Dokko Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 Think .com have got it just about bang on tbh. If he leaves then he'll need to be replaced which presumably means a transfer fee and a substantial wage based on a 3 or 4 year contract. Why not just offer the (promising, young and local) lad a better deal and develop him. If he turns out to be a solid PL player then it's a win, if he doesn't develop quite as much he can be sold to a lower league for a decent fee which will compensate for his wages while we found out. It's the fact the club appear to be using his loyalty as a local lad and fan to lowball him a bit in the hope he'll sign. We've seen it time and again trying to sign players and now it's the same tactic to retain them too. £15k a week in the grand scheme of things is tiny, don't care how old he is. I'm guessing it would put him in the lowest 5% of PL players. Yeah but Klopp hasn’t bid for him so all that is irrelevant. Agreed. Not sure why KDT brought top class managers into it in the first place. He was clearly talking about if one came here and had chance to develop him (Working with that you’ve got) then there would be a greater chance to improve, you brought up others top class managers buying him, which I’ve still no idea why. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheInfiniteOdyssey Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 Be great when we sign Bentaleb for £7m and for a higher yearly wage than Matty even though he's shocking Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 It's an absolutely dense move to let him go, and a real shame for him that he might miss out on a very successful period for the club. That said, sure he'll have a great time in Italy and develop as a player. As always, we lose the most. If we get taken over and these Saudis are as serious as they sound about making us a force, Matty wouldn't be apart of it. Why not? If Bruce is peddled and a top class manager with a top class coaching staff comes in why wouldn't he be able to improve? He's a decent player. That's it. There's room for improvement for sure. Why aren't top class managers in for him now if he's available for buttons? Legally they weren’t allowed to speak to him until the start of this week. Foreign clubs can speak to players six months before their contract expires. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 Be great when we sign Bentaleb for £7m and for a higher yearly wage than Matty even though he's shocking Jesus, forgot he existed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judge Holden Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 Think .com have got it just about bang on tbh. If he leaves then he'll need to be replaced which presumably means a transfer fee and a substantial wage based on a 3 or 4 year contract. Why not just offer the (promising, young and local) lad a better deal and develop him. If he turns out to be a solid PL player then it's a win, if he doesn't develop quite as much he can be sold to a lower league for a decent fee which will compensate for his wages while we found out. It's the fact the club appear to be using his loyalty as a local lad and fan to lowball him a bit in the hope he'll sign. We've seen it time and again trying to sign players and now it's the same tactic to retain them too. £15k a week in the grand scheme of things is tiny, don't care how old he is. I'm guessing it would put him in the lowest 5% of PL players. Yeah but Klopp hasn’t bid for him so all that is irrelevant. Agreed. Not sure why KDT brought top class managers into it in the first place. He was clearly talking about if one came here and had chance to develop him (Working with that you’ve got) then there would be a greater chance to improve, you brought up others top class managers buying him, which I’ve still no idea why. If a top class manager came here it'd be because there was money to spend. And if so, then Matty - along with the rest of the squad - are very much replaceable. Matty is a decent player. There's room for improvement for sure (not sure why this opinion upsets you). We've offered him £15k a week which I don't think is an insulting offer for someone who's only started 6 league games. Udinese have doubled that, fair enough. If he wants to go there good luck to him. If & when this takeover goes through Matty Longstaff will be nowt more than a distant memory if we start chucking money about on much better players. It's really nothing to get upset over. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 If he can parlay that into a transfer to Juve in a few years followed by a late-career move to Botafogo, the third eye will open and the mysteries of the universe will be revealed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judge Holden Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 We've offered him 20k now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 If Udinese can afford 30k a week then surely we can? Even if he doesn't turn out that great, surely we could sell him on in a year to a championship club? I'm assuming that's the logic Udinese are using to offer him a 5 year contract. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny1403 Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 It's an absolutely dense move to let him go, and a real shame for him that he might miss out on a very successful period for the club. That said, sure he'll have a great time in Italy and develop as a player. As always, we lose the most. I doubt he’ll play a minute of football in Italy. Why do you think that? Udinese are basically the Italian Newcastle. A couple of decent European jaunts back in the day but otherwise firmly a mid-table club that flirt with relegation often. He's not going to struggle for minutes assuming he doesn't have a massive collapse in form (and I'm aware he hasn't really played enough for anyone to be sure of his ability). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 It's an absolutely dense move to let him go, and a real shame for him that he might miss out on a very successful period for the club. That said, sure he'll have a great time in Italy and develop as a player. As always, we lose the most. I doubt he’ll play a minute of football in Italy. Why do you think that? Udinese are basically the Italian Newcastle. A couple of decent European jaunts back in the day but otherwise firmly a mid-table club that flirt with relegation often. He's not going to struggle for minutes assuming he doesn't have a massive collapse in form (and I'm aware he hasn't really played enough for anyone to be sure of his ability). As I've already stated a couple of times he'll be loaned straight back to Watford and sold to them the season after. This is Watford gettibg around paying a bigger compo fee going English to English. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manxst Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 If Udinese can afford 30k a week then surely we can? Even if he doesn't turn out that great, surely we could sell him on in a year to a championship club? I'm assuming that's the logic Udinese are using to offer him a 5 year contract. Of course we CAN! The point is, that we won’t/aren’t! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happinesstan Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 I can afford a gender reassignment, doesn't mean I should have one. I could spend it on penis enlargement. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 I can afford a gender reassignment, doesn't mean I should have one. I could spend it on penis enlargement. You're a big enough penis as it is (was coming) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cubaricho Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 If he's smart and wants to advance his career he'll leave. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 Could go either way. He’ll either turn into a gem, or more likely in 7-8 years time we’ll see an interview in The Chronicle when he’s done nowt about how he regrets ever leaving Newcastle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 Its quite a weird situation in that who is actually negotiating with him? Charnley still? Surprised Ashley would bother sanctioning it if he's on the way out Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 He still lives with his mam, moving clubs would be a huge shock NM country. He doesn't want to leave. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 Its quite a weird situation in that who is actually negotiating with him? Charnley still? Surprised Ashley would bother sanctioning it if he's on the way out You'd think Ashley would just offer him what he wants if it's not gonna be his problem in a few weeks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
t00nraider Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 Its quite a weird situation in that who is actually negotiating with him? Charnley still? Surprised Ashley would bother sanctioning it if he's on the way out You'd think Ashley would just offer him what he wants if it's not gonna be his problem in a few weeks. Not really. Why would be bother if he's selling up? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raconteur Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 Its quite a weird situation in that who is actually negotiating with him? Charnley still? Surprised Ashley would bother sanctioning it if he's on the way out You'd think Ashley would just offer him what he wants if it's not gonna be his problem in a few weeks. One last eight-year contract? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 Its quite a weird situation in that who is actually negotiating with him? Charnley still? Surprised Ashley would bother sanctioning it if he's on the way out You'd think Ashley would just offer him what he wants if it's not gonna be his problem in a few weeks. One last eight-year contract? Exactly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 Its quite a weird situation in that who is actually negotiating with him? Charnley still? Surprised Ashley would bother sanctioning it if he's on the way out You'd think Ashley would just offer him what he wants if it's not gonna be his problem in a few weeks. One last eight-year contract? Exactly. Suspect there has been a freeze in expenditure above £x Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinho lad Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 If he's on £800 per month, £20k would surely do. Journalist speculating, I suspect. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjohnson Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 If he's on £800 per month, £20k would surely do. Journalist speculating, I suspect. Probably would if there wasn't a £30K offer sitting there Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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