Eddie Howe

[Doctor Zaius]

I'm behind Howe and I'm still backing him to turn it round, but I have some serious reservations. 

 

The first one is the tactical shift away from an intense pressing side. It hasn't worked and will he be able to fix it? Maybe, given time but it's not going to clock overnight. 

 

We need a clear vision in terms of transfers. Some of which could hand been foreseen, some of which is entirely his doing but the summer window has fucked us. Paul Mitchell must be creased. We need a balance between players who'll fit into a system and players who are a good deal. Can we imagine this version of Howe signing Bruno? A slow, technical midfielder with no PL experience. No chance. 

[LTA]

10 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

 

Stick to tennis. 

 

Great argument 

[Sir Joel Inton]

1 hour ago, The Prophet said:

 

There are multiple mitigating factors at play, but Howe is a manager who relies heavily on patterns of play and one-on-one coaching that usually has players performing above their accepted capability. 

 

This is second effort at managing a Champions League football, the first became a write off following injuries. He'll make mistakes, but some of us feel he should be afforded time to learn and adjust, particularly given the limitations of the squad. Far more successful managers, with far deeper squads have suffered the same struggles.

 

It is noticeable that a lot of the names put forward by fans who want him dismissed are also inexperienced in that regard. If you're advocating for change, surely you want experience of managing a Champions League campaign as a baseline?

 

That said, I'm not sure how in one breath we can talk about belittling the achievement of club legends, then on the next talk about "the only defence of Howe for those with their head in the sand" regarding the bloke who delivered the club it's first trophy in modern times, less than a year ago. The same geezer who was a penalty shootout away from guiding us to four semifinals in four seasons and will oversee our first ever Champions League knockout next week.

 

It's hard to tell if it's incredibly bad faith or just absolutely dense.

 

 

 

 

It’s fairly daft to call the first Champions League a write off due to injuries when actually we would have gone on to qualify if it wasn’t for a ridiculous refereeing decision. 

 

My main gripe is I’m not seeing any difference or any learning/adjustment. I’m seeing the same errors being made that have been prevalent for his entire time here. Even in the last week, what learning did he take from Trippier being embarrassed two games in a row, only to watch him be at fault for another 2 goals yesterday? 

 

He’s had two CL seasons and neither have been managed well and our league form has suffered considerably as a result. There may be multiple contributing factors but there are also very similar issues across both of those seasons that he is responsible for.

 

I don’t disagree that some of the names put about as a potential replacement are either untested (Iraola) or frankly outrageous (Mourinho). That’s why I’ve said on multiple occasions it may be the best decision will be to give Howe another crack at the whip, unless we are confident we can bring someone in we have the confidence will see progression with. That doesn’t mean putting him on hold or whatever idea was floated at me earlier, it’s just sensible ownership. No point sacking a good manager if you’re then scrambling around for weeks trying to find a replacement before getting desperate.

 

Howe’s time with us has been exceptional. He’s given us a trophy I never thought I would see in my lifetime and some of the most enjoyable moments I’ve ever had following the club. That’s why I am desperate for him to turn it around, or at least start displaying some green shoots, as he does not deserve his time to end on a negative note. However, I’m still not seeing anything to suggest that is likely to change.

 

There is lots more to it than that. The whole control/recruitment debate, working with DoFs etc. but those conversations have been done to death already and neither side will probably see the other viewpoint as both are mainly based on hearsay and speculation rather than evidence.

[Kilcline]

44 minutes ago, HaydnNUFC said:

What’s riled me well and proper is him manufacturing false narratives that will do nothing but help perpetuate the deluded Geordie myth in a national newspaper whilst supposedly being a journalist that covers NUFC. He can truly get to fuck.

And yet in the next presser it'll be "Eddie fans are saying this....." 

[Chicken Dancer]

It’s the performances for me. I don’t want to go on and on as I’ve said it numerous times now but we’ve played well a handful of times all season. We’ve became really boring and dull to watch.

 

If we’d lost 2-3 yesterday in a basketball game, as disappointing as it would be at least I’d feel fairly entertained. But we’re just a hard watch.

 

Not sure why or how it’s happened.

[CallumG6]

Baldwards is such a cunt 

[Mattoon]

2 minutes ago, Chicken Dancer said:

It’s the performances for me. I don’t want to go on and on as I’ve said it numerous times now but we’ve played well a handful of times all season. We’ve became really boring and dull to watch.

 

If we’d lost 2-3 yesterday in a basketball game, as disappointing as it would be at least I’d feel fairly entertained. But we’re just a hard watch.

 

Not sure why or how it’s happened.

 

Loose defensively, soft in midfield and impotent in attack, occasionally we have some prime-barcelona-esque build up play, only to fluff it in the final third, get cut to shreds on the counter and the opposition to score with their first meaningful shot.

 

Its boring, dull and worst of all predictable. There are fundamental issues with the entire setup and personnel and I won't pretend to know the answer, do we need to tweak it until it works or ring wholesale changes through and scrap everything we know? Howe needs some serious time with his players on the training pitch and that won't happen until we're out of the running for everything.

 

Its gonna be a really, really tough few weeks, not only results and performance-wise, but physically and psychologically on the players too. I just hope we all stick together whatever happens because lose to the Scum at home and I think it could get vitriolic.

[Abacus]

33 minutes ago, Sir Joel Inton said:

 

It’s fairly daft to call the first Champions League a write off due to injuries when actually we would have gone on to qualify if it wasn’t for a ridiculous refereeing decision. 

 

My main gripe is I’m not seeing any difference or any learning/adjustment. I’m seeing the same errors being made that have been prevalent for his entire time here. Even in the last week, what learning did he take from Trippier being embarrassed two games in a row, only to watch him be at fault for another 2 goals yesterday? 

 

He’s had two CL seasons and neither have been managed well and our league form has suffered considerably as a result. There may be multiple contributing factors but there are also very similar issues across both of those seasons that he is responsible for.

 

I don’t disagree that some of the names put about as a potential replacement are either untested (Iraola) or frankly outrageous (Mourinho). That’s why I’ve said on multiple occasions it may be the best decision will be to give Howe another crack at the whip, unless we are confident we can bring someone in we have the confidence will see progression with. That doesn’t mean putting him on hold or whatever idea was floated at me earlier, it’s just sensible ownership. No point sacking a good manager if you’re then scrambling around for weeks trying to find a replacement before getting desperate.

 

Howe’s time with us has been exceptional. He’s given us a trophy I never thought I would see in my lifetime and some of the most enjoyable moments I’ve ever had following the club. That’s why I am desperate for him to turn it around, or at least start displaying some green shoots, as he does not deserve his time to end on a negative note. However, I’m still not seeing anything to suggest that is likely to change.

 

There is lots more to it than that. The whole control/recruitment debate, working with DoFs etc. but those conversations have been done to death already and neither side will probably see the other viewpoint as both are mainly based on hearsay and speculation rather than evidence.

 

Just say Howe out.

 

[Kid Icarus]

44 minutes ago, LTA said:

 

Great argument 

Present one that isn't stuff you've made up and you might get a response that isn't dismissive.

[Yorkie]

22 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

Present one that isn't stuff you've made up and you might get a response that isn't dismissive.

 

Binned. Cba. Signed up days ago just to spout shite and wind people up. No ta.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

49 minutes ago, CallumG6 said:

Baldwards is such a cunt 

I’d go further, he’s a nob. 

[LFEE]

3 hours ago, JT24 said:

Catastrophic is a wee bit dramatic, @LFEE. 

I think it would be 🤷🏼‍♂️ 

 

Never weaken a managers position. Especially a great one. Let him churn the players he needs to in the summer and go again.

[LionOfGosforth]

I recognize i'm glass half-full when it comes to Eddie. The sum total of highlights in my supporting life has been promotion in 84, the KK years and a couple of CL seasons. That's about it for nearly 50 years until Howe came along. He kept us up, drove us up the table playing brilliant, savage football with the added bonus of shit-housing everyone and pissing off the big teams, dismantling teams along the way, CL twice and then a cup win. Something I thought i'd never ever see. He did this inside 4 years from a starting point of no investment in over a decade. We were years behind everyone. No wonder i'm glass half full, I don't understand how you couldn't be.

 

This season has been hard though. After a rotten, desperate summer, the football finally got going, disrupted by stupid international friendlies right off the bat of course. It's been poor to bad, no argument really. We're poor in possession, the sparkle has largely disappeared, soft defensively, far too many goals conceded and we feel further away from the top 3 or 4 in terms of prospects than ever. So much context and nuance to it though and honestly, I just feel sad when I see EH defending another poor performance, shouldering most of the blame for every damn thing, unwilling to call out under-performing players because he knows better than to do that.

 

I think if we stand by him, support him properly, re-think things strategically, actually do something tangible to up the revenue to get closer to those higher up the chain, we can continue to build and write this season off as an expected plateau point.

 

Ultimately it comes down to this for me - If I knew of a coach who could come in, actually want to be at Newcastle, work with everyone at the club, work diligently within PSR/SCR, integrate himself with the city, spend perfectly and knit everything together with the cohesion and team spirit we've had for the bulk of the time EH has been here, i'd see the argument for change. I'm not suggesting we have EH here forever, his natural end will come and it might even be soon but until then, enough with the fucking negativity and get behind what he's built and wants to continue building.

 

 

Edited February 8 by LionOfGosforth

[Turnbull2000]

Unless we go on a catastrophic run of form, he deserves next season. Yeah, the signings were wank, but he was let down badly by those at the top with no DoF for getting on a year, and has to deal with potentially disillusioned purples who were sold an exciting project and have since realised it's not materialising any time soon, if at all.

 

 

Edited February 8 by Turnbull2000

[Andy84]

1 minute ago, Turnbull2000 said:

Unless we go on a catastrophic run of form, he deserves next season. Yeah, the signings were wank, but he's was let down badly by those at the top with no DoF for getting on a year, and has to deal with potentially disillusioned purples who were sold an exciting project and since realised it's not materialising any time soon, if at all.

Sums it up 

[TheBrownBottle]

4 hours ago, JT24 said:

Catastrophic is a wee bit dramatic, @LFEE. 

Baldwards is such a disingenuous cunt of a man.  Can’t he just fuck off to a different patch?  Using his position to spread lies about the support.  Cunt. 

[TheBrownBottle]

Local hacks need to stop being friends with the manager and get back to doing their fucking jobs.  

[Danh1]

1 minute ago, TheBrownBottle said:

Local hacks need to stop being friends with the manager and get back to doing their fucking jobs.  

Does feel like if Howe was replaced, the media wouldn’t give the new man much of a chance 

[TheBrownBottle]

2 minutes ago, Danh1 said:

Does feel like if Howe was replaced, the media wouldn’t give the new man much of a chance 

Most likely not.  Edwards seems to have forgotten his constant jibes at Benitez (probably because he didnt throw him a bone), while telling all of us we were stupid for wanting rid of Bruce. 

 

 

Edited February 8 by TheBrownBottle

[TRC]

1 minute ago, TheBrownBottle said:

Most likely not.  Edwards seems to have forgotten his constant jibes at Benitez (probably because he didnt throw him a bone), while telling all of us we were stupid for wanting rid of Bruce. 

 

 

 

Thats how it works, local journalists usually don’t like foreign coaches as they don’t give them much

[Whitley mag]

It would be good to see what he would do with some young talents like Kees Smit, Methalie and see we’ve also been linked with Bouaddi the 18yo midfielder from Lille.

 

These are the type of signings that are risky but probably represent our best chance of moving forward next summer.

 

A young exciting team feels like the re-boot we need, it’s all looking a bit flat and tired at the moment. 
 

I really don’t see what he’s got to lose by trying this approach and it’s very different to the Brighton model. We can supplement it with experienced pro’s and are big enough to keep the team together.

 

It’s to be hoped he can come back refreshed after the summer with new ideas. I think there’s some hurdles he needs to overcome in the run in to get there though, it might seem small time but there’s some home games coming up against the Mancs, Everton and that lot down the road, where he needs results to avoid a complete free fall.

 

 

 

 

Edited February 8 by Whitley mag

[PauloGeordio]

 

[toon25]

2 hours ago, LFEE said:

I think it would be 🤷🏼‍♂️ 

 

Never weaken a managers position. Especially a great one. Let him churn the players he needs to in the summer and go again.

 

Baldwards would like nothing more to see us put in shite performance after shite performance. It's oxygen (and clicks) for him, the cunt.

[TRon]

2 hours ago, LFEE said:

I think it would be 🤷🏼‍♂️ 

 

Never weaken a managers position. Especially a great one. Let him churn the players he needs to in the summer and go again.

 

 

I think this is what will happen. For all the suggestions he's had no support from the top, I think it's the opposite. He will get another go next season IMO, and get the chance to put things right. Hopefully Wilson will provide him with some younger legs - and crucially - he's brave enough to use them. 

[toontownman]

8 minutes ago, PauloGeordio said:

 

Moving SBR wasn't the wrong decision. The manner they did it and the person they replaced him with absolutely were.

 

SBR should have moved upstairs and been involved in his successor. Approached the right way with planning that might have been Mourinho. Although he was appointed at Chelsea a couple of months prior to SBR being sacked. 

 

No way SBR would have give his blessing to hiring Souness though.

 

Fast forward to now. Moving Howe out if things don't improve might not also be the wrong thing but that is all dependent on hiring the right successor. It can't be a gamble and must be an informed and clearly ambitious decision. Either way its a risk.