toon25 Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 I would also argue that he stumbled on solutions rather than actively seeking them out. Joelinton in CM, dropping Clark, Etc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 Not really sure what he's trying to do tbh. I said it yesterday as well, but how do you play a pressing game with Shelvey in your side? I desperately want him to succeed, but he's shown very few game management skills so far. Watford looked better organised than us tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 In hindsight maybe not the best choice for the situation we found ourselves in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheInfiniteOdyssey Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 2 minutes ago, xLiaaamx said: Worst thing is it sounded like the recruitment team were patting themselves on the back for Wood and have slowed down since then. But if Wood is the idea of what we need, then we're done anyway. Nickson should have been replaced as soon as we were taken over, his record is largely terrible. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanji Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 I really want him to do well but I’m truly questioning him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OoOGazOoO Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 Being completely honest, he was never the right man for the job, a lot of people knew that. Steve Bruce was one of the worst managers for us in my opinion, and I may be putting my neck on the chopping block here, but would results under Bruce have been any worse than what we have achieved with Howe? Given where we are in the table, results are what count, appreciate our performances have possibly improved a tad since Howe's arrival, but it's obvious he isn't the man to get us out of the crap predicament we find ourselves in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decky Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 3 minutes ago, TheInfiniteOdyssey said: Nickson should have been replaced as soon as we were taken over, his record is largely terrible. Probably wouldn't have replaced him by now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 18 minutes ago, Fantail Breeze said: 1 win in 10 under Howe, including games against; Watford, Norwich, Brentford, Cambridge and a depleted Leicester. Whatever way you dress it up, it’s not good enough. He needs to change something, what he’s trying to do is clearly not effective. God, when you put it like that it’s really quite desperately horrific Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ste Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 Think this will be the first time his position will start to be questioned by the new owners, and Staveley's too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Jinx Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 We were always going to be a mess until he got bodies in. The club didn’t do enough in the transfer market last week, we need defenders and a midfield or we’re down, simple as. The only thing I’ll say about Howe today, the second Lascelles looked like he was running in glue and their wingers were stretching us, he should have made that change. They sensed a weakness and went after it, he changed nothing at the back to compensate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 It's worrying© that we haven't seen any improvement in attack like. I was expecting it to be rocky with the squad we had but atleast expected us to see some goals. Not like 9 games of hanging on after Brentford. Seems to have limited control over some players too, imagine ASM trying to play like he did in the first half under Pep? He'd have been pasted all over in the dressing room. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hakka Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 I think the big issue is something I worried about before on here, which is Howe being right man at the wrong time. We''ve tried to take a side that's played defensive football for many years under their previous two managers in the Prem, and then at their lowest point during that time try to switch to front foot attacking football - it's just a such a glaring obvious sink or swim situation, and we are sinking without a doubt under Howe. We can blame individual errors, we can blame certain players, we can blame Ashley etc. - but Howe has come here believing he can get these lads beating people his way and it ain't working. We look more frail at the back and utterly clueless in the final third. New CB, CM and goal scorer ASAP, and ideally a left back. No more fucking around, over spend if you have to, but we can't allow any more time for the same players to keep playing. Spend what it takes to replace the utter negative losers in this squad with quality, because Howe doesn't have the time, and maybe not the coaching talent, to actually turn this around without them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionOfGosforth Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 2 minutes ago, Kanji said: I really want him to do well but I’m truly questioning him. Same. We need probably 6-8 more players but I don't think that's likely, January is a bastard of a window. I'm torn because he's an immensely likeable bloke and obviously has good ideas about how he wants us to play and they're laudable and light years ahead of Bruce. But the players just are not responding enough it seems. A losing mentality is ingrained in them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaqen Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 Looks like he's aged about 10 years in the last month I'm struggling to see what type of identity we are supposed to have. We look a bit more organised but the games still hinge on how much Maxi can do on his own. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 Brucey was winning those for a couple seasons. Rafa, Pardew too. he doesn’t have the nous or even the jamminess. I’m scared. Such a disappointment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheInfiniteOdyssey Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 1 minute ago, OoOGazOoO said: Being completely honest, he was never the right man for the job, a lot of people knew that. Steve Bruce was one of the worst managers for us in my opinion, and I may be putting my neck on the chopping block here, but would results under Bruce have been any worse than what we have achieved with Howe? Given where we are in the table, results are what count, appreciate our performances have possibly improved a tad since Howe's arrival, but it's obvious he isn't the man to get us out of the crap predicament we find ourselves in. I think we were ultimately going down under Bruce anyway, but feel we would have more points at this stage, we would have spawned another win from Brentford, Norwich or Watford at home. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geordie Ahmed Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 Not his players, they have shown they have an absolute pathetic and weak mentality Not going to judge Howe so soon, getting rid of him would be irrelevant. I don't think anyone saves us and I would trust him to get us promoted Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decky Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 I thought I'd want Howe even if we go down but if this continues for another month or two there's no chance he'll see the end of the season, and probably rightly so too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OoOGazOoO Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 1 minute ago, TheInfiniteOdyssey said: I think we were ultimately going down under Bruce anyway, but feel we would have more points at this stage, we would have spawned another win from Brentford, Norwich or Watford at home. Aye, we somehow rode our luck when Bruce was in-charge, and when you look at the games we have played as @Fantail Breeze points out, it looks horrific! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 Just now, Geordie Ahmed said: Not his players, they have shown they have an absolute pathetic and weak mentality Not going to judge Howe so soon, getting rid of him would be irrelevant. I don't think anyone saves us and I would trust him to get us promoted Not a chance I want him in that dugout if he takes us down tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 For all that Howe hasn't started well, I'm not having that we'd be better off under Bruce like we're in this mess because of him, his luck had clearly run out this year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robster Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 1 minute ago, TheInfiniteOdyssey said: I think we were ultimately going down under Bruce anyway, but feel we would have more points at this stage, we would have spawned another win from Brentford, Norwich or Watford at home. I sort of agree but maybe the start of this season suggested that Bruce's luck with those kinds of results had run out. I think we would have been very much rock bottom and cut adrift. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 I'm not making any decision on Howe until a couple of games after the window closes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 (edited) He should be demanding at least 1 midfielder asap. He's not to blame for how shite it is and it's really shite. Edited January 15, 2022 by neesy111 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mighty__mag Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 Just now, Andy said: For all that Howe hasn't started well, I'm not having that we'd be better off under Bruce like we're in this mess because of him, his luck had clearly run out this year. Has some fucking mutant actually claimed that. Fuck off ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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