Eddie Howe

[HaydnNUFC]

3 minutes ago, Dokko said:

That doesn’t really answer it though. People evaluating final outcomes when asking about what happened in the final outcome. 
 

I do think Haydn makes sense mind overall, but it’s unfair to assume that’s what the hang up is here in this case. 

 

It doesn't diminish the overall achievement at Bournemouth though. I'm of the opinion of it being far too simplistic to look at it as 'well they went down, so why is he seen as so good?' That's another huge part at the 'look at the outcome, forget the context' thing in this country I was going on about. For example, take our beloved Rafa Benitez. Before the Valencia job, he was sacked by Real Valladolid and Osasuna for poor runs, took Extremadura up to La Liga but went down following season before going up with Tenerife. Valencia, who had been in 2 Champions League finals running offered him the job. In his first interview after becoming Valencia manager he talks about him believing he has the tools to make Valencia improve.

 

Now think if that happened in this country. "hahahaha he got sacked twice last two times in La Liga, has been relegated, now he's coming into one of the biggest clubs in the league saying he's going to improve them?" That would be the mantra from fans, pundits, journalists alike. That is why Europe produces better managers than us more regularly, because this sort of thing is accepted. And it's similar sort of thing with Howe, 'he got relegated in his last season at Bournemouth now he thinks he's going to keep Newcastle up?' I'm annoyed at our owners for not sacking Bruce yet, but if the owners are able to identify a quality coaching job when they see one, which Howe at Bournemouth was, without looking at the results and back him, I'd be very pleased. In spite of Howe not being my first choice.

[The Prophet]

There was a recent article about the English outcome bias and German coaches, if I recall.

 

Other than his last season at Roma, I don't know loads about Fonseca. Does anyone have a good knowledge on his background?

[Dokko]

1 minute ago, HaydnNUFC said:

 

It doesn't diminish the overall achievement at Bournemouth though. I'm of the opinion of it being far too simplistic to look at it as 'well they went down, so why is he seen as so good?' That's another huge part at the 'look at the outcome, forget the context' thing in this country I was going on about. For example, take our beloved Rafa Benitez. Before the Valencia job, he was sacked by Real Valladolid and Osasuna for poor runs, took Extremadura up to La Liga but went down following season before going up with Tenerife. Valencia, who had been in 2 Champions League finals running offered him the job. In his first interview after becoming Valencia manager he talks about him believing he has the tools to make Valencia improve.

 

Now think if that happened in this country. "hahahaha he got sacked twice last two times in La Liga, has been relegated, now he's coming into one of the biggest clubs in the league saying he's going to improve them?" That would be the mantra from fans, pundits, journalists alike. That is why Europe produces better managers than us more regularly, because this sort of thing is accepted. And it's similar sort of thing with Howe, 'he got relegated in his last season at Bournemouth now he thinks he's going to keep Newcastle up?' I'm annoyed at our owners for not sacking Bruce yet, but if the owners are able to identify a quality coaching job when they see one, which Howe at Bournemouth was, without looking at the results and back him, I'd be very pleased. In spite of Howe not being my first choice.

Can’t argue with any of that. Howe isn’t my 1st choice, however I’m more interested in an actual plan/type of manager which fits in an overall bigger picture (sd & dof) and it seems that’s what is happening with the 3 final candidates if the source is to be believed. Your point on judging managers on a moment in time for say a relegation is fine, equally I think it’s important to point out when a manager has been backed handsomely then history writes it as some kind of miracle work. I’m actually of the opinion Howe is an unknown rather than a definitive, and his next role will define him more than any other. Same as the other 2 guys for unknown but  that is simply down to league experience though if I was given a choice I’d lean towards them as their achievements for me have been more impressive. 

[KaKa]

5 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

There was a recent article about the English outcome bias and German coaches, if I recall.

 

Other than his last season at Roma, I don't know loads about Fonseca. Does anyone have a good knowledge on his background?

 

This was posted by someone earlier:- http://outsideoftheboot.com/2020/05/28/tactical-philosophy-paulo-fonseca/

[HaydnNUFC]

1 minute ago, Dokko said:

Can’t argue with any of that. Howe isn’t my 1st choice, however I’m more interested in an actual plan/type of manager which fits in an overall bigger picture (sd & dof) and it seems that’s what is happening with the 3 final candidates if the source is to be believed. Your point on judging managers on a moment in time for say a relegation is fine, equally I think it’s important to point out when a manager has been backed handsomely then history writes it as some kind of miracle work. I’m actually of the opinion Howe is an unknown rather than a definitive, and his next role will define him more than any other. Same as the other 2 guys for unknown but  that is simply down to league experience though if I was given a choice I’d lean towards them as their achievements for me have been more impressive. 

 

That's fair.  Howe was backed with a decent wedge at times but I think the size of Bournemouth may have meant that they'd have had to fork out extra cash for the players they could get. Just a theory though. I think you're right that Howe's next role will define him, a bit like Rodgers' role at Leicester when he left Celtic which was always going to define him. Now he's seen as one of the best managers in the league and rightly so. I also agree with leaning towards Fonseca and Favre rather than Howe but that's just because the unknown excites me.

[Guest]

1 hour ago, The Prophet said:

 

That's what circa £40 million season on average?

 

I agree he made some awful buys, but overall he did a fair job.

 

I don't think he'll be in contention so we don't need to worry about it.

£40m a year to add to what was a Championship/League One squad. It’s a cracking achievement. Also need to factor in that a lot of Premier League clubs would have also spent at least that, and it’s unfair to go on about net spend when like I’ve mentioned it was a Championship/League 1 squad he had to begin with.

[xLiaaamx]

Made players like Gosling look good enough at PL level.

[christ]

1 hour ago, 54 said:

https://www.90min.com/posts/newcastle-manager-shortlist-three-howe-fonseca-favre

 

Exclusive - Newcastle United's search for a new manager to replace Steve Bruce has narrowed down to three candidates.

90min understands that final interviews are taking place this week, and the names in the frame are Eddie Howe, Paulo Fonseca and Lucien Favre - all of whom held initial talks with the club last week.

Newcastle plan on having a new manager in place by this weekend, with the idea being that current boss Bruce is relieved of his duties before the game against Crystal Palace.

The Magpies had initially intended on sacking Bruce in their first week before appointing current number two Graeme Jones on an interim basis, but they have instead opted to get a new permanent boss in now.

The club's new owners are now all in the North East after chairman Yasir Al-Rumayyan flew in to attend Sunday's Premier League defeat against Tottenham - a plan 90min revealed on Thursday.

Let’s be honest, every single one would be a vast upgrade on the fat slug that currently occupies the dugout.

[The Prophet]

Are 90mim reliable?

[Super Duper Branko Strupar]

International cup and domestic league title winning manager Hernan Jorge Crespo is available...

 

 

Edited October 19, 2021 by Super Duper Branko Strupar

[jackyboy]

I think that the success of any signings, in the football sense, is greatly influenced by the manager. That was proved here with Schar, Fernandez and Lejune who proved to be excellent buys but who are now ditched or dropped by the current manager. Virtually every player has has got worse under Bruce

[KaKa]

2 minutes ago, jackyboy said:

I think that the success of any signings, in the football sense, is greatly influenced by the manager. That was proved here with Schar, Fernandez and Lejune who proved to be excellent buys but who are now ditched or dropped by the current manager. Virtually every player has has got worse under Bruce

 

Every single one man. It's incredible.

 

The only two that are performing are Wilson and ASM and you really have to wonder what on earth they would be capable of in a fully functioning team.

 

 

[Super Duper Branko Strupar]

Surely Gallardo has to be a consideration? Bout time he left River.

[Chicane]

At this point I'll take anyone who actually shows up for work and has the players training

[SUPERTOON]

50 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

Are 90mim reliable?

Not sure about them on the whole but that Bailey guy who wrote the article has always been considered decent for north east news I think 

[nufcjb]

31 minutes ago, KaKa said:

 

Every single one man. It's incredible.

 

The only two that are performing are Wilson and ASM and you really have to wonder what on earth they would be capable of in a fully functioning team.

 

 

I'm going to say Dubravka had a shit Euros was because of Bruce being here too. And more specifically, sorry but clangers are something related to Steve Harper also.

 

 

Edited October 19, 2021 by nufcjb

[lovejoy]

1 hour ago, nufcjb said:

I'm going to say Dubravka had a shit Euros was because of Bruce being here too. And more specifically, sorry but clangers are something related to Steve Harper also.

 

 

 

harper heads the academy, he doesn't coach the first team keepers

[The Prophet]

Is the Howe stuff just coming from the article in the Daily Mirror?

[SUPERTOON]

Favre the new favourite 

[Guest]

1 minute ago, SUPERTOON said:

Favre the new favourite 

Favrite.

[RUHRLYASLEEVESUP]

https://www.oddschecker.com/football/football-specials/newcastle/next-permanent-manager

[Rich]

Picture is from 2016.

[Ben]

Just now, Rich said:

Picture is from 2016.

Aye sorry, getting carried away 

[Dr Venkman]

Very wary of the argument that we need a defensive minded coach because we can’t defend. That’s the sort of reasoning that appoints Souness as a replacement for Bobby because the team needs ‘discipline’. Just appoint the best candidate.

[Thumbheed]

11 minutes ago, Dr Venkman said:

Very wary of the argument that we need a defensive minded coach because we can’t defend. That’s the sort of reasoning that appoints Souness as a replacement for Bobby because the team needs ‘discipline’. Just appoint the best candidate.

Aye, but Souness was a shit manager.