Gallowgate Toon Posted February 12, 2023 Share Posted February 12, 2023 The judgment of the success of the January window will be closer to the end of the season. There's loads of football left to play. It was the same after summer, folks going on about not having enough in attack etc. We've taken a somewhat calculated risk, yes, but way too early to say if it's a failed gamble or not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
morpeth mag Posted February 12, 2023 Share Posted February 12, 2023 Selling Shelvey made sense for the club and player in the long term. I'm surprised we didn't bring someone in on loan and can only summise there was nobody better than Elliot Anderson. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LV Posted February 12, 2023 Share Posted February 12, 2023 6 minutes ago, Theregulars said: Firstly, stop saying he “begged”. It’s stupidly emotive. He politely asked and set out his case. Secondly, the fact he asked so late should support the argument that we should have said no. Too late to replace him. The manager himself has said it’s a big gamble and he’s not comfortable with it. Stop trying to excuse them - they’ve made a mistake and it’s plain as day. All parties involved have shown their inexperience. He did beg. Can’t find the article now but he pleaded to be let go. You don’t agree with the decision. That’s fine. But you appear to have taken it quite badly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theregulars Posted February 12, 2023 Share Posted February 12, 2023 7 minutes ago, LV said: Overly emotional? He said no at first and Jonjo begged him to be let go. That’s not an overly emotional response. You want to keep an unhappy player? Because that won’t work. He’d been here years and wanted to go. Right decision in my opinion and just unfortunately too late in the day to get a replacement of the calibre we want. Ok - where is it reported that Shelvey “begged”? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theregulars Posted February 12, 2023 Share Posted February 12, 2023 4 minutes ago, LV said: He did beg. Can’t find the article now but he pleaded to be let go. You don’t agree with the decision. That’s fine. But you appear to have taken it quite badly. You really love putting emotions and states of mind on people. It’s patronising and a very cheap way of debating. I haven’t “taken it badly”, I’m putting across my case that I think it’s a needless gamble in the prevailing circumstances. Im really happy for you to disagree, but stop swanning about telling people what they think or feel. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groundhog63 Posted February 12, 2023 Share Posted February 12, 2023 Hilarious knackers on here suggesting we'd be nailed on for a top 4 spot with an injured Shelvey on the bench ????? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theregulars Posted February 12, 2023 Share Posted February 12, 2023 Just now, Groundhog63 said: Hilarious knackers on here suggesting we'd be nailed on for a top 4 spot with an injured Shelvey on the bench ????? Again, nobody is saying that. They’re just saying that we need a squad, and him leaving leaves us with a shallower squad. Stop making things up to suit your lazy argument. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theregulars Posted February 12, 2023 Share Posted February 12, 2023 3 minutes ago, Theregulars said: Ok - where is it reported that Shelvey “begged”? @LVI have google searched it and some publications, including the Mail, did use the word “beg”. So I apologise - you have reason to think this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LV Posted February 12, 2023 Share Posted February 12, 2023 Just now, Theregulars said: @LVI have google searched it and some publications, including the Mail, did use the word “beg”. So I apologise - you have reason to think this. Thank you Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theregulars Posted February 12, 2023 Share Posted February 12, 2023 3 minutes ago, Groundhog63 said: Hilarious knackers on here suggesting we'd be nailed on for a top 4 spot with an injured Shelvey on the bench ????? I’d also add, he’s no longer injured! He played yesterday. Let’s try a different approach. With Bruno suspended and Willock injured, would you rather play Shelvey or Anderson? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
greydos Posted February 12, 2023 Share Posted February 12, 2023 58 minutes ago, STM said: Everything you say is correct apart from one thing.... long term. By keeping Shelvey (who begged to leave) and playing him, we would have triggered a contract extension. He was a player with no future at the club, on high wages and needed moved on. If losing Shelveys 100k? wages gives us even more wriggle room for signings in the summer, it was worth the gamble. Would Shelvey have seen us get top 4? I think it's hard to tell but IMO the owners (Ashworth) aren't going to make decisions based on that point. It wasn't even on the horizon at the start of the season and they won't change their plans and "gamble" on anything. The process is thought through and they won't budge from it, nor should they. We are only going in one direction, a moment of short term discomfort for long term success is well worth it. Should’ve kept Shelvey until the summer. If Howe’s any good at management he can explain that the club won’t hold up his dream move to Nott’s Forest in the summer and if they want him desperately we’ll still let him leave for no money even with a year left on his contract. So as far as I can see Shelvey going has nothing to do with FFP or preventing us buying players in the summer because of high wages. Also, Shelvey in the team last year had us achieving a points per game return that was top 4 level. It’s no answer to say Anderson is still here when Eddie won’t trust him to play CM at all Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted February 12, 2023 Share Posted February 12, 2023 5 minutes ago, greydos said: Should’ve kept Shelvey until the summer. If Howe’s any good at management he can explain that the club won’t hold up his dream move to Nott’s Forest in the summer and if they want him desperately we’ll still let him leave for no money even with a year left on his contract. So as far as I can see Shelvey going has nothing to do with FFP or preventing us buying players in the summer because of high wages. Also, Shelvey in the team last year had us achieving a points per game return that was top 4 level. It’s no answer to say Anderson is still here when Eddie won’t trust him to play CM at all Would Forest have wanted him in the Summer ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NWMag Posted February 12, 2023 Share Posted February 12, 2023 Before the season started our sim was top 10 with an outside chance of sneaking into 7th. As it stands it we have a decent chance at a top 4 finish, and we are highly likely to finish in the top 6. There may be decisions that we all disagree with but in the grand scheme of things are we going to over achieve this season? Yes. it’s like now, everyone is moaning because we’ve drew 5 from 6. But it was also not long ago we won 6 in a row. If those results were merged and a few of the draws were placed in between the wins I doubt we would see as much moaning, but the points tally would be the same. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
80 Posted February 12, 2023 Share Posted February 12, 2023 For the record - https://amp.theguardian.com/football/2023/feb/10/jonjo-shelvey-leaving-newcastle-was-hard-but-i-cant-say-i-regret-it "“He said he couldn’t let me go at first and then I sort of pleaded with him to let me go,” Shelvey says. “He said he would sleep on it but then he said he would only let me go if they could get one in. I said I needed to leave for a fresh start and put my points across, and the next day he pulled me, we had a little chat and he granted my wish. Eddie said he wouldn’t stand in the way of my happiness.”" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted February 12, 2023 Share Posted February 12, 2023 1 minute ago, 80 said: For the record - https://amp.theguardian.com/football/2023/feb/10/jonjo-shelvey-leaving-newcastle-was-hard-but-i-cant-say-i-regret-it "“He said he couldn’t let me go at first and then I sort of pleaded with him to let me go,” Shelvey says. “He said he would sleep on it but then he said he would only let me go if they could get one in. I said I needed to leave for a fresh start and put my points across, and the next day he pulled me, we had a little chat and he granted my wish. Eddie said he wouldn’t stand in the way of my happiness.”" This is important as well and may be forgotten or glossed over but how the club is perceived within the game, by players, agents, other clubs officials etc is very important in what we are building. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
54 Posted February 12, 2023 Share Posted February 12, 2023 3 minutes ago, 80 said: For the record - https://amp.theguardian.com/football/2023/feb/10/jonjo-shelvey-leaving-newcastle-was-hard-but-i-cant-say-i-regret-it "“He said he couldn’t let me go at first and then I sort of pleaded with him to let me go,” Shelvey says. “He said he would sleep on it but then he said he would only let me go if they could get one in. I said I needed to leave for a fresh start and put my points across, and the next day he pulled me, we had a little chat and he granted my wish. Eddie said he wouldn’t stand in the way of my happiness.”" How horrendous of us to try and look after our players, and treat them with respect. Will never catch on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted February 12, 2023 Share Posted February 12, 2023 1 hour ago, KingArthur said: In theory yes. But A) will he be fit B) if he plays and gets automatically new contract for like 80k/wk, that hinders our transfer dealings a bit next summer... He played for Forrest yesterday and they believe they've signed the bald Pirlo. Having an experienced Premier League backup CDM on 80k pw for a year seems fine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted February 12, 2023 Share Posted February 12, 2023 28 minutes ago, Groundhog63 said: Hilarious knackers on here suggesting we'd be nailed on for a top 4 spot with an injured Shelvey on the bench ????? Some serious strawmanning going on here Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bimpy474 Posted February 12, 2023 Share Posted February 12, 2023 We should have kept him, of course that's correct, looking at our CM numbers. However Eddie decided Shelvey's career and future were more important. I disagree with Eddie on the decision, but admire he's not so cold hearted to keep a player against their wishes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawalls Posted February 12, 2023 Share Posted February 12, 2023 Just now, Bimpy474 said: We should have kept him, of course that's correct, looking at our CM numbers. However Eddie decided Shelvey's career and future were more important. I disagree with Eddie on the decision, but admire he's not so cold hearted to keep a player against their wishes. I appear suppose that’s where I’m at but we did have a great run with him in the team last season and think he still would have been a good squad player. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bimpy474 Posted February 12, 2023 Share Posted February 12, 2023 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Gawalls said: I appear suppose that’s where I’m at but we did have a great run with him in the team last season and think he still would have been a good squad player. Yeah agree, we probably needed to add a CM even without letting Shelvey go, so we are very short in that area. Others players now have to step up, the team needed a freshen up, slight system tweak anyhoo. The Chance is there now to show that, and as Eddie has shown, you earn the shirt, you keep it. Edited February 12, 2023 by Bimpy474 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thumbheed Posted February 12, 2023 Share Posted February 12, 2023 I'd had no problem letting him go, but not getting a replacement in always seemed irresponsible to me. Same feelings with Wood. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toon25 Posted February 12, 2023 Share Posted February 12, 2023 He's an absolute miracle worker. Moving forward it would be nice to see strength in depth as I don't think a paper thin squad like ours can maintain the levels of intensity Eddie wants us to play over the course of an entire season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andycap Posted February 12, 2023 Share Posted February 12, 2023 Should of introduced young Anderson well before now. Now it looks like he's gonna be thrown in at the deep end. After barely playing any minutes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilson Posted February 12, 2023 Share Posted February 12, 2023 1 hour ago, Theregulars said: I’m criticising Howe, who said that he agreed to let Shelvey go. I think it was an overly-emotional decision from Howe. He should have stood firm, and politely declined the request. Pretty sure Howe was very reluctant to let him go and pretty sure he said that himself. Maybe, just maybe, it wasn't his decision? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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