now, Displayname said:

I mean him being overreliant on and running certain players to the ground is one of, if not the main criticism he gets.

 

Gordon may have been the best pick for every individual game we have had. But looking at the bigger picture we would have been better off if he would have gotten some rest. 

 

 

Looking at the bigger picture.........(hindsight).

[Yorkie]

1 minute ago, Wandy said:

 

The very fact that you accused me of being "entitled" for daring to have an opinion on a football forum is a glaring example of your gaslighting. Go and look it up before making your next post.

 

Come on man, gaslight chat is daft. 'Disgrace' is so unnecessarily loaded and synonymous with total incompetence and halfarsedery, and that's not what happened. They don't deserve that. 

 

A disgrace is making no attempt to win the game. As it happened we were in it, despite the flow of the game, until the whatever'th minute it was.

 

If by 'disgrace' you just mean your bog-standard 'shit' or whatever then this is basically a misunderstanding. 

[Irish Magpie]

I can't believe any Newcastle fan is even questioning Howe right now. Liverpool are the best team in the league RIGHT NOW, no doubt about that.

 

OMG!, we lost. Grow a set of balls. 2 years ago we were all apathetic about any game, win or lose, and most of them were losses! We had an owner that was as commited to the club as a (fuck knows, analogy falls short).

 

Our entire team is decimated through injuries and fatigue, they are not robots that you can just recharge at a filling station. The losses against Forest and Luton felt far worse than what happened today and I put that down to mental health. Going out of the Champions League to a dodgy penalty is a real kick in the nuts for anyone to recover from. This team WILL get stronger.

 

He turned us around from perennial no-hopers to a team with belief, now he's not good enough? Take your heads for a shit.

 

That's it!

[Ikon]

It’s ok to question things. But not calling for his head imo. Massive difference. I question quite a few things that have been poor from him imo. 

 

 

Edited January 1 by Ikon

[Displayname]

1 minute ago, madras said:

Looking at the bigger picture.........(hindsight).

Nah, i have called this shit happening early on.

[LiquidAK]

Just now, Dokko said:

 

Yes, I'm glad he's still here but he is the reason we are where we are, both now and last season. He ran a small team of overachieving players into the ground and it worked as we were lucky with injuries.

 

This season we've had more games, but only 6. It hasn't merited the talk of not being able to train for 4 months. Do other CL teams not train anymore? You could argue villas schedule is worse playing on a Thursday night, but their manager has European experience and knows the need to rotate. We've been very unlucky this season with injuries, but his demands of players, lack of rotation and late subs cannot work with added games and injuries, but he's decided to not change a thing. Just keep going in hope he gets a break. You can't plan for injuries, but when they happen you need to rotate your way out of it. This is when new or young players are thrown into the deep end and it's sink or swim. Hall should have had 5 or 10 starts now and he on his was to being a squad player. He costs us points by playing? Well what are we protecting with all these losses?

 

It's not good enough at this level and I expected more from him and sad to see it come to this. I had no doubt he'd adapt to all that was this season, but it's continue on and compound the issues to a point were now saying it'll get worse before it gets better shite and that a loss to the mackems should just be accepted. What the actual fuck? 

 

I saw all this defend the manager at all costs under pardew, as he landed 5th and had credit in the bank, I didn't buy it then and don't now. 

 

 

 

The not training has only been in December. Villa are playing part-timers and not Mbappe. Howe's "decisions" have been limited due to the freak injuries, which have meant he can't rotate. Can see the argument to just go with the young players anyway, he obviously has his reasons for not doing that, but can see your point.

 

Not good enough at this level is a silly statement. He's had his hands tied behind his back and some started getting antsy at a point where things were really just not that bad. Until the recent poor run in December we were right behind Man City - the poor run in December has come about due to the sheer number of games and not being able to train, and having no squad rotation possible.

 

Expectations have gotten out of control. January will be a nightmare due to the fixtures we've got, but judging him on this season so far is just wrong given the actual context. Give him a chance with an actual squad in the second half of the season - I'm confident we'll start climbing the table again.

 

Comparing him to Pardew is honestly not worth discussing - most people could see he was bailed out by great players and it wouldn't be sustainable, this is just not the same in any way.

 

I know you feel strongly about this and feel like you're being shut down, I feel equally as strongly that you're way off of the mark and have tried to go through each of your points respectfully. 

 

I'm going to bed

 

[RS]

Anyone who is seriously thinking he’s e no good is deluded. Have you seen what he’s working with?  Almiron? Waste of space. Longstaff?  Will end up at Gateshead.  This is one hellof a journey and at the minute he can only piss with the cock he has got. Patience is the key. 

 

 

Edited January 1 by RS

[LiquidAK]

6 minutes ago, Ronaldo said:

Who?

Lad with a Sven Botman Terminator avatar - don't remember the name but he had said that it was time for Howe to go a few weeks ago. There have been others too, but I don't keep a dossier.

 

 

Edited January 1 by LiquidAK

[Dokko]

1 minute ago, LiquidAK said:

 

The not training has only been in December. Villa are playing part-timers and not Mbappe. Howe's "decisions" have been limited due to the freak injuries, which have meant he can't rotate. Can see the argument to just go with the young players anyway, he obviously has his reasons for not doing that, but can see your point.

 

Not good enough at this level is a silly statement. He's had his hands tied behind his back and some started getting antsy at a point where things were really just not that bad. Until the recent poor run in December we were right behind Man City - the poor run in December has come about due to the sheer number of games and not being able to train, and having no squad rotation possible.

 

Expectations have gotten out of control. January will be a nightmare due to the fixtures we've got, but judging him on this season so far is just wrong given the actual context. Give him a chance with an actual squad in the second half of the season - I'm confident we'll start climbing the table again.

 

Comparing him to Pardew is honestly not worth discussing - most people could see he was bailed out by great players and it wouldn't be sustainable, this is just not the same in any way.

 

I know you feel strongly about this and feel like you're being shut down, I feel equally as strongly that you're way off of the mark and have tried to go through each of your points respectfully. 

 

I'm going to bed

 

 

I'm not comparing him to pardew, but the way people will dig in and not have anything bad said was the comparison. Any other, put words in the mouth of someone to discredit their opinion.

[HaydnNUFC]

2 minutes ago, Dokko said:

 

Yes, I'm glad he's still here but he is the reason we are where we are, both now and last season. He ran a small team of overachieving players into the ground and it worked as we were lucky with injuries.

 

This season we've had more games, but only 6. It hasn't merited the talk of not being able to train for 4 months. Do other CL teams not train anymore? You could argue villas schedule is worse playing on a Thursday night, but their manager has European experience and knows the need to rotate. We've been very unlucky this season with injuries, but his demands of players, lack of rotation and late subs cannot work with added games and injuries, but he's decided to not change a thing. Just keep going in hope he gets a break. You can't plan for injuries, but when they happen you need to rotate your way out of it. This is when new or young players are thrown into the deep end and it's sink or swim. Hall should have had 5 or 10 starts now and he on his was to being a squad player. He costs us points by playing? Well what are we protecting with all these losses?

 

It's not good enough at this level and I expected more from him and sad to see it come to this. I had no doubt he'd adapt to all that was this season, but it's continue on and compound the issues to a point were now saying it'll get worse before it gets better shite and that a loss to the mackems should just be accepted. What the actual fuck? 

 

I saw all this defend the manager at all costs under pardew, as he landed 5th and had credit in the bank, I didn't buy it then and don't now. 

 

 

 

Howeh, its mendacious to suggest our success last season was solely Howe running players into the ground and getting lucky with injuries. 

 

There's going to be a difference in intensity between playing Zrinjski, Legia Warsaw & AZ Alkmaar and playing PSG, Dortmund and Milan, like. The difference in quality of teams in the Conference League and the Champions League is polarising. I agree with possibly the thought of adjusting how we play or manage games slightly this season and reduce the intensity with the added games by signing first team ready players that look after the ball in midfield a lot more than our current lot can, which we didn't do in the summer.

[nufc123]

Got nothing to do with Howe out or anything, but I cant understand why we are so utterly terrible in possession away from home again and again. Game after game. Sometimes it look like we havent kicked a ball before. 

[Wandy]

5 minutes ago, Yorkie said:

 

Come on man, gaslight chat is daft. 'Disgrace' is so unnecessarily loaded and synonymous with total incompetence and halfarsedery, and that's not what happened. They don't deserve that. 

 

A disgrace is making no attempt to win the game. As it happened we were in it, despite the flow of the game, until the whatever'th minute it was.

 

If by 'disgrace' you just mean your bog-standard 'shit' or whatever then this is basically a misunderstanding. 

 

That performance was utter rubbish. There were no redeeming features and nothing to take encouragement from.

 

The manager is doing a really poor job right now.

 

I don't want the manager to be sacked. Not now, not next week & not at any point in this season. Even if we lose again on Saturday in the derby.

 

Does that clarify things for you?

 

 

Edited January 1 by Wandy

[The College Dropout]

11 minutes ago, The Butcher said:

Wouldn't have a problem with that if it meant Gordon could get a rest.

 

It would just be common sense to give the absolute knackered players a rest, even if the quality drops.

 

Hall, Dummett, Ritchie, Krafth should all have played a decent amount of football over the last month, but they've hardly had a kick.

 

Playing the same knackered players every game has done us no good at al, quite the opposite in fact when you look at performances and results.

Aye. 
 

All of these have been given contract extensions or signed since the takeover. If they’re not going to play during an injury crisis and fixture congestion - why are they here?

[madras]

Just now, Wandy said:

 

That performance was utter rubbish. There were no redeeming features and nothing to take encouragement from.

 

The manager is doing a really poor job right now.

 

I don't want the manager to be sacked. Not now, not next week & not at any point in this season. Even if we lose again on Saturda in the derby.

 

Does that clarify things for you?

Mitigating circumstances?

[Kid Icarus]

7 minutes ago, Hanshithispantz said:

I sort of tongue in cheek said this before like, that in hindsight his best option was to throw a match or two (which absolutely would not be accepted by the "he MUST do better" crowd ).

 

Honestly struggling see what other options there were, changing one or two players is negligible as something I haven't seen talked about much is that we've likely had to dial everything back, from application in training to our pressing on field to avoid further injuries.

 

Trippiers individual errors cost us a few games, but it's a stretch to put that down as a major mark on Howe given how much he gives us on the ball, even during times like this.

 

This is exactly it. Line ups are announced and there are posts (rightly) saying 'that bench ', he brings on Ritchie and the summer recruitment is criticised, he doesn’t bring someone on and he's running players into the ground.

 

As far as I can see those are his options, and someone is going to criticise whichever one he opts for. But all of it does everything to ignore the context in which he's having to make these decisions. I don't get it, is it weak or loser-ish to blame injuries and fatigue even when it's this obvious? Starting to wonder whether Pardew conditioned us all to see every excuse as bullshit.

 

 

Edited January 1 by Kid Icarus

[Wandy]

Just now, madras said:

Mitigating circumstances?

 

None for me. Not for the level of performance. That was a Steve Bruce team out there.

[Dr.Spaceman]

1 minute ago, Wandy said:

 

That performance was utter rubbish. There were no redeeming features and nothing to take encouragement from.

 

The manager is doing a really poor job right now.

 

I don't want the manager to be sacked. Not now, not next week & not at any point in this season. Even if we lose again on Saturday in the derby.

 

Does that clarify things for you?

 

 

 

 

Martin Dubravka dislikes this.

[Colos Short and Curlies]

2 minutes ago, RS said:

Anyone who is seriously thinking he no good is deluded. Have you seen what he’s working with?  Almiron? Waste of space. Longstaff?  Will end up at Gateshead.  This is one hellof a journey and at the minute he can only piss with the cock he has got. Patience is the key. 

Almiron and Longstaff were part of a team that got us top 4, a cup final and a Tonkin of PSG.

 

if you can’t criticise Howe then you can’t criticise the players either. You could even flip it and argue that the players have made a fairly rudimentary playing style (all intensity and pressing) successful.

 

youd be wrong on both counts of course, plaudits are right for the past but questions are right for the future

[Wandy]

Just now, Dr.Spaceman said:

 

Martin Dubravka dislikes this.

 

Aye, fair one.

[andycap]

All this remember us under bruce stuff doesn't wash with me. Howe has been brilliant but he's been worryingly naive this year he's had all the praise for the job he's done so far but surely anyone can see we are flagging badly and he's stubborn with his ways basically going into games without a bench is what I feel he is doing and it's not helping our plight. I think a bit of criticism is valid. 

[Myleftboot]

Would love Eddie even more if he stopped Bruno doing what he wanted.

[Yorkie]

1 minute ago, Wandy said:

 

That performance was utter rubbish. There were no redeeming features and nothing to take encouragement from.

 

The manager is doing a really poor job right now.

 

I don't want the manager to be sacked. Not now, not next week & not at any point in this season. Even if we lose again on Saturday in the derby.

 

Does that clarify things for you?

 

Not really. I mean, I do disagree with your view (particularly re the manager) but I wouldn't have called you entitled if you'd only said the above. It was the use of the word 'disgrace', which I equate to you going on like you're owed something, which provoked me saying that.