Guest Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 it's not even comparable though, such backward logic from the club. i'd be paying him just about what he wants because he's a proper talent and he should be staying at his hometown club. but if we're owned by MA and he's got a chance to go abroad and do it for himself, good on him. no grudge at all with Matty. Not saying I agree with it. Just saying given how tight we are anyway I bet they offer lower salaries with higher bonuses given what happened to the last few highly rated youngsters we tied down long term. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judge Holden Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 It's an absolutely dense move to let him go, and a real shame for him that he might miss out on a very successful period for the club. That said, sure he'll have a great time in Italy and develop as a player. As always, we lose the most. If we get taken over and these Saudis are as serious as they sound about making us a force, Matty wouldn't be apart of it. Why not? If Bruce is peddled and a top class manager with a top class coaching staff comes in why wouldn't he be able to improve? He's a decent player. That's it. There's room for improvement for sure. Why aren't top class managers in for him now if he's available for buttons? Legally they weren’t allowed to speak to him until the start of this week. So should we expect top class managers to be in for him soon then? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 It's an absolutely dense move to let him go, and a real shame for him that he might miss out on a very successful period for the club. That said, sure he'll have a great time in Italy and develop as a player. As always, we lose the most. If we get taken over and these Saudis are as serious as they sound about making us a force, Matty wouldn't be apart of it. Why not? If Bruce is peddled and a top class manager with a top class coaching staff comes in why wouldn't he be able to improve? He's a decent player. That's it. There's room for improvement for sure. Why aren't top class managers in for him now if he's available for buttons? Legally they weren’t allowed to speak to him until the start of this week. So should we expect top class managers to be in for him soon then? Go and ask them, I don’t speak for them, simply pointing out facts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judge Holden Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 It's an absolutely dense move to let him go, and a real shame for him that he might miss out on a very successful period for the club. That said, sure he'll have a great time in Italy and develop as a player. As always, we lose the most. If we get taken over and these Saudis are as serious as they sound about making us a force, Matty wouldn't be apart of it. Why not? If Bruce is peddled and a top class manager with a top class coaching staff comes in why wouldn't he be able to improve? He's a decent player. That's it. There's room for improvement for sure. Why aren't top class managers in for him now if he's available for buttons? Legally they weren’t allowed to speak to him until the start of this week. So should we expect top class managers to be in for him soon then? Go and ask them, I don’t speak for them, simply pointing out facts. Which top class ones should I ask? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 I don't feel particularly strongly either way about his current ability, but I don't think there is a decent argument that supports not giving him a competitive wage which matches his potential. The point about new owners changes nothing; let's say the Saudis come in and invest to the extent that the Longstaffs don't get a look in; does that mean we bin off our academy prospects for nothing? How is that sustainable? Have Man City binned their academy? No, they've invested in it, and presumably have a bona fide regime that means they get some return out of their developing assets, even if it's economical rather than on the pitch itself. It's just a brainless move with absolutely no justification that it benefits us in any way, shape or form. And it's exactly like Rafa, by the way, though obviously with less impact. I bet Rafa wouldn't have demanded the Chinese's wage offer from NUFC in order to stay here; just like I bet Matty wouldn't demand the £30,000 that Udinese are putting on the table. But a competitive offer would be a good place to start, like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 Think .com have got it just about bang on tbh. If he leaves then he'll need to be replaced which presumably means a transfer fee and a substantial wage based on a 3 or 4 year contract. Why not just offer the (promising, young and local) lad a better deal and develop him. If he turns out to be a solid PL player then it's a win, if he doesn't develop quite as much he can be sold to a lower league for a decent fee which will compensate for his wages while we found out. It's the fact the club appear to be using his loyalty as a local lad and fan to lowball him a bit in the hope he'll sign. We've seen it time and again trying to sign players and now it's the same tactic to retain them too. £15k a week in the grand scheme of things is tiny, don't care how old he is. I'm guessing it would put him in the lowest 5% of PL players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 It's an absolutely dense move to let him go, and a real shame for him that he might miss out on a very successful period for the club. That said, sure he'll have a great time in Italy and develop as a player. As always, we lose the most. If we get taken over and these Saudis are as serious as they sound about making us a force, Matty wouldn't be apart of it. Why not? If Bruce is peddled and a top class manager with a top class coaching staff comes in why wouldn't he be able to improve? He's a decent player. That's it. There's room for improvement for sure. Why aren't top class managers in for him now if he's available for buttons? Legally they weren’t allowed to speak to him until the start of this week. So should we expect top class managers to be in for him soon then? Go and ask them, I don’t speak for them, simply pointing out facts. Which top class ones should I ask? Any you like. Start at A. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 Think .com have got it just about bang on tbh. If he leaves then he'll need to be replaced which presumably means a transfer fee and a substantial wage based on a 3 or 4 year contract. Why not just offer the (promising, young and local) lad a better deal and develop him. If he turns out to be a solid PL player then it's a win, if he doesn't develop quite as much he can be sold to a lower league for a decent fee which will compensate for his wages while we found out. It's the fact the club appear to be using his loyalty as a local lad and fan to lowball him a bit in the hope he'll sign. We've seen it time and again trying to sign players and now it's the same tactic to retain them too. £15k a week in the grand scheme of things is tiny, don't care how old he is. I'm guessing it would put him in the lowest 5% of PL players. Yeah but Klopp hasn’t bid for him so all that is irrelevant. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judge Holden Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 Think .com have got it just about bang on tbh. If he leaves then he'll need to be replaced which presumably means a transfer fee and a substantial wage based on a 3 or 4 year contract. Why not just offer the (promising, young and local) lad a better deal and develop him. If he turns out to be a solid PL player then it's a win, if he doesn't develop quite as much he can be sold to a lower league for a decent fee which will compensate for his wages while we found out. It's the fact the club appear to be using his loyalty as a local lad and fan to lowball him a bit in the hope he'll sign. We've seen it time and again trying to sign players and now it's the same tactic to retain them too. £15k a week in the grand scheme of things is tiny, don't care how old he is. I'm guessing it would put him in the lowest 5% of PL players. Yeah but Klopp hasn’t bid for him so all that is irrelevant. Agreed. Not sure why KDT brought top class managers into it in the first place. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 Think .com have got it just about bang on tbh. If he leaves then he'll need to be replaced which presumably means a transfer fee and a substantial wage based on a 3 or 4 year contract. Why not just offer the (promising, young and local) lad a better deal and develop him. If he turns out to be a solid PL player then it's a win, if he doesn't develop quite as much he can be sold to a lower league for a decent fee which will compensate for his wages while we found out. It's the fact the club appear to be using his loyalty as a local lad and fan to lowball him a bit in the hope he'll sign. We've seen it time and again trying to sign players and now it's the same tactic to retain them too. £15k a week in the grand scheme of things is tiny, don't care how old he is. I'm guessing it would put him in the lowest 5% of PL players. Yeah but Klopp hasn’t bid for him so all that is irrelevant. Agreed. Not sure why KDT brought top class managers into it in the first place. He was clearly talking about if one came here and had chance to develop him (Working with that you’ve got) then there would be a greater chance to improve, you brought up others top class managers buying him, which I’ve still no idea why. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheInfiniteOdyssey Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 Be great when we sign Bentaleb for £7m and for a higher yearly wage than Matty even though he's shocking Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 It's an absolutely dense move to let him go, and a real shame for him that he might miss out on a very successful period for the club. That said, sure he'll have a great time in Italy and develop as a player. As always, we lose the most. If we get taken over and these Saudis are as serious as they sound about making us a force, Matty wouldn't be apart of it. Why not? If Bruce is peddled and a top class manager with a top class coaching staff comes in why wouldn't he be able to improve? He's a decent player. That's it. There's room for improvement for sure. Why aren't top class managers in for him now if he's available for buttons? Legally they weren’t allowed to speak to him until the start of this week. Foreign clubs can speak to players six months before their contract expires. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 Be great when we sign Bentaleb for £7m and for a higher yearly wage than Matty even though he's shocking Jesus, forgot he existed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judge Holden Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 Think .com have got it just about bang on tbh. If he leaves then he'll need to be replaced which presumably means a transfer fee and a substantial wage based on a 3 or 4 year contract. Why not just offer the (promising, young and local) lad a better deal and develop him. If he turns out to be a solid PL player then it's a win, if he doesn't develop quite as much he can be sold to a lower league for a decent fee which will compensate for his wages while we found out. It's the fact the club appear to be using his loyalty as a local lad and fan to lowball him a bit in the hope he'll sign. We've seen it time and again trying to sign players and now it's the same tactic to retain them too. £15k a week in the grand scheme of things is tiny, don't care how old he is. I'm guessing it would put him in the lowest 5% of PL players. Yeah but Klopp hasn’t bid for him so all that is irrelevant. Agreed. Not sure why KDT brought top class managers into it in the first place. He was clearly talking about if one came here and had chance to develop him (Working with that you’ve got) then there would be a greater chance to improve, you brought up others top class managers buying him, which I’ve still no idea why. If a top class manager came here it'd be because there was money to spend. And if so, then Matty - along with the rest of the squad - are very much replaceable. Matty is a decent player. There's room for improvement for sure (not sure why this opinion upsets you). We've offered him £15k a week which I don't think is an insulting offer for someone who's only started 6 league games. Udinese have doubled that, fair enough. If he wants to go there good luck to him. If & when this takeover goes through Matty Longstaff will be nowt more than a distant memory if we start chucking money about on much better players. It's really nothing to get upset over. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 If he can parlay that into a transfer to Juve in a few years followed by a late-career move to Botafogo, the third eye will open and the mysteries of the universe will be revealed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judge Holden Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 We've offered him 20k now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 If Udinese can afford 30k a week then surely we can? Even if he doesn't turn out that great, surely we could sell him on in a year to a championship club? I'm assuming that's the logic Udinese are using to offer him a 5 year contract. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny1403 Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 It's an absolutely dense move to let him go, and a real shame for him that he might miss out on a very successful period for the club. That said, sure he'll have a great time in Italy and develop as a player. As always, we lose the most. I doubt he’ll play a minute of football in Italy. Why do you think that? Udinese are basically the Italian Newcastle. A couple of decent European jaunts back in the day but otherwise firmly a mid-table club that flirt with relegation often. He's not going to struggle for minutes assuming he doesn't have a massive collapse in form (and I'm aware he hasn't really played enough for anyone to be sure of his ability). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 It's an absolutely dense move to let him go, and a real shame for him that he might miss out on a very successful period for the club. That said, sure he'll have a great time in Italy and develop as a player. As always, we lose the most. I doubt he’ll play a minute of football in Italy. Why do you think that? Udinese are basically the Italian Newcastle. A couple of decent European jaunts back in the day but otherwise firmly a mid-table club that flirt with relegation often. He's not going to struggle for minutes assuming he doesn't have a massive collapse in form (and I'm aware he hasn't really played enough for anyone to be sure of his ability). As I've already stated a couple of times he'll be loaned straight back to Watford and sold to them the season after. This is Watford gettibg around paying a bigger compo fee going English to English. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manxst Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 If Udinese can afford 30k a week then surely we can? Even if he doesn't turn out that great, surely we could sell him on in a year to a championship club? I'm assuming that's the logic Udinese are using to offer him a 5 year contract. Of course we CAN! The point is, that we won’t/aren’t! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happinesstan Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 I can afford a gender reassignment, doesn't mean I should have one. I could spend it on penis enlargement. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 I can afford a gender reassignment, doesn't mean I should have one. I could spend it on penis enlargement. You're a big enough penis as it is (was coming) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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cubaricho Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 If he's smart and wants to advance his career he'll leave. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 Could go either way. He’ll either turn into a gem, or more likely in 7-8 years time we’ll see an interview in The Chronicle when he’s done nowt about how he regrets ever leaving Newcastle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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